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    Cutting - Burn fat, perserve mass, while on Test E

    I'm currently at about 15% BF, goal is to cut down to 10%. I'm 6'0 about 200lbs atm. I'm afraid I might start losing too much muscle, but tell me if this looks good.

    Meal 1 - 2 Scoops Whey (220 Calories), 2 Scoops oats (240 Calories), 400ml 1% Milk (200 calories) - Total (660 Calories)

    Meal 2 - 2 Whole eggs and 8 egg whites(250 cal) with PB Sandwich(400 cal) - Total (650 calories)

    Meal 3 - 2 Scoop oats (240 calories) 2 Chicken breasts (Idk calories) - Total idk

    Meal 4 - 2 Scoops whey with water (post trainning) (total 220 calories)

    Meal 5 - 2 Whole eggs and 8 egg whites - 250 calories

    Meal 6 - 2 Scoops whey with water ( 220 calories)

    Total:

    Protein: 280-300g
    Carbs (Complex only) - 120g
    Calories - Approx 2500

    Maintenance is about 3500, so I'm eating about 1000 under. Am I gonna lose muscle during the process if I follow this diet?

    I eat 3 carb meals pre trainning, and once I'm done trainning I completely cut out carbs.

    I train 5 times a week. I'm not doing any cardio, so keep that in mind, just weight trainning. I'm definetly consuming enough protein, I know calories are required in order to build muscle, but as long as my protein intake is adequate and calories are low will I start Losing muscle?

    Bottom line is, I'm just eating very clean with lots of protein. I'm taking 3 fish oil gels a day and I get plenty of Omega 3 fatty acids from my eggs. I'm not doing keto, because I believe trainning without carbs = fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayacrucis View Post
    I'm currently at about 15% BF, goal is to cut down to 10%. I'm 6'0 about 200lbs atm. I'm afraid I might start losing too much muscle, but tell me if this looks good.

    Meal 1 - 2 Scoops Whey (220 Calories), 2 Scoops oats (240 Calories), 400ml 1% Milk (200 calories) - Total (660 Calories) No milk. Use water and use 1 measured cup of oats (300 cal, 50 carb)

    Meal 2 - 2 Whole eggs and 8 egg whites(250 cal) with PB Sandwich(400 cal) - Total (650 calories) No PB sandwich. Have more oats, 1 cup.

    Meal 3 - 2 Scoop oats (240 calories) 2 Chicken breasts (Idk calories) - Total idk Fitday.com - calculate it. You won't look the way you want on loose estimates. 8 oz. grilled chicken and either 1 large sweet potato or 1 cup brown rice.

    Meal 4 - 2 Scoops whey with water (post trainning) (total 220 calories) add 1/2 cup oats.

    Meal 5 - 2 Whole eggs and 8 egg whites - 250 calories Try to incorporate some beef into your diet. 8 oz. lean ground beef w/ 2 cups green vegetables in 1 tbspn. EVOO would be the best meal for this time of day. Chicken or fish would be better as well.

    Meal 6 - 2 Scoops whey with water ( 220 calories) Invest in some casein powder. 2 scoops with 2 tbspn. natty PB

    Total:

    Protein: 280-300g
    Carbs (Complex only) - 120g
    Calories - Approx 2500

    Maintenance is about 3500, so I'm eating about 1000 under. Am I gonna lose muscle during the process if I follow this diet? Yes, I'll get into this below.

    I eat 3 carb meals pre trainning, and once I'm done trainning I completely cut out carbs. Yeah, this is a decent tactic, however, as instructed above - you'd benefit from using some in your PWO shake. If you don't wanna do that, use 2 tbspn. natty PB and do pro/fat instead.

    I train 5 times a week. I'm not doing any cardio, so keep that in mind, just weight trainning. I'm definetly consuming enough protein, I know calories are required in order to build muscle, but as long as my protein intake is adequate and calories are low will I start Losing muscle? Yes. a 1000 calorie deficit via diet alone is too much. Adequate protein intake is only 1 part of the equation. Since protein isn't really a viable energy source (building material only) for the body to use and you need to maintain a strong carb/fat (fuel) intake to prevent from eating yourself for energy. There's more to it, but that's a one-sentence explanation.

    Bottom line is, I'm just eating very clean with lots of protein. I'm taking 3 fish oil gels a day and I get plenty of Omega 3 fatty acids from my eggs. I'm not doing keto, because I believe trainning without carbs = fail.
    Make the changes to your diet and use fitday.com for accurate macros. Start doing low-intensity cardio for 45 minutes 3-5 times per week and eat at 300 below maintenance only. You'll be cutting fast and will probably be able to maintain. If you refuse to do cardio; you're cheating yourself but you'll still need to eat more. 700 back of TDEE at very most and I wouldn't recommend that.

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    Also, would you please include the time of your meals for me? We're going to need to add at least 1 clean whole food meal, so I'd like to evaluate options for when.

    Everyone is in such a hurry to cut, especially this time of year. But I can say from experience; you simply don't look as good when you aren't able to continue getting at least a bit stronger. Don't waste your hard work in the gym by depriving your body, just add in a little extra on the treadmill and feed your body what it needs to stay looking thick/strong. 10 weeks until June is plenty of time to cut from 15% - you're not doing a BB contest or anything.
    Last edited by Damienm05; 03-17-2010 at 07:55 PM.

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    I start up my day at around 9. The interval between each meal is about 2 hours and a half. Except in the morning, once I have my Protein shake, I take in the eggs about an hour and a half later. I cannot stand doing cardio, it just does not work for me. I'd rather work on my diet. Lets assume I incorporate 2 TB of natty PB during my PWO and one 2 more before I sleep. This will add approx 400 more calories to my diet, with that being I'll be at a 600 cal defict, without cardio, would this work?

    As for the beef suggestion, I sometimes eat extra lean groundbeef instead of one egg meal or instead of the chicken.


    A couple of questions:

    What is so bad about milk, if its skim milk?

    why do I need to take in some sort of fat before I sleep?
    Last edited by Wayacrucis; 03-17-2010 at 11:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayacrucis View Post
    I start up my day at around 9. The interval between each meal is about 2 hours and a half. Except in the morning, once I have my Protein shake, I take in the eggs about an hour and a half later. I cannot stand doing cardio, it just does not work for me. I'd rather work on my diet. Lets assume I incorporate 2 TB of natty PB during my PWO and one 2 more before I sleep. This will add approx 400 more calories to my diet, with that being I'll be at a 600 cal defict, without cardio, would this work?

    As for the beef suggestion, I sometimes eat extra lean groundbeef instead of one egg meal or instead of the chicken.


    A couple of questions:

    What is so bad about milk, if its skim milk?

    why do I need to take in some sort of fat before I sleep?

    Yeah, I'd still want to see your macros laid out for each meal to make sure you're on point. But that would work. 600 is fine provided you understand you won't be able to gain really, even on test.

    It's not so bad but I personally don't believe humans are meant to consume another anima'ls milk. We lack the digestive enzymes to break it down as they do, it's high in sugar, and can largely contribute to bloating and diminished vascularity.

    EFA's slow digestion and have many health benefits in general. Since you're not eating carbs before bed obviously, fats are the alternative.

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