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    Total diet makeover (help badly needed)

    Hey, havent been on here in a good while but since im near finished college for the summer and will be able to hit the gym constant all summer i decided i needed to get this diet in check.

    Iv been training for about 3 years, last summer i got good compliments about the size i had put on, and i was pretty happy with my size. But since going back to college, what with friends not being big into the gym and you know the way college life can be, my training has actually been dreadful (pains me to say it). and now i feel as though my body is actualy not in great shape, my diet is horrible.

    I feel its pointless in posting up my current diet so i was going to post up my new planned diet, im a fussy eater, salads etc i dont fancy but im willing to do anything now.

    Iv watched all the vid's before but i was hoping some of you could get me started on a good diet for gaining muscle but i want it to be lean muscle as i feel i need to tone up a bit aswel.

    Im 5ft 10, around 188lbs and i would imagine around 12 - 14/15% body fat. I will also be posting up my workout in that section later this evening to get that in check. I would really appreciate the help as i know there are some good guys on here for help

    Speak soon
    Thanks

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    OK so i decided to write down was i could possibly be eating on a daily basis, its rough but might help some more.

    Breakfast
    Porridge and banana

    12-2
    4 Egg whites and apple

    2-4 pre workout
    2 chicken breasts/how does chicken out of a packet you can buy in the shop sound?

    Before training i have muscle attack or no xplode (feel free to suggest different)

    After trainng
    Whey maxx protein shake and banana

    Dinner
    Steak/Beef/chicken, with some veg and potatoes

    8-9pm
    Not sure what i should have here

    Feel free to rip the crap outta this, i really hope somebody takes a special interest in this

    Thanks again

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    really needs work my man. to grow you neeeeeeed more food than that and definatley more protein. im no expert on the dieting but heres a little help.

    your breakfast is just carbs really have your eggs for breakfast and up them to 6 eggs. if you dont want this every day put a scoop of your protein powder in that porridge but dont do that everyday.
    And i hope by chicken out of the packet you dont mean that mechanically recovered crap thats pumped full of water and starch that is a no goooooo!
    between 8-9 i suggest you stay away from carbs because ive read your other thread and know you want to get them abs showing so maybe cottage cheese or a tin of tuna, i usually eat high protein low fat and low carbs before bed.
    also u thought about using creatine monohydrate?? it can really help.

    id suggest you stick around and do AAALOOOTTT of reading in the diet section. good luck mate

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    Cheers mate for all your help, its great that somebody has taken an interest!! ya i know, alot of work and dedication is going to be needed! iv read some of your threads and your cutting thread, your looking in good shape no man, im not near that right now but sure am going to do my very best to do so!! i also know il get sick of eggs every morning but il do it as long as the results are good, gonna work on the diet more!! u dont have a sample of your diet anywhere? if not dont worry i still gonna work on this diet

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    eggs reeaaaally do get boring but just adding tht sccop of protein to the porridge makes it alot better but like i say not all the time.

    this is what i ate yesterday just to give you a rough idea

    meal 1) 6 eggs scrambled (1 whole 5 whites) 1 banana
    meal 2) 100g prawns (in a tray bought from a supermarket on the way to work) whey protein shake
    meal 3) 2 medium chicken breasts 1 large sweet potatoe, veggies
    meal 4) whey protein shake and peanut butter sandwhich (wholeweat bread)
    meal 5) large salmon fillet, brown rice and veggies
    meal 6) caesin protein shake

    throught the day if i get hungry whilst working i snack on brazil nuts but remeber they are high in fat so be careful if your snakcing on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneejoe View Post
    Hey, havent been on here in a good while but since im near finished college for the summer and will be able to hit the gym constant all summer i decided i needed to get this diet in check.

    Iv been training for about 3 years, last summer i got good compliments about the size i had put on, and i was pretty happy with my size. But since going back to college, what with friends not being big into the gym and you know the way college life can be, my training has actually been dreadful (pains me to say it). and now i feel as though my body is actualy not in great shape, my diet is horrible.

    I feel its pointless in posting up my current diet so i was going to post up my new planned diet, im a fussy eater, salads etc i dont fancy but im willing to do anything now.

    Iv watched all the vid's before but i was hoping some of you could get me started on a good diet for gaining muscle but i want it to be lean muscle as i feel i need to tone up a bit aswel.

    Im 5ft 10, around 188lbs and i would imagine around 12 - 14/15% body fat. I will also be posting up my workout in that section later this evening to get that in check. I would really appreciate the help as i know there are some good guys on here for help

    Speak soon
    Thanks
    You will get more responses if you do a little bit of work and calculate your TDEE as well as macros for your meals. Get this info posted up here and you will start getting better help.

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    Alright bud, below is a list of the foods you'll need to be eating to achieve your goals. Also included are the foods you should keep out of your diet. You should have at least 5 meals throughout the day. Eat carbs only when needed for energy if the goal is to cut body fat. For example, breakfast, pre-workout, and post-workout meals should all contain 40g or so of complex carbohydrates. All meals should have 30-40g of lean protein. Limit fat to your late meals that don't contain carbs as an alternative energy source. Of course, you'll still need to figure out your BMR and TDEE to know exactly how many calories you should be consuming but the foods you eat are everything.


    Interchangeable lean protein sources:


    The goal is to eat lean protein. Meats/other sources low in fat/carbs.

    Ground beef (93% lean or better)
    Lean steak (Flank, flat iron, or top sirloin)
    Bison sirloin (the highest quality red meat)
    Chicken breast
    Turkey breast
    Tuna (canned or sushi grade)
    Salmon
    Tilapia (mostly all white fish)
    All shellfish
    Venison
    Whey protein (post-workout recovery purposes only)
    Casein/Cottage cheese (before bed only)

    Black-list protein:

    Bacon
    Sausage
    Expensive fat-marbled Steaks (Ribeye, Strip, Filet)
    Pork and beef ribs
    Pork/Lamb chops
    Restaurant ground beef (80/20 fat – most burgers)
    Duck
    Chicken legs/thighs
    Chicken skin
    Cheese

    Interchangeable complex carbohydrates:

    Complex carbs are now your creed. These are slower-digesting, natural, low on the glycemic index carbohydrates that digest slowly and provide us with sustained energy. They do not drastically affect our blood sugar and do not cause insulin spikes. Thus our body sees no reason to store them as fat, it would rather burn them for energy. Simple carbs such as enriched white breads/pastas/rice/potatoes/sugars (including most fruit) cause insulin spikes and are high GI foods. They should not be eaten when on a strict diet. Fruit can be consumed early in the day or pre/post-workout because of it’s high nutritional value but should usually be avoided due to being a form of simple sugar. Remember, healthy, low-calorie foods aren’t always the correct foods and such is the case with fruit.

    Oats/Oatmeal
    Grits/Cornmeal
    Unsalted/non-buttered popcorn (great, low-cal snack)
    Sweet potato (the best choice)
    Butternut squash
    Whole wheat pasta (not enriched)
    Organic whole wheat bread (not enriched wonder bread crap)
    Brown rice
    Ezekiel bread
    Swedish grain bread
    Gluten free bread
    Wheat couscous
    Corn
    Quinoa
    Lentils
    Beans
    Many more, look up the GI (glycemic index) for healthy choices

    Black-list carbohydrates:

    White pasta
    White Potatoes
    White bread
    Baguette
    Bagels
    Cookies, cake, muffins, cupcakes, all sweets basically.
    White couscous
    White rice
    You get the idea…

    Interchangeable fat sources:

    We look for fat sources that are high in omega-3, 6, and 9 fatty acids. Also, many are high in protein. We do not want saturated fats such as butter, cream, meat fat. We don’t want test tube fats like trans (the worst). We want mono/polyunsaturated fats that our body can use for something other than calories. Remember, even good fats are high in calories.

    Natural peanut butter (no sugar added, just roasted peanuts)
    Natural almond butter
    Cashews
    Almonds
    Peanuts
    Flax seeds/oil
    Salmon and Trout (great fatty proteins)
    Fish oil
    Extra virgin olive oil (should be used on all veggies/salads)
    Chia seeds
    Grapeseed oil
    Macadamia nut oil
    Udo's oil
    Walnut oil
    Sunflower seeds/oil

    Acceptable miscellaneous foods
    :

    These foods don’t provide much as far as macronutrients but are great for adding vitamins/minerals and taste. Notice some of these other foods are dairy. Dairy is another animal’s milk. We lack the enzymes to digest it as they do and it’s high in fat/sugar. It should only be eaten early in the day for nutrient purposes with the exception of whey and casein (cottage cheese).

    Skim milk (Hood brand is only 45 calories and 3g of sugar per cup)
    Greek yogurt (no sugar added)
    Berries (all berries are much lower in sugar than other fruits and packed with fiber/nutrients – eat berries)
    Green Vegetables. These are technically carbs but they are packed with fiber (a type of carb that isn’t used as energy or stored). In bodybuilding/nutrition – we refer to most vegetables as fibrous carbohydrates. While a serving of Broccoli may have 6g of carbs, 5 are from fiber. Meaning that it contains only 1g of storable carbohydrates. In addition, green vegetables are a calorie neutral/negative food (our body uses more calories to digest them than they contain – think celery). Veggies should be eaten with every meal. Every day. If you do this, you can become almost impervious to getting sick. Some vegetables are better than others for healthy diets.
    Many non-green vegetables. Most are fine – just check labels, some have a good bit of sugar and should be eaten in moderation only (carrots)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damienm05 View Post
    Alright bud, below is a list of the foods you'll need to be eating to achieve your goals. Also included are the foods you should keep out of your diet. You should have at least 5 meals throughout the day. Eat carbs only when needed for energy if the goal is to cut body fat. For example, breakfast, pre-workout, and post-workout meals should all contain 40g or so of complex carbohydrates. All meals should have 30-40g of lean protein. Limit fat to your late meals that don't contain carbs as an alternative energy source. Of course, you'll still need to figure out your BMR and TDEE to know exactly how many calories you should be consuming but the foods you eat are everything.


    Interchangeable lean protein sources:


    The goal is to eat lean protein. Meats/other sources low in fat/carbs.

    Ground beef (93% lean or better)
    Lean steak (Flank, flat iron, or top sirloin)
    Bison sirloin (the highest quality red meat)
    Chicken breast
    Turkey breast
    Tuna (canned or sushi grade)
    Salmon
    Tilapia (mostly all white fish)
    All shellfish
    Venison
    Whey protein (post-workout recovery purposes only)
    Casein/Cottage cheese (before bed only)

    Black-list protein:

    Bacon
    Sausage
    Expensive fat-marbled Steaks (Ribeye, Strip, Filet)
    Pork and beef ribs
    Pork/Lamb chops
    Restaurant ground beef (80/20 fat – most burgers)
    Duck
    Chicken legs/thighs
    Chicken skin
    Cheese

    Interchangeable complex carbohydrates:

    Complex carbs are now your creed. These are slower-digesting, natural, low on the glycemic index carbohydrates that digest slowly and provide us with sustained energy. They do not drastically affect our blood sugar and do not cause insulin spikes. Thus our body sees no reason to store them as fat, it would rather burn them for energy. Simple carbs such as enriched white breads/pastas/rice/potatoes/sugars (including most fruit) cause insulin spikes and are high GI foods. They should not be eaten when on a strict diet. Fruit can be consumed early in the day or pre/post-workout because of it’s high nutritional value but should usually be avoided due to being a form of simple sugar. Remember, healthy, low-calorie foods aren’t always the correct foods and such is the case with fruit.

    Oats/Oatmeal
    Grits/Cornmeal
    Unsalted/non-buttered popcorn (great, low-cal snack)
    Sweet potato (the best choice)
    Butternut squash
    Whole wheat pasta (not enriched)
    Organic whole wheat bread (not enriched wonder bread crap)
    Brown rice
    Ezekiel bread
    Swedish grain bread
    Gluten free bread
    Wheat couscous
    Corn
    Quinoa
    Lentils
    Beans
    Many more, look up the GI (glycemic index) for healthy choices

    Black-list carbohydrates:

    White pasta
    White Potatoes
    White bread
    Baguette
    Bagels
    Cookies, cake, muffins, cupcakes, all sweets basically.
    White couscous
    White rice
    You get the idea…

    Interchangeable fat sources:

    We look for fat sources that are high in omega-3, 6, and 9 fatty acids. Also, many are high in protein. We do not want saturated fats such as butter, cream, meat fat. We don’t want test tube fats like trans (the worst). We want mono/polyunsaturated fats that our body can use for something other than calories. Remember, even good fats are high in calories.

    Natural peanut butter (no sugar added, just roasted peanuts)
    Natural almond butter
    Cashews
    Almonds
    Peanuts
    Flax seeds/oil
    Salmon and Trout (great fatty proteins)
    Fish oil
    Extra virgin olive oil (should be used on all veggies/salads)
    Chia seeds
    Grapeseed oil
    Macadamia nut oil
    Udo's oil
    Walnut oil
    Sunflower seeds/oil

    Acceptable miscellaneous foods
    :

    These foods don’t provide much as far as macronutrients but are great for adding vitamins/minerals and taste. Notice some of these other foods are dairy. Dairy is another animal’s milk. We lack the enzymes to digest it as they do and it’s high in fat/sugar. It should only be eaten early in the day for nutrient purposes with the exception of whey and casein (cottage cheese).

    Skim milk (Hood brand is only 45 calories and 3g of sugar per cup)
    Greek yogurt (no sugar added)
    Berries (all berries are much lower in sugar than other fruits and packed with fiber/nutrients – eat berries)
    Green Vegetables. These are technically carbs but they are packed with fiber (a type of carb that isn’t used as energy or stored). In bodybuilding/nutrition – we refer to most vegetables as fibrous carbohydrates. While a serving of Broccoli may have 6g of carbs, 5 are from fiber. Meaning that it contains only 1g of storable carbohydrates. In addition, green vegetables are a calorie neutral/negative food (our body uses more calories to digest them than they contain – think celery). Veggies should be eaten with every meal. Every day. If you do this, you can become almost impervious to getting sick. Some vegetables are better than others for healthy diets.
    Many non-green vegetables. Most are fine – just check labels, some have a good bit of sugar and should be eaten in moderation only (carrots)
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    greaaaat Post definatley read that over a few times mate!

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    Wow guys thanks so much for this help, im definately printing this off and using it in my diet plan!!

    so let me get this straight enough

    1st meal - protein shake and porrdge

    2nd - 4-6 Egg whites

    3rd - 2 chcken breasts and some veg

    4th - Peanut butter sandwich and protein shake after or before training?

    5th - Steak or another protein source with brown pasta/rice or sweet ptoato and veg

    6th - Shake?

    Where in this would my training fit in? somehow i feel this still wont be enough food but i can work on that, just wondering how my balance is looking

    My protein right now is whey maxx protein, which i wouldnt feel super about taking 3times a day as it might be a bit 2 fattening? i would feel that the 4th meal would come straight after training?

    great posts friends

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    Please don't use protein shake and porridge all the time I only suggested that for when eggs become reaaaaaalllly boring.
    I suggest you invest in some casein protein and have a shake once a day before bed, or some cottage cheese. Whey protein is generally best used for recovery straight after gym.

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    No problem man!! tommorow is the day i start the new plan, looking forward to it (not all the cooking though). had my last crap day of eating for a long time and took some pics so i keep up the morale going through!! cardio tommorow because iv got football and might hit the gym after though sometimes thats hard!! also got a college party wednesday so thatl mess things up for a day but what can ya do!! il be keeping my workout thread up to date with my training

    Cheers for all the help lads

    Chat soon

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    yeah i know what ye mean about hitting gym after football because i have the same issue with rugby i do my best to find time to get in the gym before. also i do have 1 mayybbbbeee 2 cheat meals a week to keep the mind happy and if i do go out drinking i count that as a cheat but aslong as your diet is in check apart from that and your doing enough cardio and weights you should be ok. afterall your not trying to be a competition body builder here right just to get in shape and still have a fun lifestyle. all the best mate

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    Just for anyone else reading this thread, do you think my diet looks to be coming along ok? remember this is for a guy who wants to lose bodyfat but also still gain size on arms etc!! cheers

    Breakfast 4-6 egg whites on their own (boiled)

    Next: 1 chicken breast (i know their should be something else here) and protein shake

    Next: Peanut Butter sandwich, bannana

    WORKOUT

    Next: Whey protein shale (2scoops)

    Next: Steak/Fish/Chicken etc with sweet potatoes and some veg

    Before bed: Casein Protein shake (havent received it yet)

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