Myoplex

[garythompson]

Are the myoplex drinks junk or what? I don't plan to replace a meal with them but to suppliments the post work out meal with one on the way home. I can get them cheap and thought they may be worth trying.

[RED26]

They're not junk. But you need to take them with WATER, not milk, and throw more carbohydrates in them, because the quantity they have is not enough.
We're talking about each packet having 40g of protein and 20g of carbs.
You'll need another extra 60 carbs minimum of high GI if it's your PWO meal.

[garythompson]

i was actually talking about the drinks. but I thought spiking insulin levels pwo was old school and didn't work as good as the hype.

[gbrice75]

They're not junk. But you need to take them with WATER, not milk, and throw more carbohydrates in them, because the quantity they have is not enough.
We're talking about each packet having 40g of protein and 20g of carbs.
You'll need another extra 60 carbs minimum of high GI if it's your PWO meal.

If you're suggesting he have hi gi carbs PWO with his shake, why can't he mix it with milk?

[RED26]

i was actually talking about the drinks. but I thought spiking insulin levels pwo was old school and didn't work as good as the hype.

Old school? Then what about most big guys using slin PWO?
Of course it works, and works excellent.

If you're suggesting he have hi gi carbs PWO with his shake, why can't he mix it with milk?

Milk is not a high GI food. Lactose slows digestion.

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

myoplex is a Grade A potien, a friend of mine has a lab and testing machines and when he did the test in it, everything they had on the label was there plus two more grams of aminos.

[garythompson]

where can i get some slin! lol
I sometimes add dextrose to my shakes pwo but some reading I did said spiking insulin levels didn't really work...

[gbrice75]

Milk is not a high GI food. Lactose slows digestion.

Alot of people on this board would debate that. I personally started out believing (and still do) what you stated above - while lactose is a sugar, our bodies do not process it in the same way they would sucrose, fructose, etc. Having said that, I was told it's still high on the GI chart. Contradictory?

Whey is a milk by-product as is casein; whey is extremely fast digesting, casein is slow. So in simplistic terms, it would make sense that milk (as a whole product) lies somewhere in the middle, which is perfect IMO.

From everything i've seen and read more recently, the big simple carb PWO insulin spike lost alot of it's glamor these days. Most of the guys on this board do complex carbs PWO. I personally do a whey shake in skim milk mixed with raw oats - I like the combination, and I don't think the milk is slowing down the digestion of the whey to a dramatic/detrimental degree.

[RED26]

where can i get some slin! lol
I sometimes add dextrose to my shakes pwo but some reading I did said spiking insulin levels didn't really work...

In the pharmacy!
Why don't you try it for yourself... Try a few weeks applying the insulin spike and then compare your results.
That's the best way... And you don't let anyone to tell you the story, you just do it and prove it for yourself.

Alot of people on this board would debate that. I personally started out believing (and still do) what you stated above - while lactose is a sugar, our bodies do not process it in the same way they would sucrose, fructose, etc. Having said that, I was told it's still high on the GI chart. Contradictory?

Milk is NOT a high GI food. It's NOT high in the GI chart.
Even skim milk has a GI of 32 for each 300ml. Thats very low.

Whey is a milk by-product as is casein; whey is extremely fast digesting, casein is slow. So in simplistic terms, it would make sense that milk (as a whole product) lies somewhere in the middle, which is perfect IMO.

Well, now you see it's not in the middle. It's on the low side. Both whey & casein are PRODUCTS from milk, and that doesn't mean milk has it's fast digesting and slow digesting parts for it's own...

From everything i've seen and read more recently, the big simple carb PWO insulin spike lost alot of it's glamor these days. Most of the guys on this board do complex carbs PWO. I personally do a whey shake in skim milk mixed with raw oats - I like the combination, and I don't think the milk is slowing down the digestion of the whey to a dramatic/detrimental degree.

If you're already taking high GI carbs + whey, you're right, milk isn't going to acts in a very dramatic degree... BUT I think that If you're trying do to things right, then do it the most perfect you can. And that means paying attention to this kind of details. It's better to have a PWO shake with a GI of 90, than one of 80.

As I said... You can try it for yourself too... That's the only way to know for sure, no matter what I say, or what anyone else says.

[Twist]

Are the myoplex drinks junk or what? I don't plan to replace a meal with them but to suppliments the post work out meal with one on the way home. I can get them cheap and thought they may be worth trying.

it is good quality

They're not junk. But you need to take them with WATER, not milk, and throw more carbohydrates in them, because the quantity they have is not enough.
We're talking about each packet having 40g of protein and 20g of carbs.
You'll need another extra 60 carbs minimum of high GI if it's your PWO meal.

suggesting to take it with more carbs etc is premature without knowing the diet proposed.

i was actually talking about the drinks. but I thought spiking insulin levels pwo was old school and didn't work as good as the hype.

Spiking your insulin levels can be a good and a bad thing. You have to really know what you are doing when using exo slin.

If you're suggesting he have hi gi carbs PWO with his shake, why can't he mix it with milk?

He can. I recommend a little milk (no more than a cup).

Old school? Then what about most big guys using slin PWO?
Of course it works, and works excellent.

Milk is not a high GI food. Lactose slows digestion.

Comparing injectable insulin to fast digesting carbs is amateur at best. Consuming things like sugar or dextrose or whatever will not give you results like correctly used insulin. Further insulin by itself is said (by these same big guys) to be a waste of time. I rarely hear of people using insulin alone. Milk slows digestion and increases mucus which in turn also hinders digestion, but at small amounts with your protein shake will not hurt you. a cup at every meal is not a good idea.

where can i get some slin! lol
I sometimes add dextrose to my shakes pwo but some reading I did said spiking insulin levels didn't really work...

it works, a little bit... not enough to speak about.

In the pharmacy!
Why don't you try it for yourself... Try a few weeks applying the insulin spike and then compare your results.
That's the best way... And you don't let anyone to tell you the story, you just do it and prove it for yourself.



Milk is NOT a high GI food. It's NOT high in the GI chart.
Even skim milk has a GI of 32 for each 300ml. Thats very low.



Well, now you see it's not in the middle. It's on the low side. Both whey & casein are PRODUCTS from milk, and that doesn't mean milk has it's fast digesting and slow digesting parts for it's own...
Milk is both a fast and a slow digesting protein. In fact all slow digesting proteins deliver some protein into your blood stream relatively quickly.


If you're already taking high GI carbs + whey, you're right, milk isn't going to acts in a very dramatic degree... BUT I think that If you're trying do to things right, then do it the most perfect you can. And that means paying attention to this kind of details. It's better to have a PWO shake with a GI of 90, than one of 80.

As I said... You can try it for yourself too... That's the only way to know for sure, no matter what I say, or what anyone else says.

I agree. try both methods (unless you are trying to lose fat) and see which is best.

[RED26]

suggesting to take it with more carbs etc is premature without knowing the diet proposed.

No, it's not. Myoplex has only 20g of carbs, that's simply too low. You need more carbs PWO.

He can. I recommend a little milk (no more than a cup).

What for? If it's for taste I think that's a terrible reason. And milk just can't help your PWO shake in any other way.

Comparing injectable insulin to fast digesting carbs is amateur at best. Consuming things like sugar or dextrose or whatever will not give you results like correctly used insulin. Further insulin by itself is said (by these same big guys) to be a waste of time. I rarely hear of people using insulin alone.

HAHAHAHAHA... Can't you see it was just an example? I'm not trying to compare cats with lions...
Insulin alone is not a waste of time. You can get results from it. If you use it with other things, such as HGH it would be BETTER of course, but saying that it doesn't work on his own I think it's a bad opinion.

[Twist]

He said he is using a shake "to suppliments the post work out meal with one on the way home." without knowing the diet and what this next meal is I do not think that recommending 80 carbs (high gi at that) is a good idea. If he is tryong to lose fat, which most people are, then he might not want to have any carbs - especially not high gi. Like I said, diet needs to be posted.


Insulin on its own does do something. I am just saying that it does not do much. And to the general public it is actually counterproductive. The negative aspects of insulin far outweigh the positive aspects, especially when it is used by itself.
As for milk, I do not believe that it is a good idea to take something away from the form that your body is supposed to consume it at. Once you process the shit out of things they loose most of the nutritional value. this holds true with almost anything. flavored powder is not even close to cows milk, which in itself is an arguably bad source of protein. I would bet some serious money that if there were some independent studies done that are halfway decent on protein powder then the myth of this awesome source of protein would be unraveled. I have done many personal experiments with protein powder (on myself and clients/ friends) and found that it is barely better than not consuming anything at all. I would never recommend not consuming protein powder, but I am just saying it is not what it is cracked up to be.

[bigslick7878]

In my experience the packets are junk and mix way too thick. Better off getting the powder in a big 5lb bag and yes I mix it with milk all the time.

There are only 3 grams of carbs in the big bags per serving so adding a little milk to it makes it perfect.

[RED26]

Let us see the diet then.

[FireGuy]

In my experience the packets are junk and mix way too thick. Better off getting the powder in a big 5lb bag and yes I mix it with milk all the time.

There are only 3 grams of carbs in the big bags per serving so adding a little milk to it makes it perfect.

You are comparing a protein powder with a meal replacement pack. Two different things.

[bigslick7878]

You are comparing a protein powder with a meal replacement pack. Two different things.

OK.

Still don't like the "meal replacement packs", I can put protein powder in a gallon jug and shake it to mix.

Need a blender for the packets.

[FireGuy]

I prefer meal replacement packs personally. Met-Rx used to make some really good ones. Never used a blender for any of them in my life. Mix with a fork and chew up the clumps.

[garythompson]

I just eat healthy foods right now and not counting calories or macros. I'm working on getting lean and then i'm going to work on bulking after that. during bulking, i'll plan out all my meals according to marcos, workouts, and activities throughout the day. to tell the truth i'll probably just eat sweet potatoes post workout when I get home and of course lean protein. sorry, I can't post a diet right now for when i'll be bulking

[RED26]

I just eat healthy foods right now and not counting calories or macros.

Big mistake.

[garythompson]

it's working good so no, it's not a mistake.