Metabolic Typing Diet

[digismash]

Hey all, I am somewhat new to the forum, I have to say its a great place and everyones been more than helpful so thank you.

My question is I've always done a high protein, mod carbs, low fat, diet. After I got married I put on alot of weight and now am in the process of getting back into shape. While I know that diet works well i recently read the metabolic typing diet book, and done as much research online as I could but wanted to know if anyone here had any first hand knowledge of it and their results. Also how well it translates to a bodybuilder or powerlifter.

Thanks in advance,

Eric

[digismash]

I reckon not alot of people have tried this one, I gonna give it a shot and will let you guys know how it goes, if anyone has heard anything about it I'd love to hear it.

Eric

[the big 1]

I reckon not alot of people have tried this one, I gonna give it a shot and will let you guys know how it goes, if anyone has heard anything about it I'd love to hear it.

Eric

hey eric, welcome to the board...

ive heard of this diet but have no knowledge of how it works, please could you explain the basics of it ?

also, who is the inventor of the diet ?

[digismash]

William Wolcott is the one who wrote the book I have, and I believe hes the one who refined it.

its based on people unique body chemistry, and there are three seperate "types" most people fall into, protein type, carb type, and mixed type.

according to the test you take, I am a protein type, and my diet should consist of 40% high purine proteins 30% fats and oils, and 30% specific low starch carbs.

In a nutshell its based on the types of diets our ancestors ate before frying, processed grains etc. its similair to Dr Gerson diet which has been shown to cure cancer and adult onset diabetes although gersons didnt include meat.

this guys a powerlifter and does nutrition programs for powerlifters and bodybuilders, there is much more info on his site about it than I can explain lol

http://www.erictalmant.com/

this is a great article about it as well

http://articles.elitefts.com/article...uscle-or-both/

[Damienm05]

according to the test you take, I am a protein type, and my diet should consist of 40% high purine proteins 30% fats and oils, and 30% specific low starch carbs.

sounds like a pretty good diet plan for anyone living a healthy lifestlye. Why don't you post a proposed diet following those ratios and we'll tell you if it checks out.

[digismash]

will do Damien, I am still working on that, the 1st two weeks are a fine tuning period.

The 1st week in addition to protein and fats/oils you only eat non starchy carbs. Supposedly the first week you will feel great, if after the first week you start to feel run down etc again, you add a small amount of starchy carbs at dinner, if you feel good your there, if not you add some to lunch etc, then bfast until you feel correct,

I hope that made sense. there are also some foods a protein type eat that I dont eat because of my blood type as well, it pretty interesting. We shall see how it goes!

[digismash]

I should also add that the protein sources are all fatty, ie. whole eggs, beef, dark meat chicken and turkey etc. Preferably grass fed.

But the best is the high purine proteins, like organ meats (liver) mussel, sardines.

sounds odd being high in fat (good fat) but thats kinda the idea of the diet, that 2nd link explains it pretty well.

[the big 1]

William Wolcott is the one who wrote the book I have, and I believe hes the one who refined it.

its based on people unique body chemistry, and there are three seperate "types" most people fall into, protein type, carb type, and mixed type.

according to the test you take, I am a protein type, and my diet should consist of 40% high purine proteins 30% fats and oils, and 30% specific low starch carbs.

In a nutshell its based on the types of diets our ancestors ate before frying, processed grains etc. its similair to Dr Gerson diet which has been shown to cure cancer and adult onset diabetes although gersons didnt include meat.

this guys a powerlifter and does nutrition programs for powerlifters and bodybuilders, there is much more info on his site about it than I can explain lol

http://www.erictalmant.com/

this is a great article about it as well

http://articles.elitefts.com/article...uscle-or-both/

sounds interesting mate, can you do the test on the web without the book ? ide love to know mine, but im already guessing its protien and fats because i do so well with them instead of carbs!!!....

[digismash]

http://www.naturalhealthyellowpages....self_test.html

heres one I found

[digismash]

also this guys whole youtube channel is about this diet

this ones pretty informative and funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjdy0n_gJq8

[digismash]

well guys today was my first full day on this eating plan and I have to say its surprising.

Heres what I ate today:
Breakfast: 4 pieces bacon, 3 over easy eggs, handful oh sauteed mushrooms
Lunch: 4 boiled eggs, 2 pieces of bacon, 2 whole pieces raw celery
Dinner: 2 Chicken thighs, handful of sauteed mushrooms

Couple things I noticed the first day

1. My skin was much less greasy than normal
2. Energy was way up, I felt like I drank a red bull but no jitters
3. My thought process seemed a bit clearer, the wife said I was very talkative. lol

So the thing is to see how much fat I lose and muscle I gain.

I want to add some whey shakes in between meals, tomorrow is a workout day it will
be interesting to see how I do on this.

[digismash]

ok so I've been 100% on this diet for 5 days

2 weeks ago I was 300+lbs (scale only goes that high and I pinned it lol) BP 165 over 95
Yesterday I weighed 295 and BP was 149 over 90

I feel great and I have no more sweet cravings, its a very easy way to eat.

[Damienm05]

well guys today was my first full day on this eating plan and I have to say its surprising.

Heres what I ate today:
Breakfast: 4 pieces bacon, 3 over easy eggs, handful oh sauteed mushrooms
Lunch: 4 boiled eggs, 2 pieces of bacon, 2 whole pieces raw celery
Dinner: 2 Chicken thighs, handful of sauteed mushrooms

Couple things I noticed the first day

1. My skin was much less greasy than normal
2. Energy was way up, I felt like I drank a red bull but no jitters
3. My thought process seemed a bit clearer, the wife said I was very talkative. lol

So the thing is to see how much fat I lose and muscle I gain.

I want to add some whey shakes in between meals, tomorrow is a workout day it will
be interesting to see how I do on this.

Imagine how great you'd feel if you ate clean. You can lose weight due to carb-deprivation/ketosis eating bacon and dark meat but you're depriving your body of metabolism boosting essential fats, quality protein, and other important nutrients in favor of taste and saturated fat. You need to watch these videos ASAP and follow this version of your diet. There's a reason Dr. Atkins died of heart disease.

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x9lrfk
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x9lquq
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x9lq7u

[digismash]

in the interest of knowledge and fairness I will watch those

I ask that you read this and we can discuss it some more

I have done great eating the traditional clean way, I am just trying this out

http://articles.elitefts.com/article...uscle-or-both/

[digismash]

I had to go to the gym but I just made it through the 1st one!

[Damienm05]

Good read.
Saturated fat via animal sources contained within quality protein and from MCFAs is one thing; I just feel like eating dirty altogether is bad for many reasons I won't get into.

[digismash]

Damien I hope I didnt come off like an a-hole on my post its just I spent $200 on grass fed beef and organic eggs and veggies lol I am open to any help from you guys, from what I've read it came across as healthy

[digismash]

would you mind giving me some advice on changes to my current diet

[digismash]

or maybe a link to the type of diet, the videos are great thank you! I just need some more specifics, but it sounds really good

[spywizard]

I'd suggest that you are putting your body into a catabolic state with not enough calories to maintain muscle.

To lose 1 lb of fat (all fat no muscle) per week, you would consume 500 calories less than your maintenance..

The trick with the diets we consume is that we don't care how much we weigh, we are more interested in body composition.. that's why many will often recommend carb cycling vs keto type diet..

Hows that for ya??

so if you can effect 1 lb fat loss but keep the same weight.. that's the real trick to eating clean and healthy..

[Damienm05]

would you mind giving me some advice on changes to my current diet

Eat more small meals, clean ones throughout the day. And in general, just more calories. That's part of the advantage to these diets after all, is the leeway to eat more than you could with carbs and still lose. I know you're good for at least 2200 per day.

Example:

Meal 1: 4 whole organic omega-3 eggs, multivitamin
meal 2: 6 oz. grass fed fatty beef, 1 cup broccoli, 3g fish oil
meal 3: 1 scoop isopure, 2 tablespoons organic peanut butter (on-the go meal for work or the usual midday rush - makes this lifestyle easier - you can have 1 of these for every whole food meal if you must)
meal 4: 4 oz. lean grass fed beef, 1/3 cup nuts
meal 5: 4 oz. fish fillet, 3 tablespoons organic guacamole, 2 tablespoons salsa
meal 6: 4 oz. lean grass fed beef, 1 tablespoon olive oil, 10 large asparagus straws, 3g fish oil

Eating is good. Eat a lot. The more protein the better within reason as there's really no storage system for it within the body (barring the exception of a very high caloric intake or a stupidly low fat/carb intake). Your saturated fat intake will stay cave-mannishly high from this protein intake especially via all that beef, while you also have more leeway to eat plenty of EFAs and other healthy fat sources to make up the other 60% of your calories.

[digismash]

Damien thanks so much for taking the time to type that out for me, I will give it a shot buddy!

[digismash]

I'd suggest that you are putting your body into a catabolic state with not enough calories to maintain muscle.

To lose 1 lb of fat (all fat no muscle) per week, you would consume 500 calories less than your maintenance..

The trick with the diets we consume is that we don't care how much we weigh, we are more interested in body composition.. that's why many will often recommend carb cycling vs keto type diet..

Hows that for ya??

so if you can effect 1 lb fat loss but keep the same weight.. that's the real trick to eating clean and healthy..

Thanks Spy! when I was younger I did a bodybuilder diet for 4 months and started at 202lbs and ended at 202 lol I went from about 16% to 8%, this was a long time ago alot has changed in the past 10 years, def trying my best to catch up thank you guys so much for all the help!!

[digismash]

Eat more small meals, clean ones throughout the day. And in general, just more calories. That's part of the advantage to these diets after all, is the leeway to eat more than you could with carbs and still lose. I know you're good for at least 2200 per day.

Example:

Meal 1: 4 whole organic omega-3 eggs, multivitamin
meal 2: 6 oz. grass fed fatty beef, 1 cup broccoli, 3g fish oil
meal 3: 1 scoop isopure, 2 tablespoons organic peanut butter (on-the go meal for work or the usual midday rush - makes this lifestyle easier - you can have 1 of these for every whole food meal if you must)
meal 4: 4 oz. lean grass fed beef, 1/3 cup nuts
meal 5: 4 oz. fish fillet, 3 tablespoons organic guacamole, 2 tablespoons salsa
meal 6: 4 oz. lean grass fed beef, 1 tablespoon olive oil, 10 large asparagus straws, 3g fish oil

Eating is good. Eat a lot. The more protein the better within reason as there's really no storage system for it within the body (barring the exception of a very high caloric intake or a stupidly low fat/carb intake). Your saturated fat intake will stay cave-mannishly high from this protein intake especially via all that beef, while you also have more leeway to eat plenty of EFAs and other healthy fat sources to make up the other 60% of your calories.

Could I use coconut oil instead of olive oil? Also could I do 2 shakes a day instead of one, man you nailed this diet though I have everything on it!! lol

[Damienm05]

Could I use coconut oil instead of olive oil? Also could I do 2 shakes a day instead of one, man you nailed this diet though I have everything on it!! lol

Yeah, coconut oil is the ultimate saturated fat source. As an MCFA it has a very high propensity to be stored in the muscles and burned as energy, almost resembling glycogen. However, I think getting enough EFAs and poly/monounsaturated fats is important. It helps elevate testosterone levels and reduce inflammation.

[digismash]

Yeah, coconut oil is the ultimate saturated fat source. As an MCFA it has a very high propensity to be stored in the muscles and burned as energy, almost resembling glycogen. However, I think getting enough EFAs and poly/monounsaturated fats is important. It helps elevate testosterone levels and reduce inflammation.

so maybe rotate them? or should I just go with Olive Oil, I have both so its no biggee either way

[Damienm05]

incorporate both. I listed nuts and nut butter as examples but if ur stocked up on those oils and don't need crunchy/buttery treats to get by - oils are always gonna be better.

[digismash]

I also have the natural PB, but if the Olive Oil helps with testosterone thats a no brainer lol, and hey man thanks again I really appreciate it brotha!

oh I was in such a hurry to read the diet I didnt read the shake comment in the brackets lol apologies

[Damienm05]

I also have the natural PB, but if the Olive Oil helps with testosterone thats a no brainer lol, and hey man thanks again I really appreciate it brotha!

oh I was in such a hurry to read the diet I didnt read the shake comment in the brackets lol apologies

Well, it's not specifically olive oil that helps with test levels - it's monounsaturated fat in general, which is also the main lipid source in the PB. Point is, make sure your intake of these fats is sufficient and not limited to mainly saturated.

[digismash]

ahh got it! one weird thing my strength in the gym yesterday was good but I didnt get a pump which is very weird for me, is this a by product of eating this way?

[Damienm05]

ahh got it! one weird thing my strength in the gym yesterday was good but I didnt get a pump which is very weird for me, is this a by product of eating this way?

Yup, when I do this type of diet - i Know when it's time to have a cheat meal because I don't get pump or (believe it or not) even sore, no matter how hard I train. About every 7-9 days, you should eat a clean cheat meal with carbs. An example would be 2 cups of basmati rice with some fish, salsa, veggies, and maybe a bowl or two of Wheaties or something. Nothing extreme; just something to give you an emergency reserve of glycogen for the big muscle groups in the following 2-3 days and keep that metabolism kicking.

[digismash]

yeah I should be sore today but I'm not, very interesting, thanks again. also I've been following the meal plan you gave me today to the letter!