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    I am attempting to be less anal about my diet (counting in particular) this time around and just let the right foods work for me. The goal is to reduce bodyfat while maintaining (or God willing adding) LBM. I will be starting at roughly 2200 calories and working my way back up to 3000 by adding 100 calories every 2 weeks. I'd like to cruise at 3000 and continue a slow recomp. I am attempting to boost my metabolism by doing this.

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    BF - 16% - 18% - check my newest pics in the members pictures section and tell me what you think.

    4:30am (pre workout)
    2 whole extra large eggs - 14g protein, 10g fat - 160 calories
    Premier Protein shake - 30g protein, 5g carbs, 3g fat - 160 calories
    1/2 cup oats - 5g protein, 27g carbs, 3g fat - 150 calories
    1/2 cup blueberrires - 10g carbs, 40 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories

    50g protein, 55g carbs, 16g fat - 565 calories

    7:30am (post workout)
    2 scoops myofusion protein - 50g protein, 10g carbs, 6g fat - 315 calories
    3/4 cup oats - 4g protein, 20g carbs, 2g fat - 110 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories

    55g protein, 45g carbs, 8g fat - 480 calories

    10:00am
    4oz chicken breast - 24g protein, 1.5g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in chicken marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories

    25g protein, 5g carbs, 18g fat - 290 calories

    1:00pm
    4oz top sirloin/london broil - 25g protein, 5g fat - 150 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in steak marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    1 cup mixed greens salad - 2g carbs, 10 calories
    Dash of vinagerette - not sure on macros here, but very few

    25g protein, 4g carbs, 20g fat - 320 calories

    4:00pm
    4oz salmon burger - 20g protein, 2g carbs, 9g fat - 170 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories

    20g protein, 6g carbs, 12g fat - 220 calories

    7:00pm
    4oz of either steak, chicken, tilapia, or salmon burger - 20g - 25g protein, few grams of fat depending on food choice - let's round it off to 160 calories
    about 5 asparagus spears - 3g carbs, 15 calories
    Tsp Extra Virgin Olive Oil - 5g fat, 45 calories

    20g-25g protein, 3g carbs, 5-10g fat - rounding this meal up to 250 calories

    10:00pm (bedtime)
    1 scoop ON Casein - 24g protein, 3g carbs, 1g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp natty PB - 3g protein, 3g carbs, 9g fat - 90 calories

    27g protein, 6g carbs, 10g fat - 210 calories

    DAILY TOTAL: 225g protein, 125g carbs, 95g fat - 2255 calories

    Obviously macros are a bit off and therefore totals are off. I rounded things up for the most part to make sure i'm not underestimating. If it's the opposite and i'm UNDEREATING, remember that i'll be adding 100 calories every 2 weeks, so this will eventually correct itself. The 100 additional calories every 2 weeks will either be a 50/50 split of fat and carbs, or just carbs - I haven't decided yet (opinions?).

    Here's where I need your help - I am trying to get in more fiberous veggies. I'll be the first to admit I don't like them, especially preparing and then reheating. So, i'm trying to eat raw wherever possible. As you see, I have celery as a primary (hopefully celery is decent and acceptable?) and some mixed greens. The asparagus once a day is ok as it will be cooked.

    Are there any other veggies that can be eaten raw without vomiting? I can't imagine biting into a raw green pepper for instance. Spinach is already part of the mixed greens, so that's covered. Please help me with this, and let me know what you think about the diet and plan in general. Thanks!

    PS - take a look in the Memebers Pictures section as i've uploaded new pics. I'd like some bodyfat estimates and general critique, thanks!

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    Broccoli man you can buy the big raw bags. Idk about it being non vomiting though Haha. But I just grab a hand full of broccoli. Easy and conveint

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcwithane View Post
    Broccoli man you can buy the big raw bags. Idk about it being non vomiting though Haha. But I just grab a hand full of broccoli. Easy and conveint
    True, I can def. eat it raw, but it seems like it'll be tough without some veggie dip or hummus to dip it in! ARGH!

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    I think ur protein looks a bit low, i would want to bump it up at bit

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    I dont reali get why u want to increase ur cals as you go, i kno it may increase metabolic rate but i think the aditional calories may balance this out.

    I would start higher, and progresivly drop cals/ carbs

    i would start at

    2g pro/ lbm
    1 - 1.5g carb/ lbm

    i wouldnt add any fats except on lower carb days, just get the fats from the foods u eat, wih some efa's here and there

    this is just my opinion, i like constant high protein, moderate/ low carbs (stagerd/cycled), and low fat (increasing fats on low carb days)

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline_9 View Post
    I think ur protein looks a bit low, i would want to bump it up at bit
    You think? My LBM is around 170, so i'm getting more than 1g/lb. Also keep in mind the protein portion of this diet was based on a 40% split although other macros aren't 40/20. Where do you think protein should be at?

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    Peppers are fine raw, especiall slices thin into a salad,

    steam frence beans for 6 mins or so, throw them into cold water imidiatley to cool thwm down asap, keeping the crispy with a bit of a bit and keepin vits and mins etc

    green beans are fine cold, i actually eat the cold with a hot meal

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    You think? My LBM is around 170, so i'm getting more than 1g/lb. Also keep in mind the protein portion of this diet was based on a 40% split although other macros aren't 40/20. Where do you think protein should be at?
    If it was me with a lbm of 170 i would be shooting for 300-340 per day

    i would loose some of the fat calories

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    I am attempting to be less anal about my diet (counting in particular) this time around and just let the right foods work for me. The goal is to reduce bodyfat while maintaining (or God willing adding) LBM. I will be starting at roughly 2200 calories and working my way back up to 3000 by adding 100 calories every 2 weeks. I'd like to cruise at 3000 and continue a slow recomp. I am attempting to boost my metabolism by doing this.

    34 years old
    5'11
    203lbs
    BF - 16% - 18% - check my newest pics in the members pictures section and tell me what you think.

    4:30am (pre workout)
    2 whole extra large eggs - 14g protein, 10g fat - 160 calories
    Premier Protein shake - 30g protein, 5g carbs, 3g fat - 160 calories
    1/2 cup oats - 5g protein, 27g carbs, 3g fat - 150 calories
    1/2 cup blueberrires - 10g carbs, 40 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories

    50g protein, 55g carbs, 16g fat - 565 calories

    7:30am (post workout)
    2 scoops myofusion protein - 50g protein, 10g carbs, 6g fat - 315 calories
    3/4 cup oats - 4g protein, 20g carbs, 2g fat - 110 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories

    55g protein, 45g carbs, 8g fat - 480 calories

    10:00am
    4oz chicken breast - 24g protein, 1.5g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in chicken marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories

    25g protein, 5g carbs, 18g fat - 290 calories

    1:00pm
    4oz top sirloin/london broil - 25g protein, 5g fat - 150 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in steak marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    1 cup mixed greens salad - 2g carbs, 10 calories
    Dash of vinagerette - not sure on macros here, but very few

    25g protein, 4g carbs, 20g fat - 320 calories

    4:00pm
    4oz salmon burger - 20g protein, 2g carbs, 9g fat - 170 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories

    20g protein, 6g carbs, 12g fat - 220 calories

    7:00pm
    4oz of either steak, chicken, tilapia, or salmon burger - 20g - 25g protein, few grams of fat depending on food choice - let's round it off to 160 calories
    about 5 asparagus spears - 3g carbs, 15 calories
    Tsp Extra Virgin Olive Oil - 5g fat, 45 calories

    20g-25g protein, 3g carbs, 5-10g fat - rounding this meal up to 250 calories

    10:00pm (bedtime)
    1 scoop ON Casein - 24g protein, 3g carbs, 1g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp natty PB - 3g protein, 3g carbs, 9g fat - 90 calories

    27g protein, 6g carbs, 10g fat - 210 calories

    DAILY TOTAL: 225g protein, 125g carbs, 95g fat - 2255 calories

    Obviously macros are a bit off and therefore totals are off. I rounded things up for the most part to make sure i'm not underestimating. If it's the opposite and i'm UNDEREATING, remember that i'll be adding 100 calories every 2 weeks, so this will eventually correct itself. The 100 additional calories every 2 weeks will either be a 50/50 split of fat and carbs, or just carbs - I haven't decided yet (opinions?).

    Here's where I need your help - I am trying to get in more fiberous veggies. I'll be the first to admit I don't like them, especially preparing and then reheating. So, i'm trying to eat raw wherever possible. As you see, I have celery as a primary (hopefully celery is decent and acceptable?) and some mixed greens. The asparagus once a day is ok as it will be cooked.

    Are there any other veggies that can be eaten raw without vomiting? I can't imagine biting into a raw green pepper for instance. Spinach is already part of the mixed greens, so that's covered. Please help me with this, and let me know what you think about the diet and plan in general. Thanks!

    PS - take a look in the Memebers Pictures section as i've uploaded new pics. I'd like some bodyfat estimates and general critique, thanks!
    looks good mate, protien is maybe a bit low but as you said your adding calories in the coming weeks, so i would do that through protien intake.

    i would say your body fat is closer to 16 than 18, you look fairly lean.....

    your veggetable intake looks fine, if the main concern is fibre intake maybe getting some fibre pills would be a good idea....
    as for greens, why not try peas, green beans or broccoli, if you add it in with you meat when frying its really not that bad, its actually quite tastey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline_9 View Post
    If it was me with a lbm of 170 i would be shooting for 300-340 per day

    i would loose some of the fat calories
    While I might agree that protein is a bit low (in general, but not for a 2200 cal diet IMO) - I think 300-340/day is overkill. 250g/day would probably be good for me.

    Your body can only handle so much protein. If my calories were huge (4000+) then of course i'd have to make up for that somehow, and a bulk of it would be protein. Not arguing, just disagreeing.

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    If ur lbm is 170 ur mtce is around 2550

    40 40 20 would look like this

    255 protein
    255 carbs
    56.6 fats

    i would like to move 50 grams of carbs and add that onto your protein intake ie

    305 protein
    205 carbs
    56.6 fats

    i would also throw in some days that look like this

    305 protein
    155 carbs
    80 fats

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big 1 View Post
    looks good mate, protien is maybe a bit low but as you said your adding calories in the coming weeks, so i would do that through protien intake.

    i would say your body fat is closer to 16 than 18, you look fairly lean.....

    your veggetable intake looks fine, if the main concern is fibre intake maybe getting some fibre pills would be a good idea....
    as for greens, why not try peas, green beans or broccoli, if you add it in with you meat when frying its really not that bad, its actually quite tastey...
    Thanks for the feedback bro, and i'll take 16% right now!

    I think peas are too high in sugar for a diet based around cutting bodyfat, but broccoli and green beans are definitely a good choice. I actually went out and bought some broccoli last night, going to try and work it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline_9 View Post
    If ur lbm is 170 ur mtce is around 2550

    40 40 20 would look like this

    255 protein
    255 carbs
    56.6 fats

    i would like to move 50 grams of carbs and add that onto your protein intake ie

    305 protein
    205 carbs
    56.6 fats

    i would also throw in some days that look like this

    305 protein
    155 carbs
    80 fats
    Other than the gym, my day is completely inactive, so my TDEE is very low. 2500 is around TDEE for me and remember that i'm focusing on dropping bodyfat right now, not necesssarily gaining LBM (although i'd be thrilled if I did).

    As for carbs, i've done the standard 40/40/20 split at various daily caloric intake levels, up to 3500 when bulking. I'm super carb sensitive and always wind up putting on fat, quickly. So keep in mind this diet is specifically tailored to what I feel is optimal for me, hence the low carbs and relatively high fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    While I might agree that protein is a bit low (in general, but not for a 2200 cal diet IMO) - I think 300-340/day is overkill. 250g/day would probably be good for me.

    Your body can only handle so much protein. If my calories were huge (4000+) then of course i'd have to make up for that somehow, and a bulk of it would be protein. Not arguing, just disagreeing.
    Kool kool, evryone likes different methods, whatever you do wipl work as long as there is a deficite.

    If ur goals are to maintain as much miscle as possible i would think about dropping some o that fat out and adding those cals to ur protein intake,

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Other than the gym, my day is completely inactive, so my TDEE is very low. 2500 is around TDEE for me and remember that i'm focusing on dropping bodyfat right now, not necesssarily gaining LBM (although i'd be thrilled if I did).

    As for carbs, i've done the standard 40/40/20 split at various daily caloric intake levels, up to 3500 when bulking. I'm super carb sensitive and always wind up putting on fat, quickly. So keep in mind this diet is specifically tailored to what I feel is optimal for me, hence the low carbs and relatively high fat.
    Personaly i think ur low carb aproach will work fine for u

    i would make sure to add a moderate/ high carb day every 3 or 4 days, trust me on this one it realy helps, just make sure to keep those added carbs. Pean and not crap.

    I didnt even bother to look thru ur diet, i kno u kno wat 2 eat

    and u already kno wat i think bout the fats and protein lol

    sorry 4 all the typos, on ipod

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline_9 View Post
    Personaly i think ur low carb aproach will work fine for u

    i would make sure to add a moderate/ high carb day every 3 or 4 days, trust me on this one it realy helps, just make sure to keep those added carbs. Pean and not crap.

    I didnt even bother to look thru ur diet, i kno u kno wat 2 eat

    and u already kno wat i think bout the fats and protein lol

    sorry 4 all the typos, on ipod
    heh np, I appreciate any and all feedback. I probably should incorporate a carb refeed, but for me it'd have to be once a week max. AND i'd have to keep it clean; last time I did a diet with a refeed, it was a 40/40/20 (which I now know does NOT warrant a refeed IMO) and the 'refeed' only wound up being a huge carb cheat day, and fat was lower but not low enough. Needless to say, I failed to reach my goal. Epic failure. 2nd attempt now! =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    I am attempting to be less anal about my diet (counting in particular) this time around and just let the right foods work for me. The goal is to reduce bodyfat while maintaining (or God willing adding) LBM. I will be starting at roughly 2200 calories and working my way back up to 3000 by adding 100 calories every 2 weeks. I'd like to cruise at 3000 and continue a slow recomp. I am attempting to boost my metabolism by doing this. As we spoke about before, I think this is a great plan and may even have a priming effect as you add more protein/carbs to make up the difference. I think 100 per week would be better but your peace of mind is important.

    34 years old
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    203lbs
    BF - 16% - 18% - check my newest pics in the members pictures section and tell me what you think. I think you're 16% as some of the guys have said. 18% wouldn't really have that level of definition in the upper abdomen.

    4:30am (pre workout)
    2 whole extra large eggs - 14g protein, 10g fat - 160 calories
    Premier Protein shake - 30g protein, 5g carbs, 3g fat - 160 calories
    1/2 cup oats - 5g protein, 27g carbs, 3g fat - 150 calories
    1/2 cup blueberrires - 10g carbs, 40 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories I like this meal but maybe replace the banana with strawberries, blackberries, raspberries if you like them. Less simple sugar, high in antioxidants, more fiber. Everyone eats bananas for the convenience factor but I don't think they are the best choice.

    50g protein, 55g carbs, 16g fat - 565 calories

    7:30am (post workout)
    2 scoops myofusion protein - 50g protein, 10g carbs, 6g fat - 315 calories
    3/4 cup oats - 4g protein, 20g carbs, 2g fat - 110 calories
    1/2 banana - 13g carbs, 50 calories I like this PWO. Banana is a good fit here. Indulge and have a whole one!

    55g protein, 45g carbs, 8g fat - 480 calories

    10:00am
    4oz chicken breast - 24g protein, 1.5g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in chicken marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories Nice, nice pro/fat meal. I'll suggest better veggies below.

    25g protein, 5g carbs, 18g fat - 290 calories

    1:00pm
    4oz top sirloin/london broil - 25g protein, 5g fat - 150 calories
    1tbsp Olive Oil (in steak marinade) - 13.5g fat - 120 calories
    1 cup mixed greens salad - 2g carbs, 10 calories
    Dash of vinagerette - not sure on macros here, but very few Like it.

    25g protein, 4g carbs, 20g fat - 320 calories

    4:00pm
    4oz salmon burger - 20g protein, 2g carbs, 9g fat - 170 calories
    2 celery stalks (about 110g) - 4g carbs, 20 calories
    1tsp Natty PB - 3g fat - 30 calories Better veggies below but I like it!

    20g protein, 6g carbs, 12g fat - 220 calories

    7:00pm
    4oz of either steak, chicken, tilapia, or salmon burger - 20g - 25g protein, few grams of fat depending on food choice - let's round it off to 160 calories
    about 5 asparagus spears - 3g carbs, 15 calories
    Tsp Extra Virgin Olive Oil - 5g fat, 45 calories If you're doing chicken or tilapia (basically no fat) triple the oil used (1 tbsp = 3 tsp). If it's the Salmon again, then I'd still double it. I know, being very picky but your diet is good so trying to spot little things. Logic being that it's just not a protein heavy meal, so it's best to make sure you're getting enough fat in (12-15g).

    20g-25g protein, 3g carbs, 5-10g fat - rounding this meal up to 250 calories

    10:00pm (bedtime)
    1 scoop ON Casein - 24g protein, 3g carbs, 1g fat - 120 calories
    1tbsp natty PB - 3g protein, 3g carbs, 9g fat - 90 calories

    27g protein, 6g carbs, 10g fat - 210 calories

    DAILY TOTAL: 225g protein, 125g carbs, 95g fat - 2255 calories

    Obviously macros are a bit off and therefore totals are off. I rounded things up for the most part to make sure i'm not underestimating. If it's the opposite and i'm UNDEREATING, remember that i'll be adding 100 calories every 2 weeks, so this will eventually correct itself. The 100 additional calories every 2 weeks will either be a 50/50 split of fat and carbs, or just carbs - I haven't decided yet (opinions?). I'd say pro/carb. That way you're at 1.5g per lb. by the time you hit your 3000 cals and you have enough carbos to keep the engine firing on all cylinders. Fat is fine as is for the duration, IMO. Though, I don't see any EFAs really, so I'd add 100 cals ASAP in the form of fish oil or capsules. Even a serving of high-lignan flax oil instead of olive oil at some point.

    Here's where I need your help - I am trying to get in more fiberous veggies. I'll be the first to admit I don't like them, especially preparing and then reheating. So, i'm trying to eat raw wherever possible. As you see, I have celery as a primary (hopefully celery is decent and acceptable?) and some mixed greens. The asparagus once a day is ok as it will be cooked. I'd replace the celery with mixed greens as the easiest option for all meals. Celery doesn't offer much besides water. A better option and one that I implement sometimes is cold french beans. I know it sounds bad but it's very, very good. Just steam/boil a bunch to al dente one day a week when you cook and toss them with a vinaigrette, some kosher salt, black pepper. I make my vinaigrette with herbs de provence, dijon, evoo, lemon juice, and some chopped shallots. The beans are nice cold and have a natural sweetness. They are jam packed with nutritious goodness and are highly fibrous.

    Are there any other veggies that can be eaten raw without vomiting? I can't imagine biting into a raw green pepper for instance. Spinach is already part of the mixed greens, so that's covered. Please help me with this, and let me know what you think about the diet and plan in general. Thanks! I think broccoli is good raw with a dip but of course, finding a dip that fits BB standards in tough. Maybe you could find a good low-cal/low-sodium ranch or blue cheese but I don't know of one.

    PS - take a look in the Memebers Pictures section as i've uploaded new pics. I'd like some bodyfat estimates and general critique, thanks! Looking good dude. You're hard on yourself but I think you filled out nicely on cycle and still look lean.
    I'm late to the party but that's my $.02. I find that any roasted/steamed vegetable medley can be quite delicious cold when tossed lightly with the right dressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damienm05 View Post
    I'm late to the party but that's my $.02. I find that any roasted/steamed vegetable medley can be quite delicious cold when tossed lightly with the right dressing.
    Damien, thank you for the detailed critiquie, as always. Yes, I love strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, etc - so I wouldn't mind mixed berries in my oats, wouldn't miss the banana at all. Like you suggested, i'd simply do a whole banana PWO.

    RE meal 7 - i've started using your Latin Marinade for the chicken and steak. I also fry up my tilapia in olive oil - as you know it's tough to estimate macros for food you cook in olive oil (in bulk), even tougher for a marinade. I've been estimating about a tbsp per piece of meat, so fat may very well be higher. I will keep an eye on this meal though and adjust if necessary.

    I appreciate the pickiness - it's what help us to take a good diet and perfect it, so thank you!

    EFA's - true i'm not supplementing any fish oils. I was hoping the salmon burger(s) would take care of that but i'm probably not getting enough from that alone. I need to invest in some Udo's or Carlos fish oils.

    Veggies - unfortunately, I HATE green beans! The only kind I can tolerate are the canned ones (yea, I know, some taste chef!!) which are pretty devoid of nutrition so what's the point? I did try raw broccoli in a dip (fat free sour cream and a packet of 'veggie dip' mix - not clean, I know - but I either eat veggies + that, or no veggies at all - trying to pick the lesser of 2 evils) and loved it, so i'll be making that a staple. I didn't think the celery was too nutritious, and honestly i'm already getting sick of the taste. How about green peppers?

    Thanks again for all of your feedback, you have been and continue to be one of the people consistently there for me, I really appreciate it!!!

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    I'm the same way with marinades. It always bothers me and I basically just divide the amount of oil used between the breasts. It can't be exact but there's always a bit leftover in the bowl so at least I'm rounding up.

    The salmon burgers may have a very small amount but the real source of omega-3 in salmon will be the skin.

    I'm sure the broccoli dip can't be THAT bad. You're not cutting like crazy or on-cycle and I'm sure you're not slathering them with many servings of it. As for the green peppers, they're not gonna offer anywhere near as much fiber or essential nutrients as broccoli and have a bit of sugar but they're perfectly acceptable if you like them. Sometimes I put a bunch in the latin marinade with my chicken and saute everything together fajita style with some jalapenos. I eat it with guacamole for pro/fat or corn/brown rice as pro/carb when I need something good.

    It's always a pleasure man. You're there for a lot of people on here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damienm05 View Post
    I'm the same way with marinades. It always bothers me and I basically just divide the amount of oil used between the breasts. It can't be exact but there's always a bit leftover in the bowl so at least I'm rounding up.

    Agreed. BTW thanks for the recipes, only tried the Latin so far but it's very nice. Of course, I will now have to start playing around with it! =)

    The salmon burgers may have a very small amount but the real source of omega-3 in salmon will be the skin.

    Eww... when I eat real salmon, I always remove the skin! Guess I do need to invest in some oil caps.

    I'm sure the broccoli dip can't be THAT bad. You're not cutting like crazy or on-cycle and I'm sure you're not slathering them with many servings of it. As for the green peppers, they're not gonna offer anywhere near as much fiber or essential nutrients as broccoli and have a bit of sugar but they're perfectly acceptable if you like them. Sometimes I put a bunch in the latin marinade with my chicken and saute everything together fajita style with some jalapenos. I eat it with guacamole for pro/fat or corn/brown rice as pro/carb when I need something good.

    Yea, i'm dipping as little as humanly possible, just for a bit of taste and moisture. Noted about the green peppers, I figured as much and don't like them enough to eat them raw, I would only have done so if they were worth it nutritionally.

    It's always a pleasure man. You're there for a lot of people on here!
    Thanks bro, replies above in bold.

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