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    help 4 weeks out!

    hey guys i am doing a very amateur bodybuilding charity event contest. i am at a crossroad right now because i dont know wether i should lower my cal because i wont cut fast enough or keep it the same incase i loose muscle and look flat on stage. Iv really never cut so i dont know please help me with my diet!

    I am currently 183lbs and around 11%bf (top abs are showing but still have a long way to go). it is 4 weeks out. here is my diet/ workout.

    I am on
    test prop50mg ED
    TREN ACE 50mg ED
    Winstrol 50mg tab ED
    clen 120micrograms 2 week on 2 week off

    i do a carb cycle diet where i have my hi days eating 225g of carbs my low days eating 175g of carbs and my off days where the only carbs i have is a peice of fruit (roughtly 40g from fruit and sugars from cottage cheese and protein shakes) and i repeat. my cal are around 2600 cal and even tho teh carbs fluctuate i make up the diff in cal by adding more fats/proteins to my diet.

    THIS IS MY WORKOUT
    DAY A (hi carb day)
    FLAT DUMB BELL CHEST 5 sets 5 reps
    Front Squat 3 set 12 rep
    weighted wide grip pullup 25 rep as many sets as needed
    rope tricep extention 2x10 Super set with reverse barbel curl 2x10
    cable fly 2x15 super set with cable shoulder ext 2x15

    Day B(low carb day)
    Hangcleans 5x5
    one leg dumbel squat 3x8 superset w/ reverse grip cable row 3x10
    standing barbell shoulder press 5x5
    abs

    off day(no carbs)

    day C (high Carb Day)
    Dead lift 8,6,4,4,4,1,1
    neutral grip pullups 3x12
    standing dumbell tricep ext 3x10
    shoulder complex 2x10 superset w/ hammer curls 2x10


    Day d(low carb days)
    Back squat 4x8
    neutral grip dumbell shoulder press 4x8
    tbar rows 4x6
    decline dumbell flys 3x12 superset w/lat pulldowns 3x8
    abs

    day off (no carb day)

    and repeat




    here are my three diet days


    HIGH CARB DAYS

    Cal Fat Carb Protein
    Meal 1
    Nitro Core Shake 200 5g 14g 24g

    Meal 2
    1 Cup Oatmeal 300 6g 54g 10g
    6 egg white 1 whole egg 190 4g 4g 30g
    TOTAL 490 10g 58g 40g

    Meal 3
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g
    1/2 cup Brown Rice 150 1g 33g 4g
    TOTAL 370 3g 33g 54g

    Meal 4
    1.5 Scoops Waxi Maize 240 0g 60g 0g
    2 Scoops Whey 260 3g 8g 48g
    Total 500 3g 68g 48g

    Meal 5
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g
    1/2 cup Brown Rice 150 1g 33g 4g
    TOTAL 370 3g 33g 54g

    Meal 6
    1 can tuna 120 2g 0g 26g
    handfull of almonds 160 12g 6g 6g
    TOTAL 280 14g 6g 32g

    Meal 7
    4oz Talapia 110 2g 0g 23g

    Meal 8
    1/2 cup cottage cheese 70 0g 6g 11g
    1 TBSP Peanut Butter 100 8g 3g 4g
    Caseine Shake 120 1g 3g 24g
    TOTAL 290 9g 12g 39g

    4 FISHOIL through out day 50 5g 0g 0g
    TOTAL: 2,660 54g 224g 314g



    MED CARB DAYS
    Cal Fat Carb Protein
    Meal 1
    Nitro Core Shake 200 5g 14g 24g

    Meal 2
    1 Cup Oatmeal 300 6g 54g 10g
    6 egg white 1 whole egg 190 4g 4g 30g
    TOTAL 490 10g 58g 40g

    Meal 3
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g

    Meal 4
    1 Scoops Waxi Maize 160 0g 40g 0g
    2 Scoops Whey 260 3g 8g 48g
    Total 500 3g 68g 48g

    Meal 5
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g
    1/2 cup Brown Rice 150 1g 33g 4g
    TOTAL 370 3g 33g 54g

    Meal 6
    1 can tuna 120 2g 0g 26g
    handfull of almonds 160 12g 6g 6g
    TOTAL 280 14g 6g 32g

    Meal 7
    8oz Talapia 220 4g 0g 46g

    Meal 8
    1/2 cup cottage cheese 70 0g 6g 11g
    1 TBSP Peanut Butter 100 8g 3g 4g
    Caseine Shake 120 1g 3g 24g
    TOTAL 290 9g 12g 39g

    6 FISHOIL through out day 90 9g 0g 0g
    TOTAL: 2,580 60g 172g 333g


    NO CARB DAYS
    Cal Fat Carb Protein
    Meal 1
    1 Scoop Whey shake 130 1.5g 4g 24g

    Meal 2
    2 slices Turkey Bacon 70 3g 0g 12g
    6 egg white 2 whole egg 260 8g 4g 36g
    TOTAL 330 11g 4g 48g

    Meal 3
    8oz Top Round Steak 480 19g 0g 70g

    Meal 4
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g
    1 TBSP Olive Oil 120 14g 0g 0g
    TOTAL 340 16g 0g 50g

    Meal 5
    2 Scoops Whey 260 3g 8g 48g

    Meal 6
    8oz Grilled Chicken 220 2g 0g 50g
    1 TBSP Olive Oil 120 14g 0g 0g
    TOTAL 340 16g 0g 50g

    Meal 7
    2 can tuna 240 4g 0g 52g

    Meal 8
    8oz Talapia 220 4g 0g 46g

    Meal 9
    1/2 cup cottage cheese 70 0g 6g 11g
    Caseine Shake 120 1g 3g 24g
    TOTAL 190 1g 9g 35g


    8 FISHOIL through out day 120 12g 0g 0g
    TOTAL: 2,650 87g 25g 423g





    PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT CHANGES IF ANY I SHOULD MAKE TO MY DIET AND OR WORKOUT AND ANY AND ALL ADVICE WOULD BE VERY HELPFULL

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    You might get a better response in the diet section as there are many that frequent there much more then here who would be the ones to ask.

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    Well for this being show prep, you shouldn't have any shakes. Stick with real food. At 4 weeks out you should start coming off the AS, but stay on the clen . I am about to train a client and will look at your diet in a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN View Post
    Well for this being show prep, you shouldn't have any shakes. Stick with real food. At 4 weeks out you should start coming off the AS, but stay on the clen. I am about to train a client and will look at your diet in a bit.
    Yes. Lose the shakes. I'd switch to fish and Lower cals.
    4 weeks out and 11%. Personally, I'd go 5 no carb days with one carb up day.

    Get off. The sauce.

    Hope you are doing cardio every morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN View Post
    Well for this being show prep, you shouldn't have any shakes. Stick with real food. At 4 weeks out you should start coming off the AS, but stay on the clen. I am about to train a client and will look at your diet in a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by LBSOMEIRON View Post
    Yes. Lose the shakes. I'd switch to fish and Lower cals.
    4 weeks out and 11%. Personally, I'd go 5 no carb days with one carb up day.

    Get off. The sauce.

    Hope you are doing cardio every morning.
    Curious as to what the reasoning is behind these statements considering he is 4 weeks out and running prop, tren acetate and an oral dht.

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    I've always have my clients come off beginning 4 weeks out as it can cause you to hold water. Been very successful thus far.

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    So people go on stage while in PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN View Post
    I've always have my clients come off beginning 4 weeks out as it can cause you to hold water. Been very successful thus far.
    Not with you on this one, oral winstrol and fast acting injectables are not going to make him hold any water. Even if it were true he could run them much longer and they would still clear his system in plenty of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReX357 View Post
    So people go on stage while in PCT?
    No, never heard of anyone using the protocol mentioned. There are definately some things you want out of your system at 4 weeks out but I dont know of anyone coming off of everything 4 weeks out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGuy1 View Post
    No, never heard of anyone using the protocol mentioned. There are definately some things you want out of your system at 4 weeks out but I dont know of anyone coming off of everything 4 weeks out.
    K. Was kinda curious. I don't know about BB Competition much but it sounded a little weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGuy1 View Post
    No, never heard of anyone using the protocol mentioned. There are definately some things you want out of your system at 4 weeks out but I dont know of anyone coming off of everything 4 weeks out.
    FG - It's my mistake for not reading. My guy (who I have used for the past 3 shows and trained under Hanny) had me stop 4 weeks out one time only because I was a good ways through my contest prep when we met.

    Orals and test pro, as well as tren , masteron , etc. I take up until day 7, the first day I cut my carbs. Since then, I've come in dry as a bone.

    So 1 week out for sure, 4 weeks if you are taking a longer half life esther.

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