When I should start to cut?(And big thx to Matt)

**tinyGuy** · 11-04-2010, 08:50 PM

So I was about 130lbs 4-5 months ago, now I'm about 160lbs I want to go up to 185-190lbs...and afer that start cutting for the summer...so I have my abs on the beach, if you get my drift :P

I'm 20 years old, 5.7ft. an BF right now about 12%

And I also want to thank you guys for helping me out with great tips and I also want to say thx to Matt for not letting me use steroids at this moment, I have achived my goals as he said just by eating.

PS: My First goal was to go up to 160lbs
Now I want this:

**bigslick7878** · 11-04-2010, 09:17 PM

Be realistic, and reality is that only .00001% of the population will be able to look like that guy. Reality also is that if you went from 130-160 in the past 4-5 months you are not gaining another 25-30lbs anytime soon. (I would love to hear how you gained that much weight in that amount of time BTW with hardly ant fat)

If you are really 12% you should have a 6 pack flat stomach right now, and at that number I don't see why you want to be "cutting" anyway.

**tinyGuy** · 11-04-2010, 09:23 PM

Just .000001%? I will eat rocks If I will have too, in order to achive that.And yes, I have a sick pack right now..but in the future how knows....
Thx for your time.

**gbrice75** · 11-05-2010, 08:42 AM

How about some current pics so we can evaluate where you are currently?

**tjax03** · 11-05-2010, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by bigslick7878

Be realistic, and reality is that only .00001% of the population will be able to look like that guy. Reality also is that if you went from 130-160 in the past 4-5 months you are not gaining another 25-30lbs anytime soon. (I would love to hear how you gained that much weight in that amount of time BTW with hardly ant fat)

If you are really 12% you should have a 6 pack flat stomach right now, and at that number I don't see why you want to be "cutting" anyway.

Are you sure about that? I always thought the abs really come out for most people at 10%.

**gbrice75** · 11-05-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by tjax03

Are you sure about that? I always thought the abs really come out for most people at 10%.

Abs typically become visible around 15%, prominent at 12%, and poppin (assuming they're somewhat developed) at 10%.

**bigslick7878** · 11-05-2010, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Abs typically become visible around 15%, prominent at 12%, and poppin (assuming they're somewhat developed) at 10%.

Exactly, even around 16-17% you can see abs. You get to 12% and you are pretty ripped in the midsection, 10% or less and they are definable and there will be just skin and hardly any fat down there like that guy in the OP's pic.

A lot of people underestimate their bodyfat by a good 3-4% IMO and don't realize just how lean someone around 12% is.

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by bigslick7878

Exactly, even around 16-17% you can see abs. You get to 12% and you are pretty ripped in the midsection, 10% or less and they are definable and there will be just skin and hardly any fat down there like that guy in the OP's pic.

A lot of people underestimate their bodyfat by a good 3-4% IMO and don't realize just how lean someone around 12% is.

Yeah thats true but I want 7% BF

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Thx for the support.

**SergeantCarbs** · 11-06-2010, 04:43 AM

Good goals to have TinyGuy....

I've never been that lean to say from personal experience (although still striving for it myself) but from the research studies that I have read about bulking (gaining mass) a typical person gains aproximately 2/3 fat - 1/3 mass while he gains weight. However the studies show that a lean person under 10% bf will reverse that and gain 2/3 mass. So I would think bulking/cutting cycles between 7-10% bf would produce optimal results. These studies were not based on AAS so I don't know how there implemantation may or may not change the results.

**gbrice75** · 11-06-2010, 05:56 AM

Just as a point of reference, i'm about 15% in my avy - top 4 abs are fairly visible, bottom 2 are non-existent. That just happens to be the way I store fat. Sorry the pic sucks however.

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Just as a point of reference, i'm about 15% in my avy - top 4 abs are fairly visible, bottom 2 are non-existent. That just happens to be the way I store fat. Sorry the pic sucks however.

You look good bro', I wish I look like that,my abs are still underdeveloped, so you know I need lowe BF in order to see them well, but from next week I will start to work them 3 times a week, and to do cardio once a week half an hour

**gbrice75** · 11-06-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by tinyGuy

You look good bro', I wish I look like that,my abs are still underdeveloped, so you know I need lowe BF in order to see them well, but from next week I will start to work them 3 times a week, and to do cardio once a week half an hour

Cardio once a week? Surely that's a typo! You mean once a day, right?

PS - thanks for the kind words bro.

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 04:10 PM

Why I will do cardio once a day? When I try to bulk up...? Now I want to bulk up more, and after that start cutting...

How big are your guns?

**tbody66** · 11-06-2010, 04:13 PM

post some pics. I hate cardio too.

**gbrice75** · 11-06-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by tinyGuy

Why I will do cardio once a day? When I try to bulk up...? Now I want to bulk up more, and after that start cutting...

How big are your guns?

You still want to keep bodyfat in check, don't you? Honestly if you really meant to only do it once a week, I don't even see the point in that. Just take a rest day or whatever, give your body a complete break.

LoL they're small bro, like 16 inches. =(

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 04:23 PM

Hello All,

i am absolutely new to this forum, even a bit ignorant how to actually use it. So please excuse me incase I do something wrong.

I am 5 feet 10.5 inches. I use to weight 95 kgs at 35 % bf. I started workingout 16 months back. Slowly and surely I have reached 80 kgs at 20 % BF. I went down to 75 kgs at 17.5 % bf, but then gained some weight back.

Now I wanna start back in full swing. I wanna reach 10 % BF and aim at being 74 kgs, which means I need to lose 10 Kg fat and gain 4 kg muscle mass.

I maintain my diet to a level where I am 500 Kcal deficit for 6 days. Eating 200 gms protein though right sources. 150 gms Carbs and 40 gms Fats equally divided in 6 meals.

I wanna go on cycle. Pills preferably coz I am ''needlephobic''

Could some1 help me with diet and cycle info. I am absolutely clueless which ones to take and google has confused me all d way more.

I am too uneducated to be on this forum or can I really get some help. I am willing to do anything, ANYTHING to get down to the level I mentioned. PLEASE HELP !!!

A.J

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 04:27 PM

My exercises goes something like this

Monday: Superset CHEST : TRICEPS 5 sets, 12 Reps
Tuesday: HIIT 30 minutes + Abs + Lower back
Wednesday: Superset BACK : BICEPS 5 sets, 12 Reps
Thursday: HIIT 30 minutes + Abs + Lower back
Friday: Superset LEGS: SHOULDERS 5 sets, 12 Reps
Saturday: HIIT 30 minutes + Abs + Lower back

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by amitphatak

Hello All,

i am absolutely new to this forum, even a bit ignorant how to actually use it. So please excuse me incase I do something wrong.

I am 5 feet 10.5 inches. I use to weight 95 kgs at 35 % bf. I started workingout 16 months back. Slowly and surely I have reached 80 kgs at 20 % BF. I went down to 75 kgs at 17.5 % bf, but then gained some weight back.

Now I wanna start back in full swing. I wanna reach 10 % BF and aim at being 74 kgs, which means I need to lose 10 Kg fat and gain 4 kg muscle mass.

I maintain my diet to a level where I am 500 Kcal deficit for 6 days. Eating 200 gms protein though right sources. 150 gms Carbs and 40 gms Fats equally divided in 6 meals.

I wanna go on cycle. Pills preferably coz I am ''needlephobic''

Could some1 help me with diet and cycle info. I am absolutely clueless which ones to take and google has confused me all d way more.

I am too uneducated to be on this forum or can I really get some help. I am willing to do anything, ANYTHING to get down to the level I mentioned. PLEASE HELP !!!

A.J

Post it in a new thread, you will get more help that way.

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by tbody66

post some pics. I hate cardio too.

Soon bro', I just feel like a pice of sh*t right now...

**tinyGuy** · 11-06-2010, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

You still want to keep bodyfat in check, don't you? Honestly if you really meant to only do it once a week, I don't even see the point in that. Just take a rest day or whatever, give your body a complete break.

LoL they're small bro, like 16 inches. =(

They are good bro', mine are 13 inches

) my goal is also 16 inches

, my biceps are growing about 0.3 inches every 2-3 months...which I think is ok? :-?

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 05:03 PM

Thanks a lot buddy, for some reason I am not able to coz may b I am new to the forum.

But ur right, I so need the right help

Will try to get myself to make a new thread asap.

Cheers

Originally Posted by tinyGuy

Post it in a new thread, you will get more help that way.

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 05:05 PM

And I am glad to see that I am not the only 1 to hate the god d**M cardio

Eric Cartman: My Fat Hero

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 05:22 PM

And yeah. Jesus Christ @ the snap posted by the OP .... Its guys like him who makes me feel shit about me

but then again its guys like him who makes me wanna get up from my couch and start skipping at 12.40 am on a saturday night ....

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 05:43 PM

Got the new link runnin

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-god-d**m-mind

**bigslick7878** · 11-06-2010, 05:58 PM

Cardio is a necessary evil. Suck it up or stay fat and don't complain about it.

**amitphatak** · 11-06-2010, 06:18 PM

I hear u and I agree with u, not happy about it, but neither am i with my boss

but as u said, gotta suck it up and live with it

Originally Posted by bigslick7878

Cardio is a necessary evil. Suck it up or stay fat and don't complain about it.

**gbrice75** · 11-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by tinyGuy

They are good bro', mine are 13 inches

) my goal is also 16 inches

, my biceps are growing about 0.3 inches every 2-3 months...which I think is ok? :-?

Definitely bro, any growth is good. If you grow an inch in a year I think that's great. A little advice - you want big arms? Focus on and grow your tri's. Biceps are always the focus because everybody wants those peaks like Arnold, but well developed massive triceps are what really gives the arm it's thickness. Obviously keep working bi's, but IMO tri's are what make big arms. My .02