i eat eat eat & eat & train but no gains ffs !!!!!!!!!

**benbean77** · 12-08-2010, 07:22 AM

this is beginning to get on my tits.
last 6 months i have been a complete bum as i have been out of work. so basically been, eating (shit loads), training, sleeping. during the days i am eather sat infront of the computer or t.v or if its nice weather out with freinds but this is england. wake up at about 10ish and day begines with breakfast(5 eggs &oats)
eating alot of food. mininim of 6 meals each meal good quality 30g protein. always eating, peanut butter,tuna steaks,beef steaks,chicken legs&breasts,minced beef, shit load of eggs,pasta,potatoes,rice the list goes on and on. i am not gaining any more honestly!! training is good. but if most people sat about doing nothing with my diet they would be f****ing huge&fat. getting a good 10-12 hours sleep a night.
stats
20
6'
85kg
low b,f
i am done with gaining muscle now i feel as i started probally skinnier than most my body has reached its maximum !
any suggestions but really please no one say eat more as honestly i do eat enought.

**baseline_9** · 12-08-2010, 07:30 AM

Eat more....

Post ur current diet

If ur not gaining weight then the answer is that ur not eating enough

**mg1228** · 12-08-2010, 07:31 AM

list out ur meals with macros and total it up--

i feel like i eat all the time too--but it adds up to right at or below my tdee

**kelevra** · 12-08-2010, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

Eat more....

Post ur current diet

If ur not gaining weight then the answer is that ur not eating enough

AGREED^^^^^^

Yes it sounds like you are on the right path for eating, but if you are not gaining something you are simply not eating enough.
If you have been training consistent for any length of time you may be at a standstill as well.
My suggestion is take a week to de condition. Either take completely off or decrease volume and intensity in the gym. Decrease protein intake , but maintain just below tdee. In this time get a good diet plan together and re look at workout routine. Then be ready to come in the next week with a big diet and ready to lift with volume again.
And as the other gentlemen have stated, it would be appropriate for you to list the diet, calories, and macro counts. We might be able to help more then.
Good luck mate

***FireGuy*** · 12-08-2010, 07:57 AM

You say "training is good". Would be nice to know the specifics of that aspect as well.

**gbrice75** · 12-08-2010, 08:19 AM

Agreed with all of the above. Let's see a complete typical day's diet and full week training routine. For the diet, list time of day for each meal, and accurate macros (P/C/F/total calories) as well as where the workout fits into the schedule.

Most people who 'can't' gain weight and think they 'eat alot' are undereating, and most people who 'can't' lose weight and 'starve themselves' are eating more then they think.

**benbean77** · 12-08-2010, 11:56 AM

wake 10:00 5 egg whites 3 whole eggs, 2 slices wholegrain bread, 2 cups oats,banana
12:00 large 12oz rump steak, sweet potatoe/regular potatoe mash, brocoli
2:00 2 whole chicken breasts, 2 cups wholegrain rice, 100g peanut butter
4:00 8oz tuna steak or tinned tuna with large sweet potatoe,apple,
6:00 extra lean minced beef homeade cottage pie with sliced potatoes and mixed vegetables,cup low fat yougart, spoonfull of honey
8:00 50g usn pure protein slow release & fat release blended with 2 cups of porrage oats (post workout)
10:00 2 slices wholegrain bread, 100g peanut butter & berries
i train 4 days a week
monday: chest & shoulders
tuesday:back & forearms
wednesday

ff
thursday:legs
friday:arms
this is my latest programme and before i was training
monday: chest & triceps
wednesday: back & biceps
friday:legs& shoulders
i change my workout every 6 weeks and have a week rest every 12 weeks
to me it looks good and spot on and to eat any more would be rediculous.
cheers

**mg1228** · 12-08-2010, 12:04 PM

ok---whats the totals

**baseline_9** · 12-08-2010, 12:05 PM

LOL 100g servings of peanut butter, thats 50g of fat man, 450 calories

2 cup servins of oats, that 200g which is 120g carbs

2 cup serving of rice, thats 400g of rice in my book, about 320g carbs

are u sure your servings are correct

**mg1228** · 12-08-2010, 12:08 PM

he was right when he said he ate alot--lol

**baseline_9** · 12-08-2010, 12:13 PM

im working this ou at over 600g of carbs, protein not excessive tho at around 220-300, fat around 140g LOL

so my estimation is around 2400 + 1200 + 1260 = 4860 ish

and thats off the top of my head

so basically a 60 20 20 diet, carbs protein fat

**benbean77** · 12-08-2010, 12:22 PM

yea i like my peanut butter lol
if your saying i eat too much fats you would have thought i would be putting on weight then wouldnt you ?
i know 99% of you will dissagree but i feel like the only way out is gear !
living at home my mum goes f***ing crazy at me with the amount i eat lol so eating more is no option and i think the amount i eat at the moment cant be doing my body much good lol

**baseline_9** · 12-08-2010, 12:32 PM

well to start with ur diet isnt gr8

however i will always fall back to my original statment,,, if ur not gaining eat more

**benbean77** · 12-08-2010, 12:38 PM

yea their may be a couple of small things i could change but you would have to admite it is a pretty good diet and i am eating a shit load of good foods.
like i said eating more isnt an option this diet alone isnt cheap and i wouldnt want to eat more
i think i may go ahead with gear with 500mg test-e each week for 12 weeks and see how it goes.
cheers so far guys

**baseline_9** · 12-08-2010, 12:46 PM

TBH I would never say this is a good example of a diet for building size

Just saying....

**benbean77** · 12-08-2010, 12:48 PM

whats wrong with it ?
cheers

**gbrice75** · 12-08-2010, 01:19 PM

It's not horrible but a bit scattered and random. I'm still not convinced you're eating as much as you think/say. It could come down to timing, macro combos, etc. And simply put, Baseline could be right - you may just have an insanely fast metabolism and need to eat more. Try a 40/40/20 split, might do you better to get more carbs in.

**Newyorkrockstar** · 12-08-2010, 01:37 PM

IMO you are sleeping for too long you said 12 hours sleep?? thats alot of time your body isnt getting fed... i would say wake up earlier and this way you get another meal or 2 in ... and when you wake up in the middle of the night to take a piss have some cottage cheese... again thats IMO ...

***FireGuy*** · 12-08-2010, 01:45 PM

Your training schedule you put down tells us next to nothing as well. If you want specific advice on either diet or training you need to provide specific information.

**kelevra** · 12-08-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

Your training schedule you put down tells us next to nothing as well. If you want specific advice on either diet or training you need to provide specific information.

Agreed
If you want specific help we need specifics. I dont like some of the workout splits for gaining size either. Also agree with 12 hours to long in bed. also agreed with not for sure if caolrie count is accurate. Not saying you cant take gear to gain, but if your not gaining now how will you keep the gains? Or worse. Before you go into a cyle you want all this squared away first. We can help, but we need more info. Totals Pro, carbs, fats, and sets reps wieghts would all be nice

**Twist** · 12-09-2010, 12:41 AM

I'm calling Bullshit. You don't eat 4k cals and not gain weight unless you are very close or at your natural limit. Only time I have seen it. Most likely you wanted to do a cycle, someone told you to come here, then you wanted a reason to do a cycle, then you posted a diet that you should be gaining (some sort of) weight at, and now you will do a cycle because you are not gaining on a diet you are not eating.

If you aren't gaining muscle..
You are at or very close to your natural limit
You are not working out correctly
You are not eating the above diet

If you aren't gaining fat...
You are not eating the above diet

**smashingbox** · 12-09-2010, 02:08 AM

I used to have this problem, and only when I ate at 4000-5000kcals did anything change, and I had to cheat and dirty bulk because I just couldnt eat all the food required - 3 shakes a day on top of meals (not the healthiest meals either), first one on waking was 60g straight maltodextrin and 40g whey, same for PWO, then before bed I made a monster: 300ml milk, 3 scoops ice cream, 2 spoons peanut butter, 60g oats, 50g caesin and 10g glutamine... it came out like concrete but was actually really nice... took that right before bed (weak sleeping tablets helped). Prob wasn't healthy, and I put on a little fat... but I also gained muscle and broke my plateau.

Also, I found Max OT routine good for breaking a plateau and bulking, not sure how Max OT is viewed around here but I liked it, let me know if you want a link.

My 2 cents.

**Pkk** · 12-09-2010, 04:24 AM

smashing box could you pm me the link, id like to have a read

im going to try your bed time shake tomorrow night haha sounds crazy

**baseline_9** · 12-09-2010, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Twist

I'm calling Bullshit. You don't eat 4k cals and not gain weight unless you are very close or at your natural limit. Only time I have seen it. Most likely you wanted to do a cycle, someone told you to come here, then you wanted a reason to do a cycle, then you posted a diet that you should be gaining (some sort of) weight at, and now you will do a cycle because you are not gaining on a diet you are not eating.

If you aren't gaining muscle..
You are at or very close to your natural limit
You are not working out correctly
You are not eating the above diet

If you aren't gaining fat...
You are not eating the above diet

BS was my initial feeling when i saw the diet....

Believe it or not im currently eating over 5000 cals a day five days per week, with the other two days around 4000 and have stopped gaining weight and hit a wall at 192ish dry

I did peak at 200 on cycle but have dropped to 192 now that im in my PCT

I am doing no cardio and only lift 4 days per week for 60 mins

It just shows that everything is individual and u need to know what ur body needs to grow and not rely on mathamatical sums....

And BTW all my food choices are good; 5000 cals coming from

Basmati Rice
Potatoe
Oats
Chicken Breast
Flank Steak
Whole eggs
Cottage Cheese
Whey
Milk (in shakes)
Waxi Maize (In PWO shake)

I am also considering begining my 'cut' witht he current diet in place (im at bang on 500 carbs now and maybe drop a few carbs) but just switching some of the food choices around a bit

**smashingbox** · 12-09-2010, 07:03 AM

I actually have the file with the whole routine and info included, pm me your email and I will send through to you.

**Newyorkrockstar** · 12-09-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by smashingbox

I used to have this problem, and only when I ate at 4000-5000kcals did anything change, and I had to cheat and dirty bulk because I just couldnt eat all the food required - 3 shakes a day on top of meals (not the healthiest meals either), first one on waking was 60g straight maltodextrin and 40g whey, same for PWO, then before bed I made a monster: 300ml milk, 3 scoops ice cream, 2 spoons peanut butter, 60g oats, 50g caesin and 10g glutamine... it came out like concrete but was actually really nice... took that right before bed (weak sleeping tablets helped). Prob wasn't healthy, and I put on a little fat... but I also gained muscle and broke my plateau.

Also, I found Max OT routine good for breaking a plateau and bulking, not sure how Max OT is viewed around here but I liked it, let me know if you want a link.

My 2 cents.

did that bedtime shake come out like concrete the same way it went in? lol damn..

**benbean77** · 12-09-2010, 08:26 AM

why would i bull shit about my diet
would have been alot easyer to come on and lie about my age and save my typing it all up.
i think i have hit my limit, as i have liteally not changed in a v.long time.
and btw guys what you think of this programme
monday:arms
tuesday:legs
wednesday:chest
thursday:back
friday:shoulders
hit each bodypart for 3-4 exercises, 3 sets, 10-15 reps
cheers again

**calstate23** · 12-09-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by benbean77

this is beginning to get on my tits.
last 6 months i have been a complete bum as i have been out of work. so basically been, eating (shit loads), training, sleeping. during the days i am eather sat infront of the computer or t.v or if its nice weather out with freinds but this is england. wake up at about 10ish and day begines with breakfast(5 eggs &oats)
eating alot of food. mininim of 6 meals each meal good quality 30g protein. always eating, peanut butter,tuna steaks,beef steaks,chicken legs&breasts,minced beef, shit load of eggs,pasta,potatoes,rice the list goes on and on. i am not gaining any more honestly!! training is good. but if most people sat about doing nothing with my diet they would be f****ing huge&fat. getting a good 10-12 hours sleep a night.
stats
20
6'
85kg
low b,f
i am done with gaining muscle now i feel as i started probally skinnier than most my body has reached its maximum !
any suggestions but really please no one say eat more as honestly i do eat enought.

Hmm Sounds like the old case of thinking you are eating enough, But obviously not. Its really simple actually, eat more calories then you burn and it is physically impossible not to gain weight. So your problem here is you are not eating ENOUGH CALORIES! Sorry, I know you said not to say it but it had to be said because its the truth.

Other important factors include cardio, what you are eating, when you are eating it, and you probably are over training like most people do. Why is all of this important? Well if you're burning 3000 calories a day it might be a little hard to gain weight, right?. If you're over training your limiting muscle growth. If you're only consuming 50 g protein its not any good.

Good tips for gaining weight, increase protein intake to 1.5 to 2 grams protein per pound body weight. Have carbs with every meal and Increase carbs possibly up to 500 g (depending on body weight). Large carb intake before bedtime. 1 1/2 to 2 cups oats with protein shake. Limit cardio and perhaps even no cardio. DO NOT OVER TRAIN! Each muscle should have a good 4 days rest before working again. HEAVY LIFTING!! I do not know why people still to this day think that when they want to "get shredded" they decide to do 15-20 reps. That is absolutely ridiculous! The only reason to increase SLIGHTY, and I mean SLIGHTY during a dieting phase is to prevent injury. Stick in the 6-10 range to watch them muscles grow baby! I like to do 1st set 10, 2nd 8, 3rd 8, 4th 6

And again, this isn't some genetic abnormally you have, you are not gaining weight for a specific reason. I highly suggest you start doing all the above that I typed. Obviously, its pretty short in sweet. It just needs to be broken down which we can do.

**benbean77** · 12-09-2010, 12:00 PM

to be honest how can i possibly eat any more.
u seen the other posts sayin i eat a hell of alot of food!
i am getting easyily 2g protein per lb bodyweight and getting close to 5000 caleries and doing **** all all day apart from training
and if i was over training muscles i would still be puttin on weight from that diet.
i hav done well as for gaining. probally put on close to 2 stone of muscle in 2 years but my body doest want me to change any more.
i feel i am at a stage its time for the test-e to come on out.

**baseline_9** · 12-09-2010, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by benbean77

to be honest how can i possibly eat any more.
u seen the other posts sayin i eat a hell of alot of food!
i am getting easyily 2g protein per lb bodyweight and getting close to 5000 caleries and doing **** all all day apart from training
and if i was over training muscles i would still be puttin on weight from that diet.
i hav done well as for gaining. probally put on close to 2 stone of muscle in 2 years but my body doest want me to change any more.
i feel i am at a stage its time for the test-e to come on out.

The only problem is that if u cant gain weight now then the gear will only provide temporary gains

You eat to maintain an 85kg body, if you hit 100kg on cycle but continue to eat for a 85kg body then u will loose the weight

**mg1228** · 12-09-2010, 02:35 PM

^^^this----u will not hold on to any gains made from aas---sure u will gain while on but within 6 weeks of coming off aas u will lose it all

not worth it--

if u figure out what the problem is---then sure i say "jab away" assuming u have educated yourself with aas

**smashingbox** · 12-09-2010, 03:13 PM

10-15 reps? Definitely give Max OT a try... just the change in routine should give you some new gains I reckon, sounds very familiar to what I used to do. Max OT is good for hard gainers because it focuses on effeciency, getting maximal weights lifted for minimal energy expenditure.

**calstate23** · 12-09-2010, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by benbean77

to be honest how can i possibly eat any more.
u seen the other posts sayin i eat a hell of alot of food!
i am getting easyily 2g protein per lb bodyweight and getting close to 5000 caleries and doing **** all all day apart from training
and if i was over training muscles i would still be puttin on weight from that diet.
i hav done well as for gaining. probally put on close to 2 stone of muscle in 2 years but my body doest want me to change any more.
i feel i am at a stage its time for the test-e to come on out.

Very easy. Eat more. Imagine a 600 lbs person, they are not simply just 600 lbs because of their "Genetics" I can guarantee you. They are easily consuming over 10,000 calories a day and even into 20,000 and 30,000 calories a day. Like I tell all people, I don't care what your genetics are you can gain weight and you can lose weight. If you take a 400 lbs woman who says she can never ever lose weight due to her genetics and starve her for 3 weeks straight she will be twigs and bones. For some reason people think their bodies live in fantasy land or something. Its plain and simple, you eat more then you burn you will gain weight. You burn more then you take it you will lose weight.

And honestly not putting you down but I very very highly doubt you are consuming over 5000 calories day in and day out and your 6ft about 185ish. And if you are telling the truth you have a faster metabolism then a humming bird. Do you honestly think if you consume 10,000 calories a day you will not a gain weight??? Its impossible.