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02-18-2011, 06:20 AM #1Associate Member
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Switch from Cutting to Bulking Diets
Well after 18 months of dieting I've finally hit my goals. Now underweight and with a vacation coming up in about 3 months, I really want to put some weight back on before then. (is it really necessary to say I want this to be lean weight like everyone does every time they mention weight gain, who wants to add fat really)
Anyway going from a calorie deficit to a surplus this week has been lets say uncomfortable and not as fun as I thought it was going to be. With gaining my normal water weight back plus the addition of creatine, I've packed back on about 13 lbs in the last 5 days. This was expected but what I didnt expect was my waist line growing 1.5 inches in a week... Im a bit paranoid about fat gain at this point and really just looking for comfirmation that this is normal. I really didnt expect waist line measurements to change by that much just from water weight.
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02-18-2011, 06:50 AM #2
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02-18-2011, 07:47 AM #3Associate Member
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02-18-2011, 07:55 AM #4Associate Member
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Look going to be frank with you, you have to pretty much decide your goals. If you wanna be a guy who packs on 20-50pounds of dry muscle in 1 year then you have to eat in a 1k surplus. Cause on your off days is when u grow. Alot of people really misjudge the number in which you have to eat for optimal growth. Sit down and decide what goals you are aiming for, and go from there. If I had a choice of being chubby for 2 years, but then 4-5 months shedding the excess and revealing greatness, I would choose chubby. Goodluck
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02-18-2011, 08:27 AM #5
Thats is ur opinion but my opinion is quite the oposite
And most guys would agree with me that u need to gain weight slowly 1 lb per month max if naturall to make good clean gains
And if u tyink u can gain 50 LBS of 'dry muscle' in one year i would love to see you do it
It may be possible for an underweight noob but apart from that it is unlikley
If you are verry yound 15-16 i would say hammer the food big time and get as big as you can for 4-5 years ( eat clean tho )
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02-18-2011, 08:41 AM #6Associate Member
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Guys thanks. Im definitely interested in hearing more of both sides of that opinion about gaining slow/fast. But my main question wasnt really based on that. I was thinking of keeping track of my waistline to judge whether what was gained is going towards fat/mass. Growing 13 lbs and 1.5 inches @ waist in less then a week from what I know must be mainly if not all water sort of shoots that down though. Since water weight goes towards mass, I didnt expect that much size difference at the naval. Am I completly off in my way of thinking?
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02-18-2011, 09:07 AM #7
This is pretty bad advice IMO. Nobody but genetic freaks and the occasional noob are going to naturally put on 20lbs of 'real' muscle in a year, forget about 50. As for 1k surplus, do you think that's a magical number that works for everybody?
A person can achieve slow and steady gains while maintaining or slowly reducing bodyfat... that's what a body recomp is all about.
^ ^ ^ this.
Sergeant, don't worry about the 1.5 inches. Unless you're eating like a madman (and based on your diet, you're not), there is no way you've gained fat like that. For the most part, it's water retention and your stomach holding on to the extra food it's a system shock since you've been in a deficit for so long. Are you feeling very uncomfortable/gassy/bloated?
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02-18-2011, 09:13 AM #8Associate Member
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Oh without a doubt uncomfortable, gassy & bloating....
Again, I know Im just being paranoid and its water weight, just didnt expect an large size difference due to water weight since its supposed to go towards mass...
Congrats again about the pregnancy, is this your first child?
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02-18-2011, 12:00 PM #9Associate Member
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not dry muscle, but water and glycogen as well! More muscle u add the more space your muscle develops for storage. You need to shoot past your goal ripped look by 30-40 pounds. Its the only way not to look like the guy who has been training for 7 years and looks the same as he did five years ago
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02-18-2011, 01:49 PM #10
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02-18-2011, 03:56 PM #11
Your talking out of ur arse
Why would you want to look like a fat bastard for a long duration while to gain muscle?
Ok lets say that your happy to look like a fat bastard who doesnt train for 2 years, you gain a load of weight and then you have to diet down to look half decent
By the time you have dieted down to low BF you will have lost some of the size you have gained
If you simply stay lean and gain good weight then you end up with the same results except u dont look shit for 2 years....
Any added benefit to stacking on the pounds 'in the off season' is short lived because you will loose the benefit when u have to diet down to shape.
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02-18-2011, 03:59 PM #12
Also the body can only utalise a certain surpluss of calories...
500 cals surplus per day will add 1lb of BODYWEIGHT
1000 cals surplus per day will add 2lb of BODYWEIGHT
however the 1000 calorie surplus will not create double the muscle gains, it simply does not work like that
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02-18-2011, 05:27 PM #13
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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