Stay on KETO while on test cycle or reintroduce carbs throughout for maximum results?

[liveinyourbody]

Hey there I've been on a kept cut for last 8 weeks, i am 194lbs @ 8%bf trying to get few % leaner but hold and gain muscle I have. iM GOING ON A 8 WEEK CYCLE OF TEST PROP IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I WAS WONDERING IF I should stay on keto and increase calories a bit while "using" or should I start introducing carbs back into my diet and hit heavy carbs/protein/medium fats?
Any body have exp with this ?

[gbrice75]

What would be the point of running an AAS cycle while on keto? Something tells me you're not 194lbs at 8% bodyfat... just sayin.

[SergeantCarbs]

If your 8% bf and gearing up to start a cycle, theres no need to go any lower in bf. Your already primed.

[liveinyourbody]

I am not saying Im big but yes I am over 6'2 @ 194lbs with 8% bf granted the bf test was done with caliber and averaged after 5 test. Yes I am very lean I started 8-10 weeks ago dieting down in which I started @ 205lbs. I have been using the keto diet protocol and yes it has worked very well for me for the fat loss, I like the diet with out carbs in my diet just fat and protein. Now Im taking test prop and AM WONDERING IF YOU NEED TO HAVE CARBS IN YOUR DIET WHILE ON SOMETHING LIKE TEST or would results be the same from Keto.( i would obviously bump up the cals while using) I just didn't know if AAS works better with carbs in your diet or not... THANKS FOR YOU INPUT!

[SuperLift]

I couldn't even imagine running a cycle without carbs. You said that you are already doing it? Well how is it working out for you? IMO I'd atleast have some intake of carbs. Keto diet is unnatural and unhealthy IMO. Carbs fuel your brain.

[brutesinme]

The brain can run fine on the carbs your body produces from the breakdown of ingested protein. Just gotta make sure you're eating enough protein, though saying that is preaching to the choir here.

[PK-V]

Op would be well interested in CKD (Cyclical Ketogenic Diet)

Carbs are needed! post workout in particular to recover glycogen stores or you'll be having shitty as hell lifting sessions no matter how much cheque drops you taking pre workout

unless your prepping keep some carbs

my .02c's

[gbrice75]

Op would be well interested in CKD (Cyclical Ketogenic Diet)

Carbs are needed! post workout in particular to recover glycogen stores or you'll be having shitty as hell lifting sessions no matter how much cheque drops you taking pre workout

unless your prepping keep some carbs

my .02c's

What CKD allows carbs PWO? Are you thinking of the Palumbo keto diet?

[liveinyourbody]

hey fella's THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR 2 CENTS REALLY! to clear up what I have been doing a little bit. I am doing ckd type of kept, I go 5 days with less than 20 grams carbs then after total body depletion workout on friday night I ingest up to 450g carbs in a 24 hr period until next day (sat) until 24hr is up, then back to kept <20g carbs Sunday-friday again. So I have a reefed once a week. Im thinking with the intensity I am going to be putting into the gym on especially on test I will need some carbs, I think I will just add carbs in before and after workouts and high intensity card sessions... Almost a TKD style kept plan.

Honest to god I always thought kept was bullshit and complete broscience, but after giving it a go I have to say its gotten me the leanest i have ever been with holding 80% of all muscle hill still on calorie deficit. Don't get me wrong its not a miracle style diet but IT DOES WORK.

thanks so much for your guys advice, It all plays a part in my decision making process!

[liveinyourbody]

Only TKD allows carbs post workout, yeah something like the Palumbo diet is what Im thinking...

[SuperLift]

The brain can run fine on the carbs your body produces from the breakdown of ingested protein. Just gotta make sure you're eating enough protein, though saying that is preaching to the choir here.

Define "Fine"

Brain runs off of broken down serum glucose. If your body happens to go to hypoglycemic then damage can occur to the brain or even death in some worse scenarios.

[D7M]

Lots of mis-information in this thread.

Sure you can run a keto type diet while on cycle. I've done it, but my keto diet still incorporates carbs at certain times.

No, you won't gain 25+lbs, but if you want some lean gains, then keep your cals higher (mostly through fat intake), and keeping carbs around pre, post, and even post-post work out meals.

Keto diets when run the right way aren't unhealthy, you certainly won't die from them. LMAO.

[liveinyourbody]

LOL I would hope you don't die from keto type diets, there is a lot of hate for using fat over carbs as the bodies main energy source, personally I have felt leaner and stronger since on kept. Thanks ^^D7M , I will surely incorporate moderate carbs before workout and high carb meals back to back after workout, then rest of my energy throughout days and off days will come from "fat". I will be running a log throughout whole cycle and will keep updated on results/progress. Think I am going with short burst cycle of test prop Ive heard great results-less sides from these "burst".

[jimmyinkedup]

A true keto diet your carb intake would be as low as possible. Most recommend under 25g/day if possible and spread out at that. . Even pre or post workout intake of carbs can knock you out of ketosis if you arent careful. If you take in carbs post work out like normal..chances are you are not staying in ketosis and simply doing a low carb diet....not a keto diet. You cant dance in and out of ketosis..it takes time to reenter a ketogenic state. How many carbs you can take in varies person to person ..same can take in as many as 80 grams/day and be in a slight ketogenic state. Even these poeple cannot take those carbs in all at once. To suggest this is a deadly diet is ridiulous. Just to show a rational analogy ..if that were the case everyone that has done phase one of atkins of phase one of south beach would be dead. You can buy keto test strips to use to monitor if and how deeply into ketosis you are. I have run a keto diet many times on cycle. The ability to drop weight quickly and maintain muscle mass of this diet is benficial for many people. This benfit is merely enhanced when taking anabolics.
I personally do 6 days as low carb intake as possible (believe it or not i can go under 15/day consistantly) then i do a 24hr carb load. 1st meal of this is high gi carb wityh protein. The rest is quality carbs and protein. Fat during this 24hr period is kept as low as possible. I also usually adjust my workout as well.

[kodyt21]

[QUOTE=jimmyinkedup;5536327]A true keto diet your carb intake would be as low as possible. Most recommend under 25g/day if possible and spread out at that. . Even pre or post workout intake of carbs can knock you out of ketosis if you arent careful. If you take in carbs post work out like normal..chances are you are not staying in ketosis and simply doing a low carb diet....not a keto diet. You cant dance in and out of ketosis..it takes time to reenter a ketogenic state. How many carbs you can take in varies person to person ..same can take in as many as 80 grams/day and be in a slight ketogenic state. Even these poeple cannot take those carbs in all at once. To suggest this is a deadly diet is ridiulous. Just to show a rational analogy ..if that were the case everyone that has done phase one of atkins of phase one of south beach would be dead. You can buy keto test strips to use to monitor if and how deeply into ketosis you are. I have run a keto diet many times on cycle. The ability to drop weight quickly and maintain muscle mass of this diet is benficial for many people. This benfit is merely enhanced when taking anabolics.
I personally do 6 days as low carb intake as possible (believe it or not i can go under 15/day consistantly) then i do a 24hr carb load. 1st meal of this is high gi carb wityh protein. The rest is quality carbs and protein. Fat during this 24hr period is kept as low as possible. I also usually adjust my workout as well.[/Q

[SuperLift]

Lots of mis-information in this thread.

Sure you can run a keto type diet while on cycle. I've done it, but my keto diet still incorporates carbs at certain times.

No, you won't gain 25+lbs, but if you want some lean gains, then keep your cals higher (mostly through fat intake), and keeping carbs around pre, post, and even post-post work out meals.

Keto diets when run the right way aren't unhealthy, you certainly won't die from them. LMAO.

i didnt say that a keto diet will kill you. i said that if one becomes hypoglycemic then a side effect can be death.

[SuperLift]

So pretty much to answer the original post, if you want to gain muscle then it would probably benefit you to consume more carbs. And like D7M said, consume them around breakfast, pre, during, and post. Its still possible to loose weight while eating carbs. What is your cardio/weight training program lookin like?

[liveinyourbody]

I have been cutting pre contest style for 8 9 weeks. On calorie deficit of 2100 cals, training is usually 5 days a week, I have been on a loose program so to say, what isn't sore I train it that day, usually upper, lower, cardio/abs/ rest, back to upper, lower again..looking for a new routine set...one body part a day doesn't work for me, I never recover fast enough to give my best on next day. I train insane always heavy weight, very little rest. Cardio has been 5 days a week 45 mins low steady state cardio usually fasted on liquid aminos/bcaas sometimes intake 25 g protien shake before. I have very active lifestyle out side of gym I am a trainer and also teach boot campclasses ,climb mountains, canoe, basketball, football etc. So I'm very active, I think I will cycle my carbs in a 3 low, 1 high fashion, and just focus carbs mourning, pre, post...them cut them out switch to greens after say 2 clock. Thanks for the advice and comments guys.

[SuperLift]

Wow I don't know how u do it and eat so little! Seems like you have a pretty active lifestyle! Props to ya my friend