is fruit bad to have when cutting ?

[hillbill78]

when trying to cut b,f levels from 14-16% down to 8-10% should you avoid eating many fruits ?? like just then i ate blueberris,strawberris & blackberris not even with anything added but feel i shouldt have. what you guys think?? as i really love fruits but should i cut them out to achive my goals ??
cheers

[vishus]

i had fruits in my diet the first 5 weeks of my diet in my first meal, i wouldnt have any more than that if ur trying to preserve muscle and burn fat. post ur current diet

[JohnnyVegas]

I am not expert, and others with more valuable opinions will post, but I avoid fruit as it is primarily sugar.

[hillbill78]

meal 1:
1 scoop optinum nutrition gold whey protein (25g)
3 egg whites
1 cup oats
blended with half a pint skimmed milk

meal 2:
1 large chicken breast
1/3 bag mixed green salad

meal 3:
post workout ( 50g whey proetin )

meal 4:
tin of tuna
5 boiled new potatoes

meal 5:
eather salmon,beef,chicken or turkey
4 heads of brocoli
4 or 5 mushrooms

meal 6:
cup of cottage cheese

BED

what you think

its only sometimes i have a glass of orange juice, or mixed fruit salads.

[Damienm05]

I think some fruit in the AM is fine for any cutting diet as it's highly nutritious and low-calorie. However, all sugar, including fruit should be cut if you notice fat loss is stalling and/or you start getting to a very low bf% where all calories need to be pure energy/protein.

Blueberries are great, so are apples - very low GI but still, a good bit of sugar that will likely not even achieve the goal of replenishing muscle glycogen effectively. Pineapple and Bananas are decent - not good for an ambitious cut though. However, raspberries, blackberries, and strawberries have almost no natural sugar - just fiber and water. Eat them.

[hillbill78]

cheers damien
wht you think of the diet now then ??

[Windex]

meal 1:
1 scoop optinum nutrition gold whey protein (25g)
3 egg whites
1 cup oats
blended with half a pint skimmed milk

meal 2:
1 large chicken breast
1/3 bag mixed green salad

meal 3:
post workout ( 50g whey proetin )

meal 4:
tin of tuna
5 boiled new potatoes

meal 5:
eather salmon,beef,chicken or turkey
4 heads of brocoli
4 or 5 mushrooms

meal 6:
cup of cottage cheese

BED

what you think

its only sometimes i have a glass of orange juice, or mixed fruit salads.

Fruit is a simple sugar and will get used up very quickly so not only will it not be beneficial to reach your goals, you will probably feel like you have less energy in between meals where as complex carbs slowly digest and give you sustained energy. I would NEVER drink ANY juice. It's just as bad as alcohol in my opinion. Juice is simply liquid carbs & calories with no real benefit. In my opinion, cut fruit out entirely, grab a good multivitamin, then when you reach your goal, eat in fruit in moderation, just like everything else.

If you want flavor instead of drinking juiice buy an orange and slice it really thin and drop a few pieces in a cold glass of water with ice. Tastes great and no cals or sugar.

[Swifto]

Why should fruit or vegetables be a problem as a carb source if your also taking in protein/fats in the same meal? Fruits on their own can be detrimental, but with PRO/F, I dont think so.

[Swifto]

I think some fruit in the AM is fine for any cutting diet as it's highly nutritious and low-calorie. However, all sugar, including fruit should be cut if you notice fat loss is stalling and/or you start getting to a very low bf% where all calories need to be pure energy/protein.

Blueberries are great, so are apples - very low GI but still, a good bit of sugar that will likely not even achieve the goal of replenishing muscle glycogen effectively. Pineapple and Bananas are decent - not good for an ambitious cut though. However, raspberries, blackberries, and strawberries have almost no natural sugar - just fiber and water. Eat them.

I missed this before posting about fruits.

I eat fruits a lot now and more vegetables, replacing some of my carb sources. Feel so much better and getting in so much more in the way of vitamins and minerals.

A lot of people are shit scared of fruits for one reason or another.

[Damienm05]

^^ yup - people see it as black and white. I used to also. The fact is, it's not like that - fruit is fine but like anything else, it's consumption must be manipulated based on your goals and fit into your macros. I eat tons of fresh fruit when I'm just maintaining - nobody gets fat that way.

[Narkissos]

Why should fruit or vegetables be a problem as a carb source if your also taking in protein/fats in the same meal? Fruits on their own can be detrimental, but with PRO/F, I dont think so.

Agreed 100%

I get tired seeing people listing GI... as if they've never heard of GL.

Hardly anyone here consumes fruits or other carb sources alone... so GI matters less.

[Narkissos]

I eat fruits a lot now and more vegetables, replacing some of my carb sources.

I eat this way as well. I was never big on a number of starches (as ppl are allergic to a lot of 'em... that, or the lignans in some have unfavorable cosmetic effects). Tubers, fruits, vegetables... rice. Those are my carb sources.

[gbrice75]

I do agree about avoiding fruit juice all together. Do you know how many oranges you'd have to eat to get 8oz of OJ? Plus, alot of the time the fiber is removed, essentially leaving you with a glass of sugar and not much more. =\

[FireGuy]

Agreed 100%

I get tired seeing people listing GI... as if they've never heard of GL.
Hardly anyone here consumes fruits or other carb sources alone... so GI matters less.

I hit on this on a thread awhile back. Way too many people get hung up on Glycemic Index and dont pay nearly enough attention to Glycogen Load.

[Narkissos]

I hit on this on a thread awhile back. Way too many people get hung up on Glycemic Index and dont pay nearly enough attention to Glycogen Load.

Exactly.

[M302_Imola]

I have had great sucess cutting while consuming fruits. I normally have 1/2 banana with my 1st meal and 1/2 with my pwo meal...like anything else, MOTERATION!

[Damienm05]

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm is my typical reference for GI value/load. In most cases, there is a strong correlation, lol.

[Narkissos]

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm is my typical reference for GI value/load. In most cases, there is a strong correlation, lol.

No offense... but you clearly do not understand what you're looking at.

Again... from my above post: "Hardly anyone here consumes fruits or other carb sources alone".

While the site lists the GL of food... it does not list what the GL shifts to when the food being discussed here is combined with other foods.

i.e. in a typical meal, you won't pound a handful of apples... or a slice of bread... would you?

[Damienm05]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree...

[MuttonChop]

Sucrose after a workout while cutting actually will help you as it goes to your muscle to replenish glycogen stores and give the muscles a nice full look.

Fructose is the main culprit here. Fructose mainly goes to your liver, and after your liver is full, the extra fructose will get converted to fat.

Most fruits have both sucrose and fructose. Research the fruits that have more sucrose than fructose and eat them.

As people mentioned above, everything in moderation. A few fruits will not fill up your liver that fast, so you'll be fine.

[kalspic]

No offense... but you clearly do not understand what you're looking at.

Again... from my above post: "Hardly anyone here consumes fruits or other carb sources alone".

While the site lists the GL of food... it does not list what the GL shifts to when the food being discussed here is combined with other foods.

i.e. in a typical meal, you won't pound a handful of apples... or a slice of bread... would you?

where would we find this info or figure out how it shifts.

would it just be simple math or is there a more complex formula to figuring it out?

[Buddhabody]

Good debate, I try to have a green apple in the morning and possibly post workout, is this a bad thing? I'm going to sound stupid and I'm a newbie but I used to love orange juice........I guess I will go home and through that away too......lol

[gbrice75]

Personally, I prefer berries over fruit, but that's just me.

[Swifto]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree...

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

[gbrice75]

While the site lists the GL of food... it does not list what the GL shifts to when the food being discussed here is combined with other foods.

Nark, are you aware of any studies that do discuss this shift? I have been researching for something solid, but to no avail so far.

[RaginCajun]

just want to bump this thread as i have been eating a lot of fruit as a carb source as well. i cut out all grains and dairy for the most part. and to what GB was pointing at, any good articles? what is this 'shift' that Nark is speaking of, enlighten me?

[Lunacy]

just want to bump this thread as i have been eating a lot of fruit as a carb source as well. i cut out all grains and dairy for the most part. and to what GB was pointing at, any good articles? what is this 'shift' that Nark is speaking of, enlighten me?

Cajun,

Glad you brought this back up, interesting topic. You cut out all grains for fruit? How is this working for you? Energy levels the same?

[RaginCajun]

my energy levels are the same as to when i was eating oats. i do notice that i do feel somewhat better by eating fresh fruits, could be placebo or the little extra vitamins. i found in the beginning (start of june) that i was consuming too much fruit and not enough fibrous veggies so i tapered it down some. i am missing the oats and milk though, especially the oatmeal pancakes i would make for breakfast, but eating eggs, meat, and fruit make it up for it. i wasn't totally strict with it on the weekends but overall, no difference in my overall energy level. i have a woman that i know from back home (old high teacher) that never eats any starchy carbs and she is ripped to shreds, and used to teach aerobics. i think it is all a numbers game so if you can fit it into your numbers, then go for it and see how your body reacts. i am still tinkering with it but feel great!