test e cycle diet

[gthom47]

i am 27, 5' 7" 165-170 lbs and going to start a test e cycle in july. i have been doing a very clean bulk at about 300cal above maintenance and eating 2550cal a day 250g carbs 230g protein and 70g fat.

should this diet change at all for when i go on cycle?

[chrisworrell]

I am far from the first you would want to take diet advice on but honestly, I think I can speak for most that it would be more beneficial if you were to actually list out your diet meal by meal. The different types of proteins, carbs, and fats are important, especially when you are looking at a cycle. As well as the specifics of the cycle you are planning, 500/week 750/week? A proper diet in my opinion for a cycle is more than just the total amount of macros, but the amounts you are getting at different times of the day.

[wantaesthetics]

New here and I had a similar question but this is my understanding from some studies I have seen on protein intake etc while on test: You can essentially bulk at a far greater number than 300+ because of increased protein synthesis (along with consuming more pro ofc) and w.e other mechanism are involved when you inject synthetic test.

Now im not sure what that number is, perhaps 750+ perhaps 1k+ or perhaps 1.5k+ which is what I made a thread to find out. IMO it might depend on the person but in general yes you should eat more food in general to maximize any potential benefit from the increased testosterone .

[gthom47]

I am far from the first you would want to take diet advice on but honestly, I think I can speak for most that it would be more beneficial if you were to actually list out your diet meal by meal. The different types of proteins, carbs, and fats are important, especially when you are looking at a cycle. As well as the specifics of the cycle you are planning, 500/week 750/week? A proper diet in my opinion for a cycle is more than just the total amount of macros, but the amounts you are getting at different times of the day.

the cycle is 500mg test e a week, injecting on monday and thursday, with a-dex on hand in case of gyno at .5mg EOD.
diet is this:

Meal 1: Breakfast
3 egg whites- 12g protein
2 pieces whole wheat toast- 34g carb 10g protein 2g fat
2tbsp peanut butter- 14g carb 8g protein 12g fat
2 cups milk- 24g carb 16g protein
cereal w/milk- 30gcarb 6g protein 2g fat

total- 102g carb, 52g protein, 16g fat
i know people will rag on me for not having whole eggs and say i should replace toast w/pb with oats but this really gets me fueled and ready for the day, especially since i wake up starving every morning

Meal 2: Lunch
4oz grilled chicken- 25g protein
whole wheat wrap- 25g carb 5g protein 5g fat
mayonnaise- 20g fat

total- 25g carb 30g protein 25 g fat

Meal 3: Pre-workout
1/2 cup oats- 24g carb 5g protein 3g fat
protein shake- 4g carb 27g protein 2g fat

total- 28g carb 32g protein 5g fat

WORKOUT

Meal 4: Post-workout
protein shake- 8g carb 54g protein 4g fat
milk-24g carb 16g protein
granola bar- 18g carb 1g protein 2g fat

total-50g carb 71g protein 6g fat

Meal 5: Dinner
6oz grilled chicken- 38g protein
2oz pasta- 34g carbs 7g protein 1g fat
sauce- 7g carbs 1 g protein 3 g fat
broccoli(or other veg)- 6/3/0

total- 47g carb 61g protein 4 g fat

Meal 6: Pre-bed
1tbsp fish oil- 14g fat

DAILY TOTAL- 252g carbs, 234g protein, 70g fat
calories intake- 2575

thats a good general outline for how my meals are throughout the day, occasionally changing depending on what is going on in the day. usually stays around good clean foods like that though.

[Windex]

the cycle is 500mg test e a week, injecting on monday and thursday, with a-dex on hand in case of gyno at .5mg EOD.
diet is this:

Meal 1: Breakfast
3 egg whites- 12g protein
2 pieces whole wheat toast- 34g carb 10g protein 2g fat Replace with Oats or Sweet Potato
2tbsp peanut butter- 14g carb 8g protein 12g fat
2 cups milk- 24g carb 16g protein Cut milk, add water
cereal w/milk- 30gcarb 6g protein 2g fat Cereal is GARBAGE - your eating basically refined sugar, trash it.

total- 102g carb, 52g protein, 16g fat
i know people will rag on me for not having whole eggs and say i should replace toast w/pb with oats but this really gets me fueled and ready for the day, especially since i wake up starving every morning It's not just about quantity, you need quality foods. I could go all day off protein powder mixed with water and Snicker Bars for carbs and fat, I'd never look as good as someone who made better food choices. You need to consider your health as well.

Meal 2: Lunch
4oz grilled chicken- 25g protein
whole wheat wrap- 25g carb 5g protein 5g fat Drop this, get a complex carbohydrate source: Beans, Lentils, Chickpeas, Brown Rice, Oats, etc.
mayonnaise- 20g fat Worst condiment in my opinion. If you need flavor look to spices or mustard.

total- 25g carb 30g protein 25 g fat

Meal 3: Pre-workout
1/2 cup oats- 24g carb 5g protein 3g fat
protein shake- 4g carb 27g protein 2g fat

total- 28g carb 32g protein 5g fat

WORKOUT

Meal 4: Post-workout
protein shake- 8g carb 54g protein 4g fat
milk-24g carb 16g protein Replace with water
granola bar- 18g carb 1g protein 2g fat NEVER. Even a protein bar is used in an emergency situation only.

total-50g carb 71g protein 6g fat

Meal 5: Dinner
6oz grilled chicken- 38g protein
2oz pasta- 34g carbs 7g protein 1g fat For that little pasta your better off adding a higher quantity of a complex carb.
sauce- 7g carbs 1 g protein 3 g fat What kind of sauce ? If it's just a basic tomato sauce/jus your probably fine.
broccoli(or other veg)- 6/3/0 Good, go crazy here

total- 47g carb 61g protein 4 g fat

Meal 6: Pre-bed
1tbsp fish oil- 14g fat You need some casein before bed. When you sleep your body is fasting. Casein is a slow-digesting protein so you able to keep going (think energizer bunny) even when your asleep. Cottage Cheese, Quark Cheese (if your from Europe) or a casein Powder.

DAILY TOTAL- 252g carbs, 234g protein, 70g fat
calories intake- 2575

thats a good general outline for how my meals are throughout the day, occasionally changing depending on what is going on in the day. usually stays around good clean foods like that though.

Hold off on cycling, you have some work to do with your diet first. Responses in bold. You want to put on lean muscle mass not tons of fat, and you want to be able to keep your gains as much as possible, so a strict, optimal, diet is key. I'd highly recommend reading the stickies so you get the general concept of good vs. bad food choices. Also, I posted a thread entitled "Compiled Nutritional & Diet Information" --> The two articles "10 Cheapest Sources of Protein" and "10 Food You Probably Thought Were Healthy But Aren't" should be very beneficial.

[Windex]

Also, here is a template of a fairly clean, well balanced diet (My purpose is cutting so my cals are lower). I do have limitations unfortunately due to food allergies and I work with what I go so it's by no means perfect but it might help you get on track. Gbrice / Tbody / FireGuy have excellent diets that I believe they've posted in their logs to check out as well, which will be significantly better than mine.

Protein / Carbs / Fat / Total Calories:

Meal 1: 8:00am

4 Cups Spinach
1 Tbsp EVOO 0/0/14/120
1 AnimalPak 3/2/0/20
1 Tsp Balsamic Vinegar 0/4/0/16
100g Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast 24/0/1/100

Totals: 30/6/15/256

Meal 2: 10:00am

7 Oz Yam 3/35/0/150
225g Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast 54/0/2.25/225
1 Tbsp EVOO 0/0/14/120

Total: 57/35/16.25/495

Meal 3: 1:00pm

125g Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast 30/0/1.25/125
1 Tbsp EVOO 0/0/14/120

Total: 30/0/15.25/245

Meal 4: 4:00pm

1 AnimalPak 3/2/0/20
3 Oz 100% Lean Ground Beef 26.5/0/0/103
1/4 Cup Brown Rice: 4/34/1.5/160
1/2 Cup Tomato Sauce/Juice

Total: 33.5/36/1.5/283

Meal 5: 7:00pm (Pre-Workout)

1 Scoops Myofusion 25/5/3/147
1/4 Cup Organic Rolled Oats 8/33.5/3.2/192

Total: 33/38.5/6.2/339

8:00 - 9:00 Workout, 9:00 - 9:30 CARDIO

Meal 6: 9:30pm (Post Workout)

1 Scoops ON 100% Whey 24/4/1/120
1/4 Cup Organic Rolled Oats 8/33.5/3.2/192
5g of Creatine mixed into shake

Total: 32/37.5/4.2/312

Meal 7: 10:30pm

1 Scoop MuscleMilk 100% Casein [Mixed with Water] : 25/2/0.5/110

Total: 25/2/0.5/110

Grand Totals: 240.5/155/58/2040
53% Protein, 34% Carbs, 13% Fat.

In addition, I drink ~6 Liters of water a day.

[gthom47]

yea granola bar is usually an absolute last resort. i know my breakfast is adviced to be changed but i feel like it works great for giving me energy in the morning. same for lunch, i dont usually do the wrap but that was the closest thing i could think of to put down to get close to macros numbers. i will usually do lentils, or a side of rice with more broccoli and chicken. the pasta with dinner is whole wheat and the sauce is just plain tomato sauce.

back to my original question though, do i need to change the general macro breakdown for when im on cycle?

[Windex]

yea granola bar is usually an absolute last resort. i know my breakfast is adviced to be changed but i feel like it works great for giving me energy in the morning. same for lunch, i dont usually do the wrap but that was the closest thing i could think of to put down to get close to macros numbers. i will usually do lentils, or a side of rice with more broccoli and chicken. the pasta with dinner is whole wheat and the sauce is just plain tomato sauce.

back to my original question though, do i need to change the general macro breakdown for when im on cycle?

What is your TDEE and Bodyfat % ? The macros may or may not be optimal (you could have too much fat and not enough protein I would guestimate). I won't give you the wrong information in that regard but one of the vets would be able to assess that issue better. However, the most important part is your choice of food and you have several poor food choices. You will gain nothing out of taking Testosterone by eating the above. You simply won't have the energy to do heavier weights. You might "feel" like you have enough energy now, but what happens when you tack on another 50 - 80 pounds to deadlift or Squat or Bench Press ?

[gthom47]

i am about 13% body fat. the calculators i have give me different numbers and my experience bulking has given me difference answers. i calculated my BMR to be 1815cal and was bulking with 2550cal a day. last time i bulked i was doing 3100cal a day and over 20 weeks i gained 34 lbs. so that is gaining +1.7lbs a week which multiplied by 3500 is +5950cal a week. divide that by 7 and its +850cal a day. so 3100- 850 is 2250 so then add 300 cal to that for my daily intake is 2550 cal a day for a really clean bulk.