water

[bigbossofdariver]

how much is too much water?

[38jumper38]

there is not too much, more is better.

[FireGuy]

^^Suggest you Google Hyponatremia.

[scotty51312]

to much water can be deadly, fireguy can probably explain the mechanics of it better than i can, but it has something to do with lowering your sodium and electrolyte levels to a point that can be deadly. I tell people 1-1.5oz per day per lb of bodyweight for a 200lb guy that comes out to about a 1.5-2galons a day.

[brad1986]

sombody at my local radio station died of water intoxication during a prize winning game/contest on the radio show on who could drink the most and not pee.haha stupid game but lady died trying to win her family a nintendo wii. no wee for wii!!

[FireGuy]

^^You did a fine job of summarizing it without me!

[PK-V]

Personally I think this drink 2 gallons a day stuff is BS

You will only be pissing all day long drinking that much

Your body will use ADH to regulate the amount of water you hold regardless

Little to no difference between 3 glasses and 3 gallons a day

[FireGuy]

Personally I think this drink 2 gallons a day stuff is BS

You will only be pissing all day long drinking that much

Your body will use ADH to regulate the amount of water you hold regardless

Little to no difference between 3 glasses and 3 gallons a day

That may well be the most ignorant and ill informed statement I have read on here all month, no wait all year.

[PK-V]

Ok I was a little bit drastic to get my point across



Show me the studies that prove benefits to drinking overmaintance for your body

Your body will regulate it's water content to keep homeostasis regardless of how much you drink

Let's not start brining dehydration and other external factors into play

Just enough to reach surplus avoiding dehydration vs 2 gallons over maintenance has no benefits



We were built for survival, you think we were sitting around drinking water all back in the stone age?

[FireGuy]

I didn't highlight the area of your statement regarding regulation.

[scotty51312]

dehydration to the smallest degree can decrease performance,
Water also aids in digestion, and bowel movements.

Not to mention that cold water has negative calories, yes negative calories. Our bodies spend a percentage of our TDEE regulating temperature, by introducing and endothermic source like cold water, the body works harder to maintain temperature.

Other studies show that not enough water can lead to joint problems as the synovial fluid in joints is composed of mainly water.

Lots of reason for staying well hydrated IMHO

[PK-V]

I wasn't trying to insinuate that water has no beneficiaries, that's common knowledge

I acknowledged my analogy of 3 glasses vs 3 gallons was an inaccurate analogy of the situation, but

were talking about drinking at maintenance (aka meeting the min requirements) vs 1 and a 1/2 gallons over maintenance

zero difference

/thread

[gbrice75]

We were built for survival, you think we were sitting around drinking water all back in the stone age?

I think the OP's question has been answered or at least elaborated on, so I don't mean to hijack the thread, but DAMNIT this ^^ keeps popping up for me (about being built for survival, not specifically about water) and I had to comment on it.

This logic is one of the arguments against the 6-8 meals/day lifestyle. Not saying frequent meals is wrong, but there are those who say you MUST eat that way to achieve results. We went out and hunted food, for hours and hours, and didn't stop to eat (granted, maybe some berries, nuts, etc but I doubt anything substantial). We found the food, feasted, and started the process over again.

My point being we evolved as fuel storage machines, and to use those stores to fuel our activities. With that in mind, it would almost seem unnatural to eat frequently. I'm back to 3 meals/day (IF dieting) and loving it... loving the huge meals, and loving my freedom from being enslaved to constant cooking/eating/thinking about food. Ok, getting off my soapbox now!

[PK-V]

I think the OP's question has been answered or at least elaborated on, so I don't mean to hijack the thread, but DAMNIT this ^^ keeps popping up for me (about being built for survival, not specifically about water) and I had to comment on it.

This logic is one of the arguments against the 6-8 meals/day lifestyle. Not saying frequent meals is wrong, but there are those who say you MUST eat that way to achieve results. We went out and hunted food, for hours and hours, and didn't stop to eat (granted, maybe some berries, nuts, etc but I doubt anything substantial). We found the food, feasted, and started the process over again.

My point being we evolved as fuel storage machines, and to use those stores to fuel our activities. With that in mind, it would almost seem unnatural to eat frequently. I'm back to 3 meals/day (IF dieting) and loving it... loving the huge meals, and loving my freedom from being enslaved to constant cooking/eating/thinking about food. Ok, getting off my soapbox now!

I used to be that kid, the broscientists would say
"Bro, you gotta slam 40-60 grams of waxy maize plus 20 grams of BCAA within 7 seconds of finishing your last set of squat rack curls. Otherwise, you'll go straight catabolic."

that article by martin on lean gains hit home

looking forward to starting some IF

[gbrice75]

I used to be that kid, the broscientists would say
"Bro, you gotta slam 40-60 grams of waxy maize plus 20 grams of BCAA within 7 seconds of finishing your last set of squat rack curls. Otherwise, you'll go straight catabolic."

that article by martin on lean gains hit home

looking forward to starting some IF

^ ^ love this!!

[Buddhabody]

I have a water bottle that measures out to a liter and when I work overnights I try to drink 4-5 in a overnight shift. Also when I'm at home I drink a few 8oz cups and while working out at the gym I drink from my water container, I believe it measures out to 30oz so I drink 4-5 of those. I've never felt that I'm drinking too much water.

[akshay317]

ok, heres a different view on things. i dont know how much it could be helpful or accurate or even directly related to drinking water but this is my observation.

my father, mother , my fathers mum and dad, almost all his brothers and sisters have diabetes. and one thing thats common among all of them is that they barely drink any water. i havent seen my dad drink more than 2 or 3 glasses of water in a day in 25 years. oh did i mention he had kidney stones?

i was the same and drank very little water, i dont know how much it contributed to my previous acidity problems i also held a lot of water weight but after i started to drink about 2 to 2.5 litres of water everyday i started feeling good.i dont get acidity or other digestive problems. im slowly increasing this upto 4 to 4.5 liters a day. i dont mind going to have to pee once every hour when the alternate is dehydrated kidney/stone, poor digestion and other health problems.

to me drinking 3 liters has got to be the bare minimum just to avoid long term health problems.

[Buddhabody]

^^^^^^agreed

[hairygary]

I remember seeing something on bbc television about girls drinking 8 glasses of water a day, because that is what you always hear is the right amount. These girls had been drinking that much for a while, but then they stopped and only drank when they were thirsty. After two weeks, a doctor gave them a physical and could not find any change.

I think drinking water is overhyped. Not to say that it isn't important, but I think the amounts are exaggerated. In my opinion it is more important to avoid sodas and coffee, energy drinks, alcohol etc. Also the type of water you drink is important. Distilled is the most pure and what I prefer.

I think it is good to have a water source with you at all times, and just sip throughout the day, but forcing 2 gallons down and pissing like a racehorse doesn't appeal to common sense. Having to urinate more than 5-7 times a day just seems excessive.

That being said, I am no doctor and that is just my humble 2 cents.

[Twist]

I'm gonna talk about the survival aspect of this thread because the water thing is common sense and not interesting...

Yes, we are built for survival, but we are not trying to survive anymore. We are trying to grow our bodies in ways they are not meant to grow. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. That being said, if you can grasp the concept of homeostasis/equilibrium and that we were built to survive, everything else can be made sense of. If newbs would get this, really UNDERSTAND these concepts, everything makes sense. From dieting to water to training to gear to muscle/fat mass, homeostasis and "survival" are at the core to each and every issue.

[FireGuy]

I remember seeing something on bbc television about girls drinking 8 glasses of water a day, because that is what you always hear is the right amount. These girls had been drinking that much for a while, but then they stopped and only drank when they were thirsty. After two weeks, a doctor gave them a physical and could not find any change.

I think drinking water is overhyped. Not to say that it isn't important, but I think the amounts are exaggerated. In my opinion it is more important to avoid sodas and coffee, energy drinks, alcohol etc. Also the type of water you drink is important. Distilled is the most pure and what I prefer.

I think it is good to have a water source with you at all times, and just sip throughout the day, but forcing 2 gallons down and pissing like a racehorse doesn't appeal to common sense. Having to urinate more than 5-7 times a day just seems excessive.

That being said, I am no doctor and that is just my humble 2 cents.

Again, you are comparing the hydration needs of teen girls to those of competitive bodybuilders? We probably have at least double the lean body mass and consume over twice as many calories as the people you are comparing us to. I know for a fact I sweat out well over 64oz (8 glasses of water) during my leg workout and subsequent cardio session alone.

I'm gonna talk about the survival aspect of this thread because the water thing is common sense and not interesting...

Yes, we are built for survival, but we are not trying to survive anymore. We are trying to grow our bodies in ways they are not meant to grow. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. That being said, if you can grasp the concept of homeostasis/equilibrium and that we were built to survive, everything else can be made sense of. If newbs would get this, really UNDERSTAND these concepts, everything makes sense. From dieting to water to training to gear to muscle/fat mass, homeostasis and "survival" are at the core to each and every issue.

Most excellent post Twist.

[gbrice75]

Yes, we are built for survival, but we are not trying to survive anymore. We are trying to grow our bodies in ways they are not meant to grow. So you are really comparing apples to oranges.

Most excellent post Twist.

I should have been more clear with what I was getting at. I am not talking about growth, bulking, or making gains as the primary goal. I was aiming more at the dieting down aspect of this lifestyle. The mantra's of 'eat every 3 hours or you'll go into starvation mode' and that kind of mindset that is so readily accepted by everyone, most of the time without question. This is where we need to look back at our evolution and then realize how silly the idea sounds. There is plenty of science to back it all up.
It may be better for the 'average joe' who doesn't know jack about nutrition and needs to be on a 'small meal' schedule because he can't control himself otherwise, but for people who know what they're doing with regards to nutrition (and can avoid overeating, regardless of it being in 1 meal or 8), I believe it matters not. For a person interested in a straight cut or even body recomp, I believe history can teach some valuable lessons.

As for making gains, the jury is still out (in my mind) and frequent feedings may make better sense, although 3000 calories is 3000 calories, in 3 hours or 24, in 1 meal or 8. It's not like your body waits until the end of the day to add everything up. I am not 100% decided on this yet, but I will make one argument. Forget about early man and survival. Let's look at Roman soldiers... now we're only talking roughly 2000 years ago, not millions of years. These guys are always portrayed as lean and muscular. It is a fact that they sat down to a huge feast in the evening, that was their 'meal for the day'. Do you think these guys stopped every 3 hours to slam a protein shake so they could keep feeding their muscles? Of course not, yet they achieved a lean and muscular build. Digestion is a slow process during which amino's are released all throughout; it's not as if you eat, a huge dump of amino's occurs immediately, and then an hour later (or even several hours later) there are no amino's present. That's what supplement companies would love people to believe though.

I'm being somewhat facetious with my Roman soldier analogy, and I will concede that as far as I know they weren't bodybuilders per se; all i'm saying is it would appear appreciable gains ARE achievable via other methods of diet vs. the 'norm'.

[FireGuy]

^^I didnt think your analogy was off base and was referring more to the hydration demands than I was the 3 meal concept. Couple points about your post. I think the key word as about the Romans is "portrayed" they may have been 150lbs soaking wet for all we know.
I do agree with the concept about the fallacy of the amino acid dump. This is why I think the red meat or casein protein prior to bed is way overated. Someone PM'd me about it the other day and while it's not a bad idea I told him it's not like your body is going to run out of it's amino acid reserves at 2am and start eating away muscle while you sleep if you had whey or egg whites as the last meal of the day.

[SlimmerMe]

I should have been more clear with what I was getting at. I am not talking about growth, bulking, or making gains as the primary goal. I was aiming more at the dieting down aspect of this lifestyle. The mantra's of 'eat every 3 hours or you'll go into starvation mode' and that kind of mindset that is so readily accepted by everyone, most of the time without question. This is where we need to look back at our evolution and then realize how silly the idea sounds. There is plenty of science to back it all up.
It may be better for the 'average joe' who doesn't know jack about nutrition and needs to be on a 'small meal' schedule because he can't control himself otherwise, but for people who know what they're doing with regards to nutrition (and can avoid overeating, regardless of it being in 1 meal or 8), I believe it matters not. For a person interested in a straight cut or even body recomp, I believe history can teach some valuable lessons.

As for making gains, the jury is still out (in my mind) and frequent feedings may make better sense, although 3000 calories is 3000 calories, in 3 hours or 24, in 1 meal or 8. It's not like your body waits until the end of the day to add everything up. I am not 100% decided on this yet, but I will make one argument. Forget about early man and survival. Let's look at Roman soldiers... now we're only talking roughly 2000 years ago, not millions of years. These guys are always portrayed as lean and muscular. It is a fact that they sat down to a huge feast in the evening, that was their 'meal for the day'. Do you think these guys stopped every 3 hours to slam a protein shake so they could keep feeding their muscles? Of course not, yet they achieved a lean and muscular build. Digestion is a slow process during which amino's are released all throughout; it's not as if you eat, a huge dump of amino's occurs immediately, and then an hour later (or even several hours later) there are no amino's present. That's what supplement companies would love people to believe though.

I'm being somewhat facetious with my Roman soldier analogy, and I will concede that as far as I know they weren't bodybuilders per se; all i'm saying is it would appear appreciable gains ARE achievable via other methods of diet vs. the 'norm'.

TRUE BOLD! and helps to explain how you can do what you are doing and.....