Surely this cant be right

[hsvcraig]

Ey guys. I'm 5 weeks into my sust course n thought I'd go see a personal trainer incase he thought I should be doing somethings different, got a bit out of it except what I dnt understand is this diet he's suggested. I told him I want to bulk up as much whilst keeping gaining fat to a minimum. This diet he gave me seems more like a diet, I eat a shitload more than this usually especially on a course.... What do you guys reckon, I did tell him I'm on this course n he is an ex bodybuilder not so much a big heavy weight....

7am 1cup of oats
1 cup skim milk
1scoop protein shake

10:30am 2tins 85gms tuna springwater
1 cup of cooked rice
1 kiwi fruit
Salad

1pm 125 grams chicken
Salad
100gms pineapple

3:30 100gms diet yoghurt
1scoop protein
1 kiwi fruit

7pm 150 gms grilled chicken
Unlimited salad


To me I thought you would need more carbs. It says on there also, no carbs like potatoes or pasta.

So my goal is as much muscle gain with little fat gain

Cheers guys

[Back In Black]

Definitely sounds more like a cutting plan.

Wanna post up what you would normally eat on cycle including macro's and times and also your stats.

[hsvcraig]

Cheers mate.
This might seem a bit extreme the variety but i work where all my meals are madw for me.

6am 4 poached eggs
bacon
sausage
white rice
Bowl of oats
Protein shake 1 tablespoon multi dextrin n 1 table spoon of dextrose

9am
2 sandwiches on grain bred containing chicken lettuce cheese, with a can of tuna on the side

12
A full big bowl of a white rice dish with some sort of steak and veggies through it.
Protein shake with 2 1 table spoon of multidextron n 1 table spoon of dextrose, I or whatever the carbs are called I forget

3am
Big bowl of baked beans with 4 slices of grain bread.

6am
Chicken, veggies, white rice, steak. Protein shake
Sleep

I find it works well for me, in 5 weeks of doing a stack of 20mg of dbol which I'm 5 weeks into I've put on 13kilos n still managed to keep my six pack but have got some fat n water retention, I went from 89kgs to 102kgs, haven't done a cycle in a long time but, the sust is just kicking in now I believe

[gbrice75]

More often than not, don't let PT's assist you with diet. Hell, don't let PT's assist you with anything!

*disclaimer* I know there are some good ones out there, so don't get your panties in a bunch! But let's face it - it's not tough to get into, and the majority of people haven't a clue!

[SlimmerMe]

Ey guys. I'm 5 weeks into my sust course n thought I'd go see a personal trainer incase he thought I should be doing somethings different, got a bit out of it except what I dnt understand is this diet he's suggested. I told him I want to bulk up as much whilst keeping gaining fat to a minimum. This diet he gave me seems more like a diet, I eat a shitload more than this usually especially on a course.... What do you guys reckon, I did tell him I'm on this course n he is an ex bodybuilder not so much a big heavy weight....

7am 1cup of oats
1 cup skim milk
1scoop protein shake

10:30am 2tins 85gms tuna springwater
1 cup of cooked rice
1 kiwi fruit
Salad

1pm 125 grams chicken
Salad
100gms pineapple

3:30 100gms diet yoghurt
1scoop protein
1 kiwi fruit

7pm 150 gms grilled chicken
Unlimited salad


To me I thought you would need more carbs. It says on there also, no carbs like potatoes or pasta.

So my goal is as much muscle gain with little fat gain

Cheers guys

pineapple is high in spiking insulin
what kind of diet yogurt? Plain greek is the best
and what? no potatoes? this is pretty silly to hear from your PT. Sweet potatoes are very good for you...

[gbrice75]

He could be recommending pineapple for the benefits of bromelain. However, hardly worth the sugar IMO. Supplement bromelain if that is truly why the pineapple is in the diet.

[SlimmerMe]

^^ and what does bromlain do? please....thanks

[gbrice75]

Aside from some other potential benefits, what we'd be interested in it for is its use as a digestive enzyme. I supplement it with each meal, every day.

[Back In Black]

Aside from some other potential benefits, what we'd be interested in it for is its use as a digestive enzyme. I supplement it with each meal, every day.

The issue with ingesting enough bromelain from source ie the pineapple, is that you would have to eat so much that you would be taking an awful lot extra cals from fructose. And, as I understand it the majority of bromelain in a pineapple is in the central 'woody/fibrous' core anyway, not exactly a pleasurable eating experience.

I've also supplemented with it with great success in the past.

[gbrice75]

The issue with ingesting enough bromelain from source ie the pineapple, is that you would have to eat so much that you would be taking an awful lot extra cals from fructose. And, as I understand it the majority of bromelain in a pineapple is in the central 'woody/fibrous' core anyway, not exactly a pleasurable eating experience.

I've also supplemented with it with great success in the past.

Agreed. Supplementing this is the way to go. And if that wasn't the point and you (OP) are simply looking to eat fruits, there are way better/smarter choices out there than pineapple. Granted, pineapple is DELICIOUS and one of my favorites, but it's just so damn high in sugar!!!

[GirlyGymRat]

I learn something new whenever I poke around in the diet section....this bromelain is new to me...and I wonder why I am not taking it????

[SlimmerMe]

^^ new to me too. I wonder if papaya does the same thing.....

[Blaz Kavlic]

More often than not, don't let PT's assist you with diet. Hell, don't let PT's assist you with anything!

*disclaimer* I know there are some good ones out there, so don't get your panties in a bunch! But let's face it - it's not tough to get into, and the majority of people haven't a clue!

I cant comment on gyms in America, but I have trained at several gyms in Australia and a majority of the PTs working in these gyms arent even in shape themselves. At my current gym there are 3 PTs in reasonable shape out of a team of around 10. Why would someone take advice from a PT who has obviously lost their passion for training?

[gbrice75]

I learn something new whenever I poke around in the diet section....this bromelain is new to me...and I wonder why I am not taking it????

You should do some research on digestive enzymes in general. There are plenty aside from Bromelain, but that's a good one. I'm also currently taking betaine HCL and chromium polynicotinate, which isn't a digestive enzyme (the chromium), but rather works with insulin to help regulate glucose metabolism.

^^ new to me too. I wonder if papaya does the same thing.....

Papaya contains papain, another digestive enzyme. Below is some info fyi:

What are digestive enzymes:

Papain enzyme, derived from unripe Papayas, is used to ease overall digestion;
Bromelain, a proteolytic enzyme derived from the stem of pineapples, helps breakdown and digest protein in addition to reducing muscle and tissue inflammation;
Protease, a proteolytic enzyme, is used to breakdown and digest protein;
Lipase enzymes are used to breakdown and digest fats.

Digestive enzymes are complex proteins that break down foods into nutrients that the body can readily digest and absorb into the bloodstream, thereby ensuring essential vitamins and minerals are delivered to tissues throughout the body.

The human body can synthesize 22 digestive enzymes; other enzymes are obtained from fruits, vegetables and plants. There are three classes of digestive enzymes: proteolytic enzymes are needed to digest protein; lipase enzymes are needed to digest fat; and amylase enzymes are needed to digest carbohydrates. By promoting good digestion, these enzymes may also accelerate the passage of food through the stomach and digestive tract, reducing acid retention, irritation and heartburn. Additionally, supplementing with digestive enzymes may help protect the body against a wide range of ailments by ensuring optimal digestion.

I may post an article about this shortly, and copy and/or compile some of the above info.

I cant comment on gyms in America, but I have trained at several gyms in Australia and a majority of the PTs working in these gyms arent even in shape themselves. At my current gym there are 3 PTs in reasonable shape out of a team of around 10. Why would someone take advice from a PT who has obviously lost their passion for training?

I tend to agree man, for the most part. I realize that somebody doesn't have to be in shape to know what they're doing. i.e. you know the saying 'some of the best coaches can't play the game'.... but at the same time, IMO there is ALOT to be said for leading by example. Give me 2 guys with identical knowledge, one fat and out of shape, the other who lives the lifestyle he preaches/teaches, and i'm taking the in-shape guy every single time.