Casein Protein while on gear?

[Ruckus]

This question has always been on my mind, I was wondering if taking casein protein before you sleep is worth it if you are on gear?

Thanks

[gbrice75]

This question has always been on my mind, I was wondering if taking casein protein before you sleep is worth it if you are on gear?

Thanks

Is it 'worth it'? Sorry bro, I don't even understand your question tbh. Please elaborate.

[gearbox]

i think he is implying that gear will grow the muscle and not need to waste money on protein over night-time cause the gear? but I could be wrong? which is a very beginner question I might add..

[MASTERMIKE 48]

i think he is implying that gear will grow the muscle and not need to waste money on protein over night-time cause the gear? but I could be wrong? which is a very beginner question I might add..

That's what he's asking and no it won't interfere only help!

[gbrice75]

i think he is implying that gear will grow the muscle and not need to waste money on protein over night-time cause the gear? but I could be wrong? which is a very beginner question I might add..

Thx man... I'll answer assuming this is what he meant until he can clarify himself.

Let's get one thing straight - food grows muscle, not gear. Give a guy gear who doesn't eat and he's not gonna grow, period.

That said, it is possible to grow on less food than normal due to the amazing nutrient partitioning properties of some compounds. For instance, I gained 13lbs and reduced body fat on a cutting cycle!

If you eat a substantial meal for dinner (e.g. steak), you hardly have to worry about a pre bed shake... you're not going to burn muscle overnight lol! But as Mike said, it certainly won't hurt you.

Hope this answers your question.

[Times Roman]

I try to take a scoop of casean powder before bed. especially on work out nights. My opinion is that the body continues to grow muscle for several days after workout. Regular whey protein, or even muscle meats, metabolize out of your system in a few short hours. Which means that during an 8 hour sleep, the last few hours the amount of protein available might not be optimal. with casean, metabolization is very slow, and in theory, will provide you the protein necessary to continue to grow muscle fiber through the night. Having said all that, what i really don't know is what impact it will have by not having protein available the last few hours while sleeping? Is it significant, or is it insignificant? and if significant, is it worth the extra cost of casean? See, i don't know the answers to these, and because of this, I just say hell with it and scoop me some casean before bed. I suspect the impact is probably marginal, and then if it is, the cost/benefit is debatable as well.

[MASTERMIKE 48]

I try to take a scoop of casean powder before bed. especially on work out nights. My opinion is that the body continues to grow muscle for several days after workout. Regular whey protein, or even muscle meats, metabolize out of your system in a few short hours. Which means that during an 8 hour sleep, the last few hours the amount of protein available might not be optimal. with casean, metabolization is very slow, and in theory, will provide you the protein necessary to continue to grow muscle fiber through the night. Having said all that, what i really don't know is what impact it will have by not having protein available the last few hours while sleeping? Is it significant, or is it insignificant? and if significant, is it worth the extra cost of casean? See, i don't know the answers to these, and because of this, I just say hell with it and scoop me some casean before bed. I suspect the impact is probably marginal, and then if it is, the cost/benefit is debatable as well.

From what I've heard cottage cheese is basically the same form of protein as casein and it releases slow so I have in the past used that at late night if I didn't get in a good supply of protein in the evening!

[Times Roman]

From what I've heard cottage cheese is basically the same form of protein as casein and it releases slow so I have in the past used that at late night if I didn't get in a good supply of protein in the evening!

I didn't know that! they are both milk products, that's for sure, just like whey is a milk product.

OK.... that's one for MasterMike! =)

[gbrice75]

From what I've heard cottage cheese is basically the same form of protein as casein and it releases slow so I have in the past used that at late night if I didn't get in a good supply of protein in the evening!

I didn't know that! they are both milk products, that's for sure, just like whey is a milk product.

OK.... that's one for MasterMike! =)

Milk is broken down into 2 types of protein: whey, and casein. Cottage cheese isn't the same form of protein as casein, it IS casein (mostly) protein.

[Ruckus]

Ah, thanks alot guys for the information =].

[busybody]

his original question made me laugh. so many people have such misunderstood ideas about gear and how it will
magically put on a billion pounds of muscle by just injecting and eating some stuff.
it's really scary to see posts like this, because it means that people are starting this stuff with no idea for:
1. what steroids do.
and 2. what a diet is.
there's gonna be a lot of goofing up at the beginning and maybe some damage
without knowing these BASICS.

[gbrice75]

^^ for sure!

[Times Roman]

his original question made me laugh. so many people have such misunderstood ideas about gear and how it will
magically put on a billion pounds of muscle by just injecting and eating some stuff.
it's really scary to see posts like this, because it means that people are starting this stuff with no idea for:
1. what steroids do.
and 2. what a diet is.
there's gonna be a lot of goofing up at the beginning and maybe some damage
without knowing these BASICS.

Unfortunately, i think that is just the overall impression people have of aas. and it's not easy educating people otherwise. many come here knowing what they know, and don't want to hear anything but.

You are still a little new here, so i'm glad you get it! =)

---Roman

[Ruckus]

his original question made me laugh. so many people have such misunderstood ideas about gear and how it will
magically put on a billion pounds of muscle by just injecting and eating some stuff.
it's really scary to see posts like this, because it means that people are starting this stuff with no idea for:
1. what steroids do.
and 2. what a diet is.
there's gonna be a lot of goofing up at the beginning and maybe some damage
without knowing these BASICS.

Hey stfu, I was just wondering if Casein protein would benefit and worth the price of getting thats all

[gbrice75]

Hey stfu, I was just wondering if Casein protein would benefit and worth the price of getting thats all

I don't think he was referring to you bro, I took it as he was just pointing out that in general, we get alot of people who come through here thinking gear works like magic, regardless of anything else. It's all good.

[busybody]

Roman...thanks man.
G...you're right.
and Ruckus. if you made this post, then you haven't read anything about diet. if you are asking about casein at night
while on gear, then you haven't even typed in casein into google search. the major thing that people talk about
with casein is for prolonged day AAs in the blood stream and AT NIGHT WHEN GOING TO BED.
Not trying to be a jerk man. Just saying that if you are asking this question, then to me, and this is just IMO,
you haven't really understood diet at all. Casein is a staple for people that want that prolonged protein in
the blood stream, and also for those like me that have a long day and need that sticking power that
casein has so if you dont have those "eat 6 times a day" type schedules you can still get to your protein
necessities.

seriously man, not trying to be a jerk or a dick or anything.
I'm just saying to you, if you don't understand dieting (and I dont mean you eat less you lose more type stuff)
then start. it's not only important for lifting but life. get into the habit now of understanding the stuff
you eat. you'll feel better, look better, and if you ever get to a point where you want a lot of weight gain
or you have to lose a lot of weight, then it's second nature.

and to answer the question, to get the same volume of lean protein that casein offers in actual meat
that you can eat, you'd be paying out the ass. you're weekly food allowance would go straight in the
crapper. Casein is a great protein. Honestly, if it was between whey and casein, for me, I would
pick casein. because it fits me better and my daily routine.
and sorry you felt that way man. just do your homework.

[jimmyinkedup]

Hey at least he's asking questions. Hell before I knew what I do about diet I used to think what kind of protein powder i used made a difference in gains. I also used to think that i needed to eat slow digesting protein beofre bed or i would go "catabolic" and lose all my muscle. Go figure. At any rate the bottom line , as G said , is you need to take in adequate calories to grow,,if protein powder is a source of protein for you - so be it - if its whole foods so bew it. The fgatc is you do need to get on a structured diet imo to maximize gains.; Go to the stickies in the Nutrition Resource Forum- figure out tdee , make a diet (you can use the bodybuilding foods chart), post it in that forum and guys will help you tweak it. Best of Luck.

[Times Roman]

I asked my share of questions too. Won't begrudge a bloke for askin' 'em.