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    Hmmm... I use leg machines as part of my routine. Inner/outer abductor, calf raises, etc. However I also squat and deadlift balls to the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbody66

    Hit your calves every other day and alternate how you perform the exercises. IE: mon: twenty-ones, you do this with heavy weight ( I use the leg press machine and just do toe presses) start with your toes in/heels out (I keep knees locked) and do seven reps, slow and steady with the weight coming into the shin for a brief pause and full stretch then toes away as far as you can with a brief pause at the top, again for seven full reps, then turn your toes out and your heels in and do the same thing for seven more reps then toes straight above the heels for the last seven You should be able to use 150 lbs to start with (depends on your equipment obviously) if they are too easy up the weight, do three sets of these. Wed: Lighten the weight up but stick with toe presses, on these you will keep the toes straight up and down five sets of 25 reps each, a little faster pace here but still with a pause at top and bottom. Alternate this every other day and watch your calves grow.

    The next time you find another male using those leg machines you were talking about, ask him to take your picture, I'm sure he won't mind
    LMFAO ^^^ i'll try this (the toe exercises) that is. When you say toes, you mean the only thing touching the leg press is my toes correct?? I do now with a bit more then my toes but i do with 360lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75
    Hmmm... I use leg machines as part of my routine. Inner/outer abductor, calf raises, etc. However I also squat and deadlift balls to the wall.
    Yeah i do too, i just cant right now, not until Monday De***ber 19 due to some stitches in right forearm.

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    Can you guys get cheap bulk powders so you just buy BCAA's and not the additional stuff that supp co's charge alot for? To make it more palatable just add a small amount of splenda or if you can get zero sugar kool aid powder or something, add a bit of that?

    Pap, HIIT cardio on the bike is gonna help your calves too, trust me.

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    Well my BCAA powder is expensive whether it has flavor or not, but the cool aid idea aint bad!!

    Let's see if i can take a phoo on the weekend, i'll try swinging by my sisters house to see if she can take a picture of me posing including legs and calves, otherwise i'll never be able to post a photo unless is me infront of a mirror

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    At the gym right now to start my first fastes cardio of the next 2 weeks!! Drank my 12g BCAA, lets hope i dont get nauseous like that last time.

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    You can have the balls of your feet on the platform, but you turn your toes towards each other with your heels kicked out (feet a little less than shoulder width apart.

    Good luck with the cardio and BCAA's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbody66 View Post
    You can have the balls of your feet on the platform, but you turn your toes towards each other with your heels kicked out (feet a little less than shoulder width apart.

    Good luck with the cardio and BCAA's.
    Gotcha, will try that tomorrow!

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    Well i did 50 minutes of cardio, 30/20 bike and treadmill, bike went rather well, started getting nauseous after 15 mins, pushed through and finished that, got on the floor and laid down a couple mins to compose myself. Went on to the treadmill to walk at 3.0 mph but i was nauseous the entire time but i managed to pushed through for 20 mins but i couldn't go the 30 nor did i do it to fast.

    All in all i felt like shit the entire time, couldn't do abs, just walked down the stairs into the locker room and sat on the couch and fell asleep hoping it would go away by 7:00 AM which it did so i was able to drink my pwo shake and eat my lentils.

    I am not sure but i don't think BCAA's fasted and I are getting along, thats twice; i am not sure if i will be trying a third time, the worst part is the wasted morning for me.

    Now what i need are suggestions, alternatives, perhaps take the NO Xplode along with the BCAA's as i was taking it before which it was not giving me any problems, but perhaps that defeats the purpose.

    I need major advices, alternatives, suggestions, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papiriqui View Post
    Well i did 50 minutes of cardio, 30/20 bike and treadmill, bike went rather well, started getting nauseous after 15 mins, pushed through and finished that, got on the floor and laid down a couple mins to compose myself. Went on to the treadmill to walk at 3.0 mph but i was nauseous the entire time but i managed to pushed through for 20 mins but i couldn't go the 30 nor did i do it to fast.

    All in all i felt like shit the entire time, couldn't do abs, just walked down the stairs into the locker room and sat on the couch and fell asleep hoping it would go away by 7:00 AM which it did so i was able to drink my pwo shake and eat my lentils.

    I am not sure but i don't think BCAA's fasted and I are getting along, thats twice; i am not sure if i will be trying a third time, the worst part is the wasted morning for me.

    Now what i need are suggestions, alternatives, perhaps take the NO Xplode along with the BCAA's as i was taking it before which it was not giving me any problems, but perhaps that defeats the purpose.

    I need major advices, alternatives, suggestions, etc.
    This is not good to hear. Have you had your glucose levels checked? and your blood pressure? any blood work of late? Any other symptoms?
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    Is there anything else in your BCAA's? Did you add caffeine to the mix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimmerMe View Post
    This is not good to hear. Have you had your glucose levels checked? and your blood pressure? any blood work of late? Any other symptoms?
    Last time i had blood work was back in July, everything perfect! No other symptoms! Just my stomach on my throat lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM View Post
    Is there anything else in your BCAA's? Did you add caffeine to the mix?
    Well yes the caffeine/green tea stack!! But before i stopped using the NO XPLODE (which had BCAA, glutamine, creatine) i was taking caffeine/green tea as well, i did that for like 2 days, no problems at all. Saturday when i tried caffeine/green tea plus the BCAA i had the same issue, yesterday since i had legs i took the NO XPLODE (same as above) plus caffeine/green tea, no problems at all. Today i try the caffeine/green tea plus BCAA and i got the same results as saturday.... ????

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    I have been taking BCAA for a few months now without a hitch! Is just either the combination of caffeine/green tea + BCAA on empty stomach or the BCAA on empty stomach by itself. Either or

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    I have no ideas for you. But you have my sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbody66
    I have no ideas for you. But you have my sympathy.
    Thanks Bud!

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    Hey pap have u tried just bcaa without caffeine and green tea??? If not and i had to pick id drop the caffeine and green tea on fasted cardio mornings and just do the bcaa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<---
    Hey pap have u tried just bcaa without caffeine and green tea??? If not and i had to pick id drop the caffeine and green tea on fasted cardio mornings and just do the bcaa...
    Honestly havent tried it, i can try that tomorrow morning! Also i want to know if taking NO XPLODE with bcaa would defeat the purpose of fasted cardio??

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    Yeh pap uve seen my progress and i dont (as of yet) take any caffeine or green tea.. All i take is bcaa in the am.. I know with me and caffeine the symptoms u r decribing seem more relAted to the caffeine.. Just my opinion.. I know uve taken caffeine w/o bcaa and been ok..

    The only other suggestion i would have for u is if taking just the bcaa doesnt work tomorrow u may wanna try a difft brand..

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<---
    Yeh pap uve seen my progress and i dont (as of yet) take any caffeine or green tea.. All i take is bcaa in the am.. I know with me and caffeine the symptoms u r decribing seem more relAted to the caffeine.. Just my opinion.. I know uve taken caffeine w/o bcaa and been ok..

    The only other suggestion i would have for u is if taking just the bcaa doesnt work tomorrow u may wanna try a difft brand..
    The weird part is ice been taking that BCAA brand for a few months now, caffeine ive taking it for a week now. Tomorrow we'll see if it is the BCAA since i will take it by itself. Fingers crossed!! Dont want another morning going to waste!!

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    Just finished 60 mins of cardio 40 mins HIIT, 20/20/20 treadmill incline speed 3.5 miles incline 12, bike/stair master HIIT !!!

    Took 400mg caffeine/1200mg green tea not the slightest problem, other than feeling the food i ate 5 mins before cardio in my throat, everything went great!

    Feeling good, at least the entire day dis not go to waste!

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    What about not taking anything before the fasted cardio? I drink 16oz of water with a caffeine tablet and bayer AM aspirin and don't feel sick. Of course I don't go at it too hard.

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    The problem with that is as per SteM that your body will turn to muscle for energy, thats why bcaa pre fasted is recommended!

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    Have u been takn that caffeine on empty stomach before??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papiriqui View Post
    Just finished 60 mins of cardio 40 mins HIIT, 20/20/20 treadmill incline speed 3.5 miles incline 12, bike/stair master HIIT !!!

    Took 400mg caffeine/1200mg green tea not the slightest problem, other than feeling the food i ate 5 mins before cardio in my throat, everything went great!

    Feeling good, at least the entire day dis not go to waste!
    You eat 5 mins before cardio? Man I'd puke it all up, I have to wait about 2 hours before I can do HIIT to allow the food to settle.

    If you are ok on fasted cardio with just BCAA's then just stick with that. A bit of caffeine is Not worth losing workout time for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM

    You eat 5 mins before cardio? Man I'd puke it all up, I have to wait about 2 hours before I can do HIIT to allow the food to settle.

    If you are ok on fasted cardio with just BCAA's then just stick with that. A bit of caffeine is Not worth losing workout time for.
    Well sometimes i eat 20 mins before, normally i dont have time to eat that long in advance, yet again i dont feel like throwing up, just feel the food up in mu neck for the first 15 mins, not big of a deal.

    I took caffeine on empty stomach in sunday after the ordeal of being queazy on saturday, i have been taking caffeine for almost 2 weeks on empty and not, no problems, i have been taking bcaa for longer but never on empty!!

    Today i took the morning off, had to do some OT yesterday night, so went to sleep at 12:30 AM ad i was also carrying a 2 hrs depravation from monday night, so i was not going to wake up at 4am lol. Have more OT tonight but im rested, will try empty stomach with just BCAA an lets hope is not that, i hope it was just the mix.

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    Maybe try halving the BCAA's on your next fasted cardio, see if that helps. If it still causes probs you just need to drop them for fasted cardio.

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    Yeah SteM that's what i will try to do tomorrow morning fasted, worse case scenario and the BCAA fasted is causing the issue, what would be the alternatives? Are there any?? Perhaps 1 scoop of whey? I mean i am not doing fasted for to long anyways is just till friday next week, after that i start lifting weights again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papiriqui View Post
    Yeah SteM that's what i will try to do tomorrow morning fasted, worse case scenario and the BCAA fasted is causing the issue, what would be the alternatives? Are there any?? Perhaps 1 scoop of whey? I mean i am not doing fasted for to long anyways is just till friday next week, after that i start lifting weights again.
    i pondered this before, the whey, and that would not be fasted so to speak. you shouldn't be doing HIIT fasted anyways, save that for after workouts or stand alone cardio. HIIT is mainly used for depleting glycogen stores and not prefered when doing fasted cardio. low and slow in the AM for fasted cardio. great work by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00

    i pondered this before, the whey, and that would not be fasted so to speak. you shouldn't be doing HIIT fasted anyways, save that for after workouts or stand alone cardio. HIIT is mainly used for depleting glycogen stores and not prefered when doing fasted cardio. low and slow in the AM for fasted cardio. great work by the way!
    Good to know!! Thanks cajun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00 View Post
    i pondered this before, the whey, and that would not be fasted so to speak. you shouldn't be doing HIIT fasted anyways, save that for after workouts or stand alone cardio. HIIT is mainly used for depleting glycogen stores and not prefered when doing fasted cardio. low and slow in the AM for fasted cardio. great work by the way!
    IMHO fasted HIIT is fine for those whose bodyfat is in excess of 15%. Bodyfat is muscle sparing to an extent and I urge most people with bf over 18% to do fasted HIIT rather than low intensity steady state.

    Agreed on the whey, it means you aren't fasted. If the BCAA's are definitely causing the issue don't worry so much, you're not gonna lose a pound of muscle every session because you haven't had your amino's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM View Post
    IMHO fasted HIIT is fine for those whose bodyfat is in excess of 15%. Bodyfat is muscle sparing to an extent and I urge most people with bf over 18% to do fasted HIIT rather than low intensity steady state.

    Agreed on the whey, it means you aren't fasted. If the BCAA's are definitely causing the issue don't worry so much, you're not gonna lose a pound of muscle every session because you haven't had your amino's!
    Thanks SteM, will let you guys know tomorrow whether is the BCAA or the combination of BCAA caffeine/green tea, as for today i'll do some HIIT cardio in the afternoon!!

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    Another succesful afternoon HIIT Cardio!! I am really starting to fall in love with cardio!! My legs dont necesarily agree but that's okay

    20/20/10 started with treadmill at 3.5 mph incline @ 15/max, followed by bike resistance 5/10 and finished w/ stair master 1/10 and teice i took it to 12 resistance and let me tell you, when that 1 minute went by i wanted to cut my legs off from the hips!!

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    Well, it looks as if at least you are doing something, and as much as you can from the sounds of things. There is a lot to be said for all of the information you are being provided. I personally think that if you take bcaa's before a workout that it isn't fasted as well. I preach drinking water upon waking, I think that technically "breaks" your overnight fast and begins waking up the body and jump starting the metabolism. If you do cardio on a water, or water/caffeine, only program I believe you burn even more calories. The theory is that fasted-cardio increases your metabolic rate from the start of the day and throughout. The same has been said for drinking 16 oz of water upon waking. So, there should be some added benefit from combining the two.

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    Your doing well Papi - any updated photos?

    I found that cardio is a love hate relationship...some days you really fall in love with it and other days you just want to slap the treadmill / Cross trainer!

    What i found to work for me any time i start getting that sick feeling is to drop the intensity for a minute, breath deep and then get back in to it...good music helps to as you kind of zone out. I remember at one point when i was running on the treadmill, i really got into the track i was listening to and completely forgot that i was running....weird i know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon
    Your doing well Papi - any updated photos?

    I found that cardio is a love hate relationship...some days you really fall in love with it and other days you just want to slap the treadmill / Cross trainer!

    What i found to work for me any time i start getting that sick feeling is to drop the intensity for a minute, breath deep and then get back in to it...good music helps to as you kind of zone out. I remember at one point when i was running on the treadmill, i really got into the track i was listening to and completely forgot that i was running....weird i know...
    Photos coming in 2 weeks i believe, doing them every 4 weeks, so far i havent had a day where i hate it, is just sometimes my legs are a bit more sore than other days and its hard but other than that, no complaints at all.

    The music thing happens to me as well, sometimes i space out but i try not to since i do HIIT and ever 2 mins i got to get my shit on!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papiriqui View Post
    Photos coming in 2 weeks i believe, doing them every 4 weeks, so far i havent had a day where i hate it, is just sometimes my legs are a bit more sore than other days and its hard but other than that, no complaints at all.

    The music thing happens to me as well, sometimes i space out but i try not to since i do HIIT and ever 2 mins i got to get my shit on!!
    Look forward to the photos

    Your right zoning out on the HIIT is an issue but only if its during the walking stage

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbody66 View Post
    I try to watch Fox news so I can catch up on the latest political stuff
    Hahah tbody I dont know how you can do that as if it was me id fall asleep while sprinting on the treadmill and we've all seen how that ends....

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    at my gym there is a t.v. right in front of four treadmills. We are in the conservative bible belt (which I am very happy for) so the channel is only on fox if it's on news. I actually have been enjoying watching the Republican debates this year. Incredibly entertaining, maybe more entertaining than informative. So I actually know what they are talking about on the news shows in the am, it's kinda cool.

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