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    Constructive Criticism For my Cut Diet

    Hey guys, Just started my cut last friday. Here's the deal: current 178lbs, 13-14% BF. Was 196 after last bulk cycle's PCT (Peak was 202 when started pct) . Unfortunately had a bout of pneumonia and dropped to my current weight do to bed rest and a diet of chicken broth. Decided to cut from this weight for a lean mean summer, and build back up next winter. No gear on this cut. My job burns quite a few calories, I'm on the go quite a bit. Training 3x week, 20 min cardio, 50 min weights. Mon chest shoulders, Tues back bi's tri's, Fri the dreaded leg day. Im a hardgainer and have the metabolism that goes with it, so dieting is always a pain!!! Training on and off since 16, but partied a lot as a teenager/earl 20's, learning and training steadily for the last 3 years. I track all my meals on myfitnesspal.com. They have a great iPhone app that makes it easy to do.

    Maintenance 3200 calories/day

    BMR: 2100 calories
    eating: 2500/day clean
    sups: Fish oil, ON Cassein, Whey, Muscle Milk MRP, universal uni-liver(2 before training, 2 after.)Nutrex Hemo Rage Black pre workout.
    Cheat meals : 2 a week, eat whatever I want, but don't gorge myself. Typically a lumberjack breakfast, or manwich dinner cheesecake dessert. Haven't had one yet, but these are my favourites.
    typical day:
    breakfast: 1/2 cup organic no fat probiotic yogurt, plain; 1/4 cup honey almond granola; 1 cara cara orange or apple.
    snack: home made shake with 1 banana, 1/2 cup blueberries, 1cup skim milk, 2 egg whites, 1tbsp nutritional yeast, 1tbsp wheat germ, 2tbsp vital wheat gluten.
    Lunch: Turkey/Tuna/Roast Beef with 1/2 avocado (awesome for tuna instead of mayo)mustard, 1/2 tomato, cucumber or pickles, romaine lettuce, whole grain bread, 4 thin slices of marble cheese
    snack: Muscle Milk (cookies and cream is awesome and really helps satisfy my sweet tooth)
    Dinner: Boneless skinless chicken breast/low fat steak/salmon with 3 small red potatoes or brown basmati rice, 1 cup steamed broccoli or a garden salad with a small amount of balsamic vinaigrette.
    bedtime snack: 1cup of 1% cottage cheese or ON casein shake

    All proteins are mixed with water, except for my post workout whey which I mix with orange juice. Tastes exactly like an orange julius (again helps with my sweet tooth). I typically drink 8-cups of straight water a day, one cup of black coffee with breakfast, and 2 green teas with 1/2 tsp cinnamon each throughout the day.

    It hasn't even been a week, i have not budged on the scale, but i can already see a slight difference in my abbs. could by just me being optimistic this is the 1st time I've gone all out counting calories, making sure I'm a deficit, and following a definitive diet. In the past, with my metabolism I would simply back off of my bulk diet and let nature run it's course, but i want some serious cuts this year. Looking not only for single digits, but 5%BF. I've done a lot of reading, and feel I'm pretty on point to loose BF while maintaining lean mass, but I'm posting to hear opinions and suggestions from the wise ones. Also, this diet actually works out to almost 40-40-20 to the T. I'll keep posting as i move forward with weight, pics, adjustments to diet, etc. So go ahead, pull this apart, examine it, scrutinize it, and give me feed back. Thanks guys, I look forward to your input as I'm putting a lot of effort into this!!!!

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    Also guys, If you have any suggestions to suppress my appetite I'd be eternally grateful, I find myself constantly obsessing about food, and I'm always hungry. I'm super sensitive to stims, even 1 scoop of pre workout and I'm trembling.
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    Hey big wekcome to the forum.. Sry to hear bout ur illness but theres always next yr

    U say ur a hardgainer with a high metabolism? Curious to u getting to 15% bf if thats the case? At 178lbs and 15% bf ive got ur tdee @ 2900cals.. That being said id suggest 2100cals .. Have u successfully maintained ur weight and bf% at 3200cals for a length of time or is that just what u came up with thru a formula???

    Ur diet has alot of room for improvement.. To make it easier id just about eliminate every meal ur eating! LOL.. Also i think 2 cheqt meals per week is 1 too many and if ur trying to get to 5% prob 2 too many.. At least once u get to a certain level of leanness.. Id also switch to carb cyclr or low carb instead of 40/40/20.. U could prob low carb it for awhile and once u get to 10% then consider cycling ur carbs..

    2100cals
    310g pro
    110g carbs
    47g fat

    Theres alot to discuss if we even try using ur current diet.. IMO itd be easier to just start over..
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    there's always room for improvement!!! Once all the math is done i'm averaging 37%carbs 35% protein 28%fat. I'm definitely in a caloric deficit. As far as cheat meals go I'm using them to help ease into the diet, as i get leaner I plan on phasing them out and slowly reducing my carbs. I'm not looking to loose quickly, just consistently. I'm open to any and all suggestions, including rebuilding my diet from the ground up. Thanks for the input!

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    Ur lifting schedule is a 3day split and ur only doing 60mins cardio all week?? Im not an expert in lifting schedule i personally do a 4day split.. I suppose 3 days is ok.. Ur gonna wanna increase ur cardio to 5-6days per week and id go at least 30 mins (if pwo) and if fastEd id do 45mins...

    With ur diet the way u posted its hard to critique.. Better is:

    (time) meal1: ......

    (time) meal2: ......

    (time) meal3: .....

    (time)- Lift

    (time) meal4: (pwo) ....

    Etc..etc...

    Need to know what ur preworkout meal is and ur pwo meal..

    Id eliminate all fruit and all dairy (except cottage cheese)...

    All proteins lean ( NO DELI MEAT) <-- i say this cuz of ur turkey and roast beef? Is it deli? If so lose it..

    All carbs complex consisting of oats, sweet potatoes, brn rice THATS ALL ID EAT FOR CARBS

    Fats u get from ur meat.. As well as fish oil supps.. If u need additional then avocado is ok as well as natty pb, evoo, flax oil, some nuts...

    These are the basic guidelines id start with if i were u.. Theyre proven to work and once u start progressing well u can experiment if ur so inclined with other carb sources (although i personally wouldnt and dont )

    Id post a diet hitting macris above using this as a guide

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    I'm short on time, just wanted to bang off a few things quickly. I realized i didn't comment on my maintenance calories. That was trial and error, and maintains my weight and BF in the summer, but this is also when I'm most active. I'm stuck on this diet for another week. Due to my illness I'm strapped for cash, and also have stocked for the next week of food on the current diet. The good news is that gives me a week to rebuild my meal plan from the ground up, while still being in a caloric deficit. One HUGE note.... I was calculating my BF% using online calculators based on measurements, age, activity level etc... which what I've based ALL my math on. I went to the gym for some extra cardio after a cheat meal last night, and had a trainer calculate my BF% with callipers and got 18.6%!!!!!!! Obviously with your advice and this new info i've learned two very important facts, 1)as far as cut knowledge goes, I don't know my head from my a$$, 2) I'm not the hard gainer I was only a year or 2 ago, my metabolism is slowing down. I've already been doing heavy reading in the diet forum on this site and bb.com, and major google searches, and am considering consulting an educated nutritionist that deals specifically with bodybuilding. I'm sorry i wasn't as knowledgeable as I thought I was, I guess I'm greener than i thought; it stems from years of having the metabolism of a humming bird on meth and never worrying about burning fat. I'll be redoing my calculations on downtime today, and will try to get a breakdown of everything in the format you've asks for ASAP. Thanks for taking the time to school a smart a$$ bro!!!!!!!!!!

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    Update: 2nd day training on cut.
    10min warmup on treadmill, 112 calories burned according to display
    seated cable row 8x8 @ 160lbs, x6 @ 140lbs
    dips failure x3
    close grip standing easy curls 8x8 @ 50lbs x6 @30lbs
    tricep rope pull down 8x8 @ 120lbs x4 @ 80lbs
    Lat pulldown 8x6 @ 160lbs x3 @ 140lbs
    45 min on treadmill at 2.5 incline, 20 min walking @ 3.5mph, 20 min running at 5.5mph, 5min cool down. burned 486 calories according to display
    Will do 1 hour walking the dog later in the day.

    Strength WAY down since illness, very hard to get pumped while weight training, but felt great doing cardio. Talked to a trainer, setting an appointment to reassess BF%, completely review and rewrite workout plan, and is setting me up with his nutritionist to rebuild my diet from square one. Until then I'll continue making adjustments to my diet, and increase cardio 10 fold daily as i don't have much work lined up for the next week to force me to burn calories. On a personal note, the more i write everything out, the more my motivation skyrockets. I can notice small changes in abdominal fat already, will weigh in and do measurements on mondays. I've been training and eating relatively healthy (although consistently with hypertrophy in mind for some time) but it's time to pull the trigger and really go all out on a cut!!!!

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    i hear ya bro.. glad to see ur motivated not sure about the nutritionist.. havent been to one but would go with the guys on here (and have) before id go to a nutritionist.. its free and u learn why to do things instead of having someone hand u a diet.. good luck in whatever u choose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    i hear ya bro.. glad to see ur motivated not sure about the nutritionist.. havent been to one but would go with the guys on here (and have) before id go to a nutritionist.. its free and u learn why to do things instead of having someone hand u a diet.. good luck in whatever u choose!
    i would def go with the guys on here for dieting advice before i would listen to a nutrionist who is more out of shape then your self listen too these guys they will get you in the right direction

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    Hey bro since your trying to get to competition level body fat percentage I would eat sleep train like a competitive bodybuilder. Your diet seems to have holes because you are counting indirect protein sources in your total count most incomplete proteins should not be weighed as equal to more complete sources and ditto to the other guys comments on only using low to medium gly***ic carbs for a cut. The simpler you keep it the easier it is to follow your food might taste like crap but I always say if your food is good your diet is not! I would honestly try palumbo diet to start that way u get to cheat once a week and it's simple. Good luck bro

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