BodyOpus Help? Cyclic Ketogenic Diet

[havehotasianwife]

Ive searched and searched. and having issues getting my head around what the protein needs are during the carb loading phase on the weekend?! ive read the book. other forums, searched this forum... picture above is relevant. it is a spreadsheet i am creating that others can enter their information into that makes it easier for them to break the bodyopus program down. i have everything else down pact just having issues with protein and fats on the weekend loading phase! argh. you guys have always been awesome in the past with my spreadsheets.

ps. once basic information is input, the rest of the fields will be auto-filled.

and again also, i apologize if this info is answered somewhere else. i really did use the search function. google and everything.

[havehotasianwife]

Duchaine says that this is essential to any fat loss diet, as we will further offset muscle loss and possibly build muscle in the process. The ratio during the re-composition phase should be roughly 65% carbs, 15% protein and 20% fat.

just confused because that would mean.

*reversed math concluded from carb calc for 24hr phase 1*

total cals = 6418.58
carbs = 1043.02 grams
protein= 240.6945 grams
fats = 142.6337 grams

sure sounds pretty high to me??? am i missing something?

[havehotasianwife]

I will be logging the experience and progress on my website and reposting the logs here::

March 19th, 2012

starting sunday night at 6pm started CKD. which is a carb cycling diet. let me tell you,, it takes determination. i know i am technically getting all the calories i am supposed to get, but it still feels like i am hungry all the time, even with eca. but it is what it is. carb cycling wouldnt be so popular if it didnt work.

eating:
calories are at 90% of my maintenance. = 2202.13 calories. broke down into 4 meals. ratio of 30% protein, 70% fat, 0% carbs

training:
4 sets each exercise. 10-12 reps

chest:
incline db press
flat db press
flat db flys

shoulders:
seated db press
lateral db raises
reverse flys
shrugs

triceps:
vbar push downs
rope push downs
skull crushers
dips

abs:
normal ab crap.

[havehotasianwife]

first progress pics in the morning. was too dark after getting done with workout to take them tonight.

[jypoll]

just confused because that would mean.

*reversed math concluded from carb calc for 24hr phase 1*

total cals = 6418.58
carbs = 1043.02 grams
protein= 240.6945 grams
fats = 142.6337 grams

sure sounds pretty high to me??? am i missing something?

during CKD when you have a carb up day you cut fats to allow for the carbs
and 1000g?? are you JAy cutler? otherwise dont eat that many.

you carb day(singular) should be same protein 165 + 300-400g C (this is what i did and my TDEE is much higher than yours) 20gF (0g would be impossible so allow 20)

if you did this 6400kcal refeed it would offset your whole weeks worth of work, and possibly even gain weight

[havehotasianwife]

It seems high to me as well, I was just going by the carb instruction in the book which was 16x lean body mass in kilos. ? Have you done bodyopus or similar ckd?

[--->>405<<---]

hotasian i havent read bodyopus but i have read ud2.0.. he makes reference to bodyopus and its author and i believe ud2.0 while not exactly the same is also a carb cycle that im currently prepping for where i eat basically 50g carbs for 3 days and then have a massive refeed on the nite of day 4 thru day 5 of 1250g carbs.. the idea behind it is doing total body depletion workouts leading up to the refeed and with diet and workout combined it "primes" (if i can use that word) the body to partition the nutrients from the carb load much more efficiently.. i chekd my total weekly cals and with the carb load it is 1500cals above my current carb cycle and its 3500 cals below maintenance.. personally im going with it cuz the author knows his stuff.. ur basically dieting at extreme deficit for 3.75days/week then refeeding and eating at maintenance the other 2 days to reset the body for the next extreme deficit..

if u havent chekd it out i recommend it.. ultimate diet 2.0 by lyle mcdonald...

if bodyopus calls for that much of a refeed judging by what ive read lyle refer to the diet id trust it

[havehotasianwife]

this morning blood was 87mg/dl using the digital meter from cvs.

[havehotasianwife]

hotasian i havent read bodyopus but i have read ud2.0.. he makes reference to bodyopus and its author and i believe ud2.0 while not exactly the same is also a carb cycle that im currently prepping for where i eat basically 50g carbs for 3 days and then have a massive refeed on the nite of day 4 thru day 5 of 1250g carbs.. the idea behind it is doing total body depletion workouts leading up to the refeed and with diet and workout combined it "primes" (if i can use that word) the body to partition the nutrients from the carb load much more efficiently.. i chekd my total weekly cals and with the carb load it is 1500cals above my current carb cycle and its 3500 cals below maintenance.. personally im going with it cuz the author knows his stuff.. ur basically dieting at extreme deficit for 3.75days/week then refeeding and eating at maintenance the other 2 days to reset the body for the next extreme deficit..

if u havent chekd it out i recommend it.. ultimate diet 2.0 by lyle mcdonald...

if bodyopus calls for that much of a refeed judging by what ive read lyle refer to the diet id trust it

@405 ,

bodyopus is a 5 day cycle. sunday 6pm through friday 6pm is zero carbs and a 70%f/30%p macro. then friday 1-2 hours before workout you have 100-200calories of carbs (mentions apples/bananas) then after workout starts your carb refeed since friday is weird (ketosis/post-ketosis/recomp) recomp being the refeed. he mentions that to find your refeed for the first 24hours you take your LBM in kilos and times that by 16 and that is your carbs in grams (and viewing others log's on other site it seems that the majority of others (exclusively) using that numbers as the carb grams) and you "x" amount of carbs every 2 hours for 24 hours (yes, waking up to eat every two hours)

and although the carb amount seems stupid high, my main concern is what protein and fat i should be eating during the weekend?? because in his book, he doesnt give a ratio, or even an example number of protein... he just says,, ok have whey with this, start your solid meals have chicken here.. so for me (a guy used to the 40/40/20) its hard for me to gather how much protein and fat i am supposed to have on the weekend. see my dillema?? :-p

[havehotasianwife]

@405 check your PM's

[--->>405<<---]

yeh i chekd thx well ud2.0 was written by a friend of duchaine.. lyle mcdonald.. his book ultimate diet 2.0 i think is kind of a similar deal to bodyopus but its a 7day cycle..

day 1-3 u eat at 50% maintenance and 50g -70g carbs (im doing 50 of all broccoli)
day 4 u have roughly 70% of total cals from days 1-3 in ur first 3 meals.. then preworkout u eat 30g carbs and 15g whey.. and do a HIT lift workout followed by a 30hr refeed which starts on day 4 pm at 12-16g carbs/KG LBM or 7-8g carbs/lb LBM.. for me this is 1250g carbs..
this goes thru day 5.. protein consumption should be limited to 1g per lb LBM... and 15% or so fat or 50g fat (which is wat im doing)

day6 is 60%carb, 25%pro, 15%fat at maintenance (or 20% below maintenance if u want to increase fatloss- which is wat im doing)
day7 is 20% below maintenance (or maintenance if fatloss isnt primary goal) at 1.5g carb per lb LBM, 1g pro per lb lbm, rest of cals from fat...

so theyre prob fairly similar.. and i would bet to answer ur question about how much protein.. id go with 1g per lb LBM..

[jypoll]

seems pretty extreme when i did CKD i was 2000kcals during the week and upto 2500 on refeed and i lost 2lbs a week.

[havehotasianwife]

1g is easy for protein, gives me an excuse to have more chicken and whey!! :-p actually, i think right now in the fridge i have alot of walmart tilapia that i can break out.

ok so i did some more math.

if carbs 65% at 1043.02g/4172.08cals
protein 10.28% 165g/660cals
fats at 25% 178.29g/1604.645cals
total 100% at 6418.58 calories ?!?! lol jeeze! what am i getting myself into?!

[havehotasianwife]

Current Measurements.

Used this spreadsheet

9-Point Bodyfat Excel Spreadsheet from The Anabolic Insider

[--->>405<<---]

seems pretty extreme when i did CKD i was 2000kcals during the week and upto 2500 on refeed and i lost 2lbs a week.

yeh for me jypoll its:
day1 1400cals
day2 1400cals
day3 1400cals
day4&5 7000cals
day6 2240cals
day7 2240cals

TOTAL: 15,680CALS

so u see the 6000cal refeed throws u off but its split between 2 days and the first day u only eat 1000cals prior to refeed

currently im eating (with decent fatloss)
day1 2200cals
day2 2200cals
day3 2200cals
day4 1900cals
day5 1900cals
day6 1900cals
day7 3000cals

TOTAL:15,300

ONLY A DIFF OF 380CALS PLUS WORKOUT IS ORGANIZED AND DEPLETION ORIENTED DURING LOW CARB AND GROWTH ORIENTED DURING HIGH CARB PLUS DEPLETION CARDIO AND HIIT/MODERATE = FATLOSS CARDIO.. TO ME A BETTER PROGRAM

SORRY TO HIJACK ASIAN

[havehotasianwife]

This is the schedule that I came up with from reading the book. the week days after eating every 5 hours because i read on this forum that for people that lean towards being an endo, its better to eat every 4-5 hours?

[havehotasianwife]

here is with the refeed's calculated in (refeed calories are just from the carbs will add in the fat/protein later)

[jypoll]

i dont understand why you guys want to triple your intake for 2 days?

[havehotasianwife]

@jypoll , Check your PM's

[havehotasianwife]

here is a link to the BodyOpus Spreadsheet

[jypoll]

already on page 80 haha.... buddy really doesnt like protein 25% only ? and mostly whey not meat?

i consume 35% on bulk and upto 45-50% on a cut.

[baseline_9]

i dont understand why you guys want to triple your intake for 2 days?

Read the book then...

Not being funny... If u read UD2.0 you will know exactly why

[havehotasianwife]

@baseline, how was your experience doing it?? (ive read both ud2.0 and bodyopus)

[--->>405<<---]

i dont understand why you guys want to triple your intake for 2 days?

^^ jypoll did u read my post #15? see the weekly difference? Miniscule.. And we both know tdee is a weekly calculation

[havehotasianwife]

not embarrest to admit it,,, im so exhausted im using 20lb db's for curls right now (typing while between sets lol )

[havehotasianwife]

day two pics. looking pretty flat muscled right now,,, no vascularity at all when usually i ALWAYS have vascularity after working out. also one thing is clear... i have no idea how to pose... also,, in the tricep pics, i do not have a boner lol, i just have big thighs and my manhood likes to rest on them instead of hang down,, it is what it is lol... and yes,,, im fuzzy and ultra pale!!

[jypoll]

^^ jypoll did u read my post #15? see the weekly difference? Miniscule.. And we both know tdee is a weekly calculation

ok i did not read that right, i thought you meant 7000 each day not for both days togeather.... that makes a big difference

[--->>405<<---]

^^ yeh jypoll i could see how u thought that

Asian thx for the boner clear-up LOL..

[havehotasianwife]

lol,, i always have to clear it up,, cause even on facebook,, any side pic,,, bam! automatic appearence of said boner lol... i just have a nice muscle cake going on,,, 3 layer muscle cake,,, thighs, balls, shaft.... maybe im drifting into keto right now finally?? im thinking about cake lol,,, and unfortunately it seems to be boner cake...

[havehotasianwife]

405 your in for a treat,,, i guess ultra boner didnt upload,,, this is the one i was talking about hahahahaha

[--->>405<<---]

LOL.. Thats a disgusting thought.. Thighs balls shaft .. Yuck.. Thank God im not a girl.. Sometimes i wonder what they see in us LOL..

Out of curiosity u said u read both bodyopus and ud2.0 .. Why bodyopus and not ud2.0??

[--->>405<<---]

405 your in for a treat,,, i guess ultra boner didnt upload,,, this is the one i was talking about hahahahaha

Oh thank u so much asian .. Really appreciate that ..

[havehotasianwife]

LOL.. Thats a disgusting thought.. Thighs balls shaft .. Yuck.. Thank God im not a girl.. Sometimes i wonder what they see in us LOL..

Out of curiosity u said u read both bodyopus and ud2.0 .. Why bodyopus and not ud2.0??

honestly,, the pdf for bodyopus was easier to read on my tablet. And I heard of bodyopus first. sounded interesting and people had great things to say about it. so subconsciously it stuck in my mind better when planning to do my next diet.

[baseline_9]

@baseline, how was your experience doing it?? (ive read both ud2.0 and bodyopus)

I have not run UD2.0.... However I will always reccomend anything that lyle writes as I trust him 100%

[havehotasianwife]

Just took blood glucose reading... Said 101mg/dl .. Yesterday it was 87mg/dl before eating. Shouldnt it be getting lower since I am not eating carbs?

[--->>405<<---]

ud think so.. whats the purpose of taking it? i understand ur not eatn carbs and want low blood sugar but if ur not eating carbs does it really matter what it says?

[havehotasianwife]

Ya because supposedly you dont enter a ketogenic state if your blood isnt 60mg/dl and below.

I'm going to take it again at 10am because I remember yesterday I took the reading after meal 1. And im crapping right now lol

[havehotasianwife]

Just took the blood reading again today after eating meal 1 and its 87mg/dl

am i just taking it at the wrong time?

what times does anyone reading this take their reading?

[havehotasianwife]

Argh. right now I just wanna sit on a drinking fountain...two words...habanero chicken... Not even kidding...

[havehotasianwife]

Keto wise, I feel better and less hungry than i felt yesterday. today is my day off from workout but its still advised to do 20min light cardio.. so that will be either the bike or treadmill. who knows. also,, when is the best time to do the blood test?