Hey 405 , whats your new BMR calculation?

[mockery]

sitting at 156 lbs lbm

and weighting in at 186.7lbs 84.7 kgs
15-15.9% bf

resistance training 5 days a week. two heavy compound days and 3 hypertrophy days.

where does your new formula put me at BMR and TDEE ?

i am curious to see your numbers as i am gearing up to run anabolic and looking for a slow blast re-comp over a long period of time. abusing var, test and mast. with the tail end of it being tren and test

I KNOW from gbrice infinite wisdom that i will have to measure and monitor bf gain each week to determine if im eating to much, I really believe in recomp and believe lean mass is attainable , naturally its possible at 5-12lbs a years, 5 lbs being more realistic of TRUE lean body mass, not the imaginary shit lifters think they have gained, so on anabolic why cant it be higher?

i am interested in your new theory and together we can finally make all the gym rat fanbois dreams come true of the "lean bulk" lololololol

[--->>405<<---]

bear in mind i am only beginning to experiment with my cals from a new approach. not for a minute am i claiming to have a legitimate formula to calculate tdee but after talking it over with GB about the inaccuracies of the activity multiplier have decided to go off BMR and try to estimate necessary cals above that based on daily activity. this is only an estimate.

first u figure BMR (which i dont think this formula is the prob)

186.7lbs and 15.9%bf BMR = 1908cals

from there it would depend on ur daily activity. if u lift for 1 hr IMO from what ive read ud burn on average around 200-250cals.. so lets call it 225cals.
1908 +225 = 2133

if u did 45mins moderate cardio i would guess ur ave cal burned per minute to be 10cals per minute so 450cals. (i would think 10cals/min to be on the low end of ave. most machines put me around 16 cals per minute)

i found this to be interesting: "The Harvard Medical School notes that an hour of moderate cycling on a stationary bike burns 420 calories per hour if you weigh 125 lbs., and 622 calories if you weigh 185 lbs.; exercising on an elliptical machine for an hour burns 540 calories if you weigh 125 lbs., and 800 calories if you weigh 185 lbs."

so 450cals burned in 45mins would be 600 in 1hr... close enuff

2133 + 450 = 2583 to me this would be a close representation of how many cals u actually need to maintain ur weight. this would also just be a starting point and u will prob have to make adjustments. i would hope i judged it erring to the side of too little cals vs too many! its how im gonna do mine and see what happens..

if ur bulking then u would add however many cals u deemed necessary.. maybe 350cals would be a good slow start which would put u
at 2933cals for a bulk starting point

seems like a logical way to go about it and worth a shot! im sure there are some errors i dont see but like i said weve gotta start somewhere.

in case u were wondering based on the typical activity multiplier of 1.55 ur TDEE with a BMR of 1908cals would be 2957cals.. (374cals more than what i guesstimate ur maintenance cals to be)..

[mockery]

interesting so if i m not doing cardio this changes things a lot? my life is kinda all over the place so i dont have the drive to do fasted cardio at 430 but im lifting at 430 sometimes cause im use to being up at that time. I know ill have to trial and error on my part but i wanna be able to pin point the minimum i need to grow in terms of of surplus calories.

before trying to diet at -500 calories i didnt do anything but maintain, then you suggest -900 and i LOST weight at a rapid weight while keeping lean mass. So i know your bmr may not be perfect or proven. but thats what im here for ! to help test this and trouble shoot it, in 2 week increments then modify .

it will be all the new rave the 405gbricemokery formula lol, move over katch!

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LOL.. the only real "gray area" i can see (other than estimating cals burned during workout) is how many cals u need to get thru the day. BMR is cals burned at rest. obviously ur not resting when ur awake and doing stuff. so 1908 BMR would/should change due to daily activity (non exercise) im just not sure how much

[mockery]

LOL.. the only real "gray area" i can see (other than estimating cals burned during workout) is how many cals u need to get thru the day. BMR is cals burned at rest. obviously ur not resting when ur awake and doing stuff. so 1908 BMR would/should change due to daily activity (non exercise) im just not sure how much

this would be good to find out, how much is burned thinking, or sitting at the computer, during sex and energy consumed while digesting food.

[--->>405<<---]

why dont u see if u can find out! --- homework

[mockery]

I m pretty sure food digestion would be the biggest expenditure of energy on days where their is no exercise.

[gbrice75]

You fools are expending more energy overthinking and overcalculating TDEE!! For the love of God, just eat, train and rest. Be sensible with your calories, and use your progress (or lack thereof) as the tool to measure what and when to change!!!

[--->>405<<---]

^^ hey GB how many xtra cals do u think were burning per day analyzing and think about our tdee? Should we factor those additional cals in?? LOL

[mockery]

^^ hey GB how many xtra cals do u think were burning per day analyzing and think about our tdee? Should we factor those additional cals in?? LOL

hahah

[gbrice75]

^^ hey GB how many xtra cals do u think were burning per day analyzing and think about our tdee? Should we factor those additional cals in?? LOL

hahah

I'm surprised you haven't both shrunken down to 110lb skeletons!

[mockery]

I'm surprised you haven't both shrunken down to 110lb skeletons!

i made sure i had half a meal replacement bar before i typed "haha" calories in = calories out

[gbrice75]

Meal replacement bar... man, you're gtg! Beats real food every time.

[Razor]

Meal replacement bar... man, you're gtg! Beats real food every time.

Uhg...I hate those bars, I must be eating the wrongs ones, which ones do you use?

[mockery]

Uhg...I hate those bars, I must be eating the wrongs ones, which ones do you use?

u have fallen victim to his sarcasm trap

ITS A TRAP

ITS A TRAP

[mockery]

so in reality since im not doing cardio. and im only training for an hour of resistance training. using the 1.5/1.6 modifier is throwing me way off?

So BMR + day to day ( in my case 220calories for resistance training) daily activity = new TDEE , hence added additional fat gain During a bulk? (yes there will always be fat gain with muscle gain)

[mockery]

Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE)
The total calories you require on a daily basis, including:

Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR)
Non-Exercise Associated Thermogenesis (NEAT) which is calorie requirements from normal daily activity (NOT from exercise) like walking, working, chores, etc.
Exercise Associated Thermogenesis (EAT) which is calorie requirements from planned exercise and sports
Thermic Effect of Feeding (TEF) which are calories associated with eating and digestion

TEF varies according to macro-nutrient and fiber content of your diet, with Protein having a TEF of up to 30% of the consumed calories, while Carbs is around 6% and Fat a mere 3%.

So now in my quest of over thinking i have to read up on the NEAT, EAT, TEF and learn more about these.

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interesting! ill have to give this a look over. did u get any averages based on weight, age, bf%??

[mockery]

interesting! ill have to give this a look over. did u get any averages based on weight, age, bf%??

nothing yet, im gonna try emailing lyle and see if he will get back to me.

[mockery]

TEF varies according to macro-nutrient and fiber content of your diet, with Protein having a TEF of up to 30% of the consumed calories

am i reading and understanding this right?

maybe our bodies were not meat to eat meat and high protein lol.

[mockery]

lots of cited papers written on these various topics of interests., if you enjoy reading this stuff. Im reading about the (NEAT) right now,

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nothing yet, im gonna try emailing lyle and see if he will get back to me.

interesting idea..