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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor

    What do you use to grind up your oats?
    Grind them up!?! Put them in a shaker with protein powder and egg whites and drink that sh1t straight up man! Just DO IT!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor

    OK so stick with 300carbs? And can you elaborate more on the first paragraph, hard to follow.
    Adjust carbs as needed. If you're working out 4x or more and doing fasted cardio, see how you do. 300g may be low but yes, with no gear it could be within requirements. You should adjust as needed. I review my macros daily and adjust as needed to stay within prescribed ranges.

    I'm eating 400+g carbs and protein daily and dropping weight.

    .....of course I'm running a ridiculous stack until end of month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor

    What do you use to grind up your oats?
    I use a blender.. turns em in to powder nicely. Used to use a food processor but it didn't seem to grind them up as fine.

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    Aight I just did a shake, 2/3 cup of oats, 50gm protein, frozen mixed berries and skim milk. not too bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    Lol, I use determination. I just eat them raw. I was getting so tired of fish every day that last week I put my cooked salmon in a blender and then drank that crap. It was awful but I got it down.

    Cheat meal sounds awesome but I'm sticking to my current meal plan for 60 days. No cheating!
    lol salmon in a blender.. thats hardcore man...

    I once put my tuna salad (tuna, romaine, olive oil, hb egg, white wine vinegar and an avocado) in a blender.. never again..

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    Why is it the better you want to look the nastier our food gets?


    The oat shakes and shicken sure do get old. . . But, looking solid sure is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420
    Why is it the better you want to look the nastier our food gets?

    The oat shakes and shicken sure do get old. . . But, looking solid sure is nice.
    If looking lean and good was easy, everyone would look that way! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasc

    lol salmon in a blender.. thats hardcore man...

    I once put my tuna salad (tuna, romaine, olive oil, hb egg, white wine vinegar and an avocado) in a blender.. never again..
    It was harsh man but I was so annoyed at the gag reflex trying to eat it normally, I said screw it, in the blender you go! It tasted worse than ass but it went down....and more importantly....stayed down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    If looking lean and good was easy, everyone would look that way! Lol

    No shit, huh. . . . Just like anything you want to accomplish. Like being MInk M.D. < that couldn't come easy.


    Still worth eating the nastiest shit and working out till you can't lift your arms just to say I really am better than the next guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420

    No shit, huh. . . . Just like anything you want to accomplish. Like being MInk M.D. < that couldn't come easy.

    Still worth eating the nastiest shit and working out till you can't lift your arms just to say I really am better than the next guy
    Many times I wondered if it was worth it. In fact, in my second year of University I was kicked out for failing three courses (I was just too lazy). The year off was very introspective and I was pissed at myself for not trying harder. When I returned I finished with a 3.97 GPA in the top 3% of graduating class. All it took was the right decision and some discipline!

    Hell ya.....some of the best days at the gym are the days after when you are so sore you realize just how hard you pushed yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Hell ya.....some of the best days at the gym are the days after when you are so sore you realize just how hard you pushed yourself!
    I agree 100%, For me, when training, its that 90 minutes that I feel completely free and unstoppable, hard to explain, but its the best feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    OK so stick with 300carbs? And can you elaborate more on the first paragraph, hard to follow.
    gaining LBM lean body mass , and especially naturally inst all that easy. i gave you an example take chicken breast, solid muscle. grab 1lbs and have a good look you're gonna gain less then this a month with hardcore training, good diet etc etc.

    Too many people look at the bloat, the pump and scale weight and will be like "sick i grow 4 lbs this week" everything you do, including your daily calorie needs has to be based off lean muscle mass. especially protein intake.

    remember a lot of guys fill out nicely with fat and water, makes their chest bigger, back pumps and what not. look at 405 at 27% bf down to 7% does it look like hes getting smaller ?? hes been eating in a deficit all this time minus some cheating on his part.

    also your daily calorie needs has to be based off your lbm, not your weight. and i learned the hard way and with 405 help that even if your weight goes down. but your lbm is going up your TDEE gets bigger, not smaller even if you are losing weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery View Post
    gaining LBM lean body mass , and especially naturally inst all that easy. i gave you an example take chicken breast, solid muscle. grab 1lbs and have a good look you're gonna gain less then this a month with hardcore training, good diet etc etc.

    Too many people look at the bloat, the pump and scale weight and will be like "sick i grow 4 lbs this week" everything you do, including your daily calorie needs has to be based off lean muscle mass. especially protein intake.

    remember a lot of guys fill out nicely with fat and water, makes their chest bigger, back pumps and what not. look at 405 at 27% bf down to 7% does it look like hes getting smaller ?? hes been eating in a deficit all this time minus some cheating on his part.

    also your daily calorie needs has to be based off your lbm, not your weight. and i learned the hard way and with 405 help that even if your weight goes down. but your lbm is going up your TDEE gets bigger, not smaller even if you are losing weight.
    Very interesting. I have many things to think about and go over now.

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    fasting and carb cycling has taught me so much about my body. This is for me and me alone, ive given up fasted cardio so that i can do fasted resistance training instead.

    im no longer worried if i miss a meal

    i no longer rush to get nutrients in after a work out in a set amount of time.

    personally using deloads and static deconditioning i know longer worry if i miss 10 days at the gym.

    i don't worry about casein as my last source of protein, cause i can eat a steak or stack fat with my protein to slow it down.

    i now know as long as i am resistance training i will not go into a catabolic state.

    body weight is useless info

    bf% and lbm is where its at.

    measurements over scales.

    not having food for a long period of time isnt gonna make me lose muscle or stunt growth.

    GH release is fueled and improved by longer fasting 20-24 hours


    I have a friend who is big. 104kgs, 14 % bf and each week he adds.5 -1kg of weight on, hes becoming leaner each month and bigger. and his strength after i taught him a few things shot through tthe roof. this is his diet to achieve this.

    cup oats with PB after fasted cardio.

    lattee

    2 whole eggs every 2 hours for 8 hours

    sometimes a salad a with chicken and bacon.

    kangaroo sausages and beef mince and a protein shake after the gym.

    and that's all he eats. he reached his genetic potential sleeps 10 hours a day, has no stress. and even with this diet he grows and grows. Yes hes on cypiate just a low blasting dose for the past 7 months.

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    Here I go, I dont want to workout but Im going to!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    Why is it the better you want to look the nastier our food gets?


    The oat shakes and shicken sure do get old. . . But, looking solid sure is nice.
    I wish I started counting how much bulk oatmeal I have eaten in the last year and half Its a small sacrifice!

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    Razor. how much time u giving yourself to achieve this LBM? 90 days?

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    5-6 months. Whatever I gain in that time will be great, but I'm going on cycle so that's were the real gains will come

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery View Post
    gaining LBM lean body mass , and especially naturally inst all that easy. i gave you an example take chicken breast, solid muscle. grab 1lbs and have a good look you're gonna gain less then this a month with hardcore training, good diet etc etc.

    Too many people look at the bloat, the pump and scale weight and will be like "sick i grow 4 lbs this week" everything you do, including your daily calorie needs has to be based off lean muscle mass. especially protein intake.

    remember a lot of guys fill out nicely with fat and water, makes their chest bigger, back pumps and what not. look at 405 at 27% bf down to 7% does it look like hes getting smaller ?? hes been eating in a deficit all this time minus some cheating on his part.

    also your daily calorie needs has to be based off your lbm, not your weight. and i learned the hard way and with 405 help that even if your weight goes down. but your lbm is going up your TDEE gets bigger, not smaller even if you are losing weight.
    Interesting timing of this comment. I'm on a "bulking" cycle but managed to drop 5 lbs already but it's not a loss of strength or muscle. I'm getting leaner. It's too easy to get caught up looking at the scale and freaking out when the numbers go down or celbrating early when the numbers go up. It's gains in LBM, not water or fat that should be the goal and sometimes this means your totla body weight will decline as fat is reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    5-6 months. Whatever I gain in that time will be great, but I'm going on cycle so that's were the real gains will come
    6 months to a year body recomp is where its at, yoyo gear diets with bulk and cut can suck my shriveled nut sack.

    mind you the real fat loss will kick in 6 months after you start your GH

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery

    6 months to a year body recomp is where its at, yoyo gear diets with bulk and cut can suck my shriveled nut sack.

    mind you the real fat loss will kick in 6 months after you start your GH
    I've been on gh for more than a year, I'm currently off it clearing up some Gyno for few weeks then back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    I've been on gh for more than a year, I'm currently off it clearing up some Gyno for few weeks then back on.
    im surprised you are not leaner? even at 2ui it should help shred body fat like whoa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery

    im surprised you are not leaner? even at 2ui it should help shred body fat like whoa...
    It's hard to get leaner when bulking and eating a ton of food

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post
    I wish I started counting how much bulk oatmeal I have eaten in the last year and half Its a small sacrifice!
    No shit, huh. . . I get the giant double bag boxes at Sam's Club. Cheap as it can be. Currently it's my only carb source.

    Raz dawg, that is a hell of a change though. I seen your before pic, it's a hell of a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420

    No shit, huh. . . I get the giant double bag boxes at Sam's Club. Cheap as it can be. Currently it's my only carb source.

    Raz dawg, that is a hell of a change though. I seen your before pic, it's a hell of a difference.
    Thanks bro, been Working hard at it

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    Light day today 20minutes of Stairmaster
    Eating clean is so hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor
    Light day today 20minutes of Stairmaster
    Eating clean is so hard!
    Eating clean is so hard!?! What have you been doing before!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    Eating clean is so hard!
    Dawg, I so agree. . . . 2 weeks in and I just feel mad dry compared to my marshmellowy before self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    Eating clean is so hard!?! What have you been doing before!?!
    Eating whatever I want, not bad food just lots of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    Aight I just did a shake, 2/3 cup of oats, 50gm protein, frozen mixed berries and skim milk. not too bad
    Delicious! Do it all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor

    Eating whatever I want, not bad food just lots of it.
    Sigh......much to learn grasshopper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Sigh......much to learn grasshopper.
    Worked well so far ive gained 40lbs and kept all of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Rockin Razor!
    Cupcake Razor!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post
    Cupcake Razor!!!
    Lol
    ok time to cook breakfast, oatmeal w/ protien powder, 10 egg whites, english muffins (Ezekiel bread muffins) almod butter with raw honey

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    so what is your philosophy on workout frequency and rotation schedule. oh, i see u don't do cardio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post
    so what is your philosophy on workout frequency and rotation schedule. oh, i see u don't do cardio?
    No I do cardio, read the first post again

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