Complete and incomplete protein mixed together.......

[slimshady01]

Layne Norton who has phd in Nutrional Sciences and also one hell of a natty BBer... says that you need to count all protein sources when mixed together.


For example... 1 scoop of whey 25 protein and 2 pieces of whole wheat bread " 10 protein" this equals 35 grams of protein but only 25 most of use would count towards are macronutrient goals.

He says the complete protein in the whey " or whatever complete source" will make the incomplete source a complete source by mixing all amino acids together.

Is this common knowledge or is this something new and beneficial for others out there?

[mockery]

he wrote one of his papers at school on it so he believes in it.

i don't add them for the simple fast that why? then you are dependent on them. u need wiggle room and at the end of the day you get 50 more grams of protein in then great. or u missed one meal but you still got an extra 50 grams of protein in great.

[slimshady01]

he wrote one of his papers at school on it so he believes in it.

i don't add them for the simple fast that why? then you are dependent on them. u need wiggle room and at the end of the day you get 50 more grams of protein in then great. or u missed one meal but you still got an extra 50 grams of protein in great.

Yeah I don't think it will make or break anyone but I looked at yesterday's meals and had close to 60-70 grams of incomplete proteins. That's close to 300 calories I could use for carbs if needed more for bulking or even cutting.

[mockery]

Is it?

well go ahead and drop 70 grams of complete protein, factor in what you just said and ad another 70 carbs and tell us how you go over the next 6 weeks

[slimshady01]

Is it?

well go ahead and drop 70 grams of complete protein, factor in what you just said and ad another 70 carbs and tell us how you go over the next 6 weeks

Well yeah 70x4 is 280 calories I could use towards more carbs etc...

I'm going to mess around with, starting slow bulk Monday.

But it's hard mentally since I've done it the normal way for years.

Even when you google mixing the 2 proteins it says it makes the incomplete complete.

[mockery]

if its worked for you all this time, is there a need to change?

[digsy1983]

ive been adding essential aminos powder to some of my meals, just add some into water and chug down (tastes aweful. gritty and bitter) after my meal just so i was getting as much protein use as possible from minimal cals. have you guys been adding you protein count up on the useable protein or just as a whole factor?

[slimshady01]

if its worked for you all this time, is there a need to change?

It hasnt always worked, I would gain to much bf and didn't want to lower carbs or fat. I would normally take in 1.5 protein per lb but actually this would end being over 2 per lb on bulk counting incomplete.

This time around im going 1gram per lb on complete and the incomplete will take me back to the 1.5. This will shave off some calories and hopefully will be a cleaner bulk without sacrificing muscle.

[digsy1983]

why do you think its the protein thats adding to your BF? and also why dont you wana lower ya carbs or fat?
(i aint got any answers for ya, just intregued to know why)

[slimshady01]

why do you think its the protein thats adding to your BF? and also why dont you wana lower ya carbs or fat?
(i aint got any answers for ya, just intregued to know why)

It's overall calories but I don't need 2.0 per lb of protein that's insane. My body uses the low 250-300 carbs I take so I don't want to pull from there.

To much of any macro can make one fat. If I'm giving my body more protein then it needs it will either store it as fat or convert to glucose which is a much harder process then simply using the glucose from true carb sources that's already present.

[gbrice75]

I agree with Layne Norton. I do not dismiss incomplete proteins simply because they're imcomplete. If you were eating an incomplete source by itself, that'd be one thing. But 9 times out of 10 we're eating them along with something else - e.g. rice and beans, peanuts and wheat, etc. It's not like your body looks at the aminos from a given source as a whole and says "uh oh! These aren't complete. Discard!!" The amino's 'pool' in your system for a period of time, and combine with missing aminos from other sources to create complete proteins that your body can use.

Personally, if my protein goal is 250g/day, I try to get 250g of complete protein. BUT I don't stress over missing the mark, because I know I am easily hitting 250g when considering the incomplete sources. I also bear in mind that my total macros and calories will always be higher than what i'm aiming for.

[gbrice75]

Is it?

well go ahead and drop 70 grams of complete protein, factor in what you just said and ad another 70 carbs and tell us how you go over the next 6 weeks

He'd likely be fine.

[slimshady01]

I agree with Layne Norton. I do not dismiss incomplete proteins simply because they're imcomplete. If you were eating an incomplete source by itself, that'd be one thing. But 9 times out of 10 we're eating them along with something else - e.g. rice and beans, peanuts and wheat, etc. It's not like your body looks at the aminos from a given source as a whole and says "uh oh! These aren't complete. Discard!!" The amino's 'pool' in your system for a period of time, and combine with missing aminos from other sources to create complete proteins that your body can use.

Personally, if my protein goal is 250g/day, I try to get 250g of complete protein. BUT I don't stress over missing the mark, because I know I am easily hitting 250g when considering the incomplete sources. I also bear in mind that my total macros and calories will always be higher than what i'm aiming for.

Good post, I'm posting at work from my iPhone or I would go more into depth as you did. Well done.

I've been reading a lot of laynes stuff recently and it's amazing how much of what we follow is bro science. I just love how anything he talks about is backed by research.

[gbrice75]

^^ true - although the ORIGINAL definition of 'broscience' was claims based on research vs. real life experience. Kind of ironic how the word now has the complete opposite meaning!

[mockery]

Personally, if my protein goal is 250g/day, I try to get 250g of complete protein. BUT I don't stress over missing the mark, because I know I am easily hitting 250g when considering the incomplete sources. I also bear in mind that my total macros and calories will always be higher than what i'm aiming for.

yeah this works for me as well!, trial and error, dont give up just adjust

[mockery]

Layne is cool, Ive been a bigger fan of Brian haycock for science info on the back end of training. not saying at all Layne is worse or wrong. just my preference.

[gbrice75]

I'm still a Lyle McDonald fan.

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ive never focused on "complete protein" i just always total all protein and go by that.. same with carbs. (except veggies as of late).

[mockery]

I'm still a Lyle McDonald fan.

diet wise for sure... if i listen to lyle i could only train 3 days a week and keep totals sets around 6 lol

[gbrice75]

diet wise for sure... if i listen to lyle i could only train 3 days a week and keep totals sets around 6 lol

Agreed - I tend to listen to his diet advice and ignore his workout suggestions, lol.

What do you think of Alan Aragon?

[calstate23]

Layne Norton who has phd in Nutrional Sciences and also one hell of a natty BBer... says that you need to count all protein sources when mixed together.


For example... 1 scoop of whey 25 protein and 2 pieces of whole wheat bread " 10 protein" this equals 35 grams of protein but only 25 most of use would count towards are macronutrient goals.

He says the complete protein in the whey " or whatever complete source" will make the incomplete source a complete source by mixing all amino acids together.

Is this common knowledge or is this something new and beneficial for others out there?

The "Incomplete protein and Complete protein" is more of an important topic for vegetarians and vegans since they do not eat meat. See all animal protein is a complete protein so us meat eaters don't even have to worry about it. Whereas, a vegetarian needs to mix certain foods to make a complete protein or else they would be depriving their body of essential amino acids.

Any true bodybuilder or lifter should be having most of their meals as whole meals. Including a meat source in each meal...And if you're doing that you're getting far enough complete protein in each meal...Again, since all animal meat is a complete protein

And furthermore, I personally don't count my protein from carb sources as as you say it typically isn't a complete protein. I'll count it as part of my calories but I always make sure my protein is hit with an animal source. I also don't care because in most carb meals you're only getting anyways between 1-10 grams protein. And typically it is usually in the 5 g range.

And even furthermore...I do not like to count incomplete proteins is because even if you made it a complete protein the amount of essential amio acids you are getting is far less then from meat.

This is why I tell vegetarians that they are most likely depriving their body of essential amino acids without them knowing it. The reason is because the mix and match carb sources to make a complete protein but what they are not realizing is that the ACTUAL amount of essential amino acids they are getting is far less then an animal source.

So just because it is supposedly a "Complete protein" doesn't mean it is ANYWHERE NEAR as effective as an animal meat

[slimshady01]

The "Incomplete protein and Complete protein" is more of an important topic for vegetarians and vegans since they do not eat meat. See all animal protein is a complete protein so us meat eaters don't even have to worry about it. Whereas, a vegetarian needs to mix certain foods to make a complete protein or else they would be depriving their body of essential amino acids.

Any true bodybuilder or lifter should be having most of their meals as whole meals. Including a meat source in each meal...And if you're doing that you're getting far enough complete protein in each meal...Again, since all animal meat is a complete protein

And furthermore, I personally don't count my protein from carb sources as as you say it typically isn't a complete protein. I'll count it as part of my calories but I always make sure my protein is hit with an animal source. I also don't care because in most carb meals you're only getting anyways between 1-10 grams protein. And typically it is usually in the 5 g range.

And even furthermore...I do not like to count incomplete proteins is because even if you made it a complete protein the amount of essential amio acids you are getting is far less then from meat.

This is why I tell vegetarians that they are most likely depriving their body of essential amino acids without them knowing it. The reason is because the mix and match carb sources to make a complete protein but what they are not realizing is that the ACTUAL amount of essential amino acids they are getting is far less then an animal source.

So just because it is supposedly a "Complete protein" doesn't mean it is ANYWHERE NEAR as effective as an animal meat

Good post bro.

[slimshady01]

Agreed - I tend to listen to his diet advice and ignore his workout suggestions, lol.

What do you think of Alan Aragon?

I'm going to try laynes PHAT workout routine starting monday with a test and cycle.
I think it's going to work great since its going to completely shock my muscles.