How many Carbs PWO?

[Live for the PUMP]

I noticed in the stickies it says, "A general rule of thumb is 40-60 grams whey protein, and double the amount of whey in carbohydrates". That would be 80-120 carbs for the PWO meal. Should we really eat that many carbs or is this information out of date? For all my years I have only ate 40-50g of carbs PWO, but since reading this I have aimed for 70-100. What is your thoughts and opinions??

[LiveFitBeFit]

I always do- 2 scoops whey isolate, with a banana PWO. And on my low carb day I do half cup oats instead of the banana. I stick with either 25-50ish grams post workout.

[Times Roman]

all this discussion is with respect to the theory of the anabolic window Post Work out. Now, I have read a book or two, with cited case studies to support their conclusions that agree to the 2:1 carb/protein post workout principal. However, several vets whom i respect have said that theory is pure BS, and that simply eating correctly is all you need.

Unfortunately, I have not seen any data that

[austinite]

It doesn't matter. Eat right all day and you never have to worry about these theories.

[AXx]

It doesn't matter. Eat right all day and you never have to worry about these theories.

I like this theory ^^^^

[stpete]

I noticed in the stickies it says, "A general rule of thumb is 40-60 grams whey protein, and double the amount of whey in carbohydrates". That would be 80-120 carbs for the PWO meal. Should we really eat that many carbs or is this information out of date? For all my years I have only ate 40-50g of carbs PWO, but since reading this I have aimed for 70-100. What is your thoughts and opinions??

I typically eat that much PWO.

[mockery]

depends what your goals are. when you train in the day and what time in teh day you are consuming complex or simple carbs.

[Bulkn]

all this discussion is with respect to the theory of the anabolic window Post Work out. Now, I have read a book or two, with cited case studies to support their conclusions that agree to the 2:1 carb/protein post workout principal. However, several vets whom i respect have said that theory is pure BS, and that simply eating correctly is all you need.

Unfortunately, I have not seen any data that

I really want to see these studies / data too!
And the simple vs complex carb PWO debate?? I used to just use simple carbs but now i do half and half just incase.

[951thompson]

all this discussion is with respect to the theory of the anabolic window Post Work out. Now, I have read a book or two, with cited case studies to support their conclusions that agree to the 2:1 carb/protein post workout principal. However, several vets whom i respect have said that theory is pure BS, and that simply eating correctly is all you need.

Unfortunately, I have not seen any data that

I agree, your body feeds off you glycogen stores post work out. Anything you eat post workout will just top up your glycogen stores, if you are eating well though out the day, you don't need to eat straight after your workout.
People who intermittent fast prove this by going long periods of time without food, some even workout fasted, the fuel your body is using though the fasted period of time is your glycogen stores and fat reserves. It takes 48 hours without food for your body to run out of glycogen, then your body turns cattobolic. It takes 48 hours for your body to turn cattobolic! So in a nutshell there is no one hour window.

[Live for the PUMP]

I agree, your body feeds off you glycogen stores post work out. No your body feeds off glycogen stores at all times. Anything you eat post workout will just top up your glycogen stores, if you are eating well though out the day, you don't need to eat straight after your workout. No. This is statement is completely wrong. After a workout your glycogen stores are depleted NOT topped off. How much they are depleted depends on amount of and intensity of exercise.
People who intermittent fast prove this by going long periods of time without food, some even workout fasted, the fuel your body is using though the fasted period of time is your glycogen stores and fat reserves. It takes 48 hours without food for your body to run out of glycogen, then your body turns cattobolic. Run out of Glycogen?! Do you even know what Glycogen is? Where its stored? Again sentence is total B.S. It takes 48 hours for your body to turn cattobolic! So in a nutshell there is no one hour window.

Dude about every sentence you just said is BULL SH*T. I'm not sure if you make this stuff up to pretend you are educated or whether you get your knowledge from high school kids at the gym.... Quit giving advice and pick up a book. Learn about something before you give advice on it. I am an educated personal trainer, so you can't pull this garbage on me. Nothing more ignorant than someone giving advice on a subject they have no clue about.

[Live for the PUMP]

I really want to see these studies / data too!
And the simple vs complex carb PWO debate?? I used to just use simple carbs but now i do half and half just incase.

Simple vs. Complex PWO is truly a debate on its own! I still stick with High GI (Cream of Rice) and milk.

[ANIMAL]

Your diet is geared towards what you are trying to accomplish with your body. If one person takes in 80g carbs PWO it doesn't mean it's good for you. There's a reason why people take in a specific number of carbs to hit a macro total each day. Assuming you are bulking/maintaining and having a steady amount of carbs in each meal?

I also never have any simple carbs. I tried it for quite some time doing white rice or potato PWO and I did not like it. I use sweet potato pre-workout and rolled oats post workout like clock work. I do not believe in the whole MAGIC window or spiking insulin as you walk into the gym locker room to get your bag after a workout.

[951thompson]

Dude about every sentence you just said is BULL SH*T. I'm not sure if you make this stuff up to pretend you are educated or whether you get your knowledge from high school kids at the gym.... Quit giving advice and pick up a book. Learn about something before you give advice on it. I am an educated personal trainer, so you can't pull this garbage on me. Nothing more ignorant than someone giving advice on a subject they have no clue about.

Go do some research ballbag! Google search 'glycogen stores'

[951thompson]

After you have finished your research An apology would be nice?

I will let you off seen as your a noob!

What have I told you about commenting on things you know nothing about?

[951thompson]

Ghji

[stpete]

Go do some research ballbag! Google search 'glycogen stores'

The ballbag comment is uncalled for. Calm it down a little.

And yeah, interested in what you have a degree in.

[951thompson]

The ballbag comment is uncalled for. Calm it down a little.

And yeah, interested in what you have a degree in.

Message received

I have a degree in information technology ;-)

[Live for the PUMP]

Message received

I have a degree in information technology ;-)

Stick to what you know. Because your knowledge of nutrition is Terrible. You will never learn because you can't take advice. You are a know it all with a serious roid rage problem. Whats up with all the junior high name calling. Are you 12 or 31?

[951thompson]

Stick to what you know. Because your knowledge of nutrition is Terrible. You will never learn because you can't take advice. You are a know it all with a serious roid rage problem. Whats up with all the junior high name calling. Are you 12 or 31?

Ok so your saying what I said about post work out window is bullshit, where are your facts to back it up your claim? You can't go dismiss someone comments without evidence. You have to have some intelligence behind your claim? I've give you a source to my evidence ( google search glycogen stores)
you sir are the one that is out of line! Glycogen is the science behind why there is no need for a immediate post workout meal. Prove me wrong smart guy???

[Live for the PUMP]

Ok so your saying what I said about post work out window is bullshit, where are your facts to back it up your claim? You can't go dismiss someone comments without evidence. You have to have some intelligence behind your claim? I've give you a source to my evidence ( google search glycogen stores)
you sir are the one that is out of line! Glycogen is the science behind why there is no need for a immediate post workout meal. Prove me wrong smart guy???

Most of the stuff you say is Bullsh*t. I don't need to google glycogen because I am educated on it. I'm not going to try to prove you wrong I am a little more mature than that. However I will share a little knowledge with you. When carbs are consumed they are stored as glycogen. These glycogen stores are in your liver and muscles. When they get topped off carbs are stored as adipose tissue(fat). Which can also be used for energy. Anyways your glycogen levels get depleted when you workout or do cardio. How much they get depleted depends on intensity and duration of workout. Therefore immediately after a workout is the most crucial time to consume carbs. For one and most importantly to replenish glycogen stores. Secondly to maintain blood sugar levels. For these reasons It is also why I believe a simple (HIGH GI) carb is most beneficial. Because a high GI carb is going to be absorbed much quicker than low GI(complex) carbs. Also I keep fat to a minimum for the PWO meal because that slows absorption. PWO meal is the most important meal you will have all day. If you don't believe this its your loss.

[Live for the PUMP]

If you don't believe anything I said, take it up with American Counsel on Exercise not me. Don't know who they are you say... Google it.

[stpete]

Message received

I have a degree in information technology ;-)

Thank you

[951thompson]

Most of the stuff you say is Bullsh*t. I don't need to google glycogen because I am educated on it. I'm not going to try to prove you wrong I am a little more mature than that. However I will share a little knowledge with you. When carbs are consumed they are stored as glycogen. These glycogen stores are in your liver and muscles. When they get topped off carbs are stored as adipose tissue(fat). Which can also be used for energy. Anyways your glycogen levels get depleted when you workout or do cardio. How much they get depleted depends on intensity and duration of workout. Therefore immediately after a workout is the most crucial time to consume carbs. For one and most importantly to replenish glycogen stores. Secondly to maintain blood sugar levels. For these reasons It is also why I believe a simple (HIGH GI) carb is most beneficial. Because a high GI carb is going to be absorbed much quicker than low GI(complex) carbs. Also I keep fat to a minimum for the PWO meal because that slows absorption. PWO meal is the most important meal you will have all day. If you don't believe this its your loss.

Im not disputing that the post workout meal is the most important meal, but my argument is that it doesn't have to be consumed immediately. You don't need to consume the meal within one hour of training. Yes your glycogen can be depleted but for it to completely run out it takes 48 hours. There is no rush to consume your post work out meal.

I liked your last post, you came at me intelligently with manners, why couldn't you do that the first time?

I don't really understand your attitude towards me. How can you say my opinion are "rubbish" and that I know "nothing"

Sir you don't know how much knowledge I have on training because all you know of me is a few posts you have read.

Now I can't recall me going out of my way to be rude to you, so why do you feel the need to be this way to me?

Everyone has opinions, some you won't agree with but this doesn't mean your have to attack someone if they have a different view to you.
I don't agree with alot of the stuff I read in here but I don't feel the need to say to someone your opinion is rubbish, you know why because I have respect!

[baseline_9]

Lets keep it respectful guys.... This is an online board so lets not post any 'personal' comments... It just looks immature...

Anyway.... Im not going to take sides...... I will let you guys debate this one out between the both of you.... Debate guys.... Not an argument.....


If either of you post another disrespectful comment I will flag this thread and both of you.....


Have fun

[Capebuffalo]

The ballbag comment is uncalled for. Calm it down a little.

And yeah, interested in what you have a degree in.

Every time someone disagrees with him he calls them a name.

I have pointed this out to him several times. He is a very angry person

But if I thought I knew everything a d was wrong I would by angry as well I guess.

Frankly Im tired of the name calling.

[Capebuffalo]

There also appears to be a two-hour optimal window immediately after the cessation of exercise for the administration of carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates appear to be the preferred replacement during this replenishment period.

Normally, 2% of glycogen is resynthesized per hour after the initial 2 hours immediately after exercise. With administration of 50 grams of carbohydrate every 2 hours, the rate rose to 5% per hour, but did not rise when additional carbohydrate was administered. Administration of .7grams per kg body weight every two hours is another strategy that appears to maximize the rate of glycogen resynthesis. There is also some evidence that even smaller loads (28 grams every 15 minutes) may induce even greater repletion rates.

[951thompson]

Every time someone disagrees with him he calls them a name.

I have pointed this out to him several times. He is a very angry person

But if I thought I knew everything a d was wrong I would by angry as well I guess.

Frankly Im tired of the name calling.

Have you actually read the thread, it was actually him that attacked me.

I thought you said you was going to stay away from me, you promised.

You are actually stalking me and you are making me uncomfortable. You and a few others here since our debate the other day have obviously taking a disliking to me.

If you don't like my views, just stay away from me simple, debate with others. I will mind my own business you mind yours, deal?

[Capebuffalo]

Have you actually read the thread, it was actually him that attacked me.

I thought you said you was going to stay away from me, you promised.

You are actually stalking me and you are making me uncomfortable. You and a few others here since our debate the other day have obviously taking a disliking to me.

If you don't like my views, just stay away from me simple, debate with others. I will mind my own business you mind yours, deal?

Told you I would stay off your threads. Your right I don't care for you. Your a knowit all who won't take advise or criticism. And always have a name to call. Live for the pump and I share. Mutual respect. No comment on the info I provided that was contrary to yours?

[--->>405<<---]

Have you actually read the thread, it was actually him that attacked me.

I thought you said you was going to stay away from me, you promised.

You are actually stalking me and you are making me uncomfortable. You and a few others here since our debate the other day have obviously taking a disliking to me.

If you don't like my views, just stay away from me simple, debate with others. I will mind my own business you mind yours, deal?

reading this statement actually made me uncomfortable LOL

[951thompson]

Told you I would stay off your threads. Your right I don't care for you. Your a knowit all who won't take advise or criticism. And always have a name to call. Live for the pump and I share. Mutual respect. No comment on the info I provided that was contrary to yours?

I am a student, I love to learn, im a sponge for knowledge.
If you mean I can't except criticisms you are wrong. Have you ever seen me angry on my threads when someone offers me advice on the actual subject the thread is about, its when you guys criticize things im not asking help about, that's when I have a problem. I told you a million times the other day I am happy with my work out regime. The thread wasn't asking for work out advice.
If you don't like the way I work out, that's your opinion, but don't pretend I was asking for it!

So cool we will stay away from one and other

Peace

[951thompson]

reading this statement actually made me uncomfortable LOL

Hehe did it come across abit gay!

[Live for the PUMP]

Have you actually read the thread, it was actually him that attacked me.

I thought you said you was going to stay away from me, you promised.

You are actually stalking me and you are making me uncomfortable. You and a few others here since our debate the other day have obviously taking a disliking to me.

If you don't like my views, just stay away from me simple, debate with others. I will mind my own business you mind yours, deal?

Have you read the thread? I didn't call you any names. I'm not 16 anymore. I called you out on information you provided that was false and incorrect for a fact. I wouldn't jump on someone for an opinion. Did you ever stop to think about how many times you have been called out in the last week. I'm not gonna try and count. Think you need to sit back and regroup. Whatever magazine or wherever it is you come up with these things and get your knowledge is not working. Everyone is trying to tell you this. When someone calls you out or gives you criticism you should learn from it. You just keep calling everyone names and getting a hissy fit (maybe roid rage?). So don't tell me your a sponge and want to learn when all you do is blowup on ppl trying to give you constructive criticism.

[Capebuffalo]

I am a student, I love to learn, im a sponge for knowledge.
If you mean I can't except criticisms you are wrong. Have you ever seen me angry on my threads when someone offers me advice on the actual subject the thread is about, its when you guys criticize things im not asking help about, that's when I have a problem. I told you a million times the other day I am happy with my work out regime. The thread wasn't asking for work out advice.
If you don't like the way I work out, that's your opinion, but don't pretend I was asking for it!

So cool we will stay away from one and other

Peace

Man I will go where ever wrong advise or bullshit is being given. Have a feeling we will talk again.

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hey cape if i recall correctly i prefer this new avi to ur last one

[951thompson]

Have you read the thread? I didn't call you any names. I'm not 16 anymore. I called you out on information you provided that was false and incorrect for a fact. I wouldn't jump on someone for an opinion. Did you ever stop to think about how many times you have been called out in the last week. I'm not gonna try and count. Think you need to sit back and regroup. Whatever magazine or wherever it is you come up with these things and get your knowledge is not working. Everyone is trying to tell you this. When someone calls you out or gives you criticism you should learn from it. You just keep calling everyone names and getting a hissy fit (maybe roid rage?). So don't tell me your a sponge and want to learn when all you do is blowup on ppl trying to give you constructive criticism.

I have not received constructive criticism from you or cape. Listen up guys, different things work for different people. 50% of people the other day agreed with my method of having of having under a minutes rest between sets. You didn't and that's cool, but don't go around shout I don't know shit just because I don't share the same opinion as you.

If you read your original post to me, you have to admit it was abit harsh and confrontational.

[Capebuffalo]

hey cape if i recall correctly i prefer this new avi to ur last one

I was facing forward in the last one. You telling me you don't like my ugly mug? Lol

[Capebuffalo]

951 would you like to debate the info I posted on the subject of this thread?

[Live for the PUMP]

951 would you like to debate the info I posted on the subject of this thread?

The guy doesn't debate.. He just gets very very

[BBJT200]

The closed-mindedness shown in this thread is astounding.

[Capebuffalo]

The guy doesn't debate.. He just gets very very

Seems to be a pattern. Oh well what do you do.

I myself have my most carbs pre and post.