? ? ? Carb Cycling? ? ? 405 ?

[< <Samson> >]

I been trying out this carb cycling shat a bit for a few weeks now. Works. . . . . I pushed low carbs before to ketosis for weight loss.

But, it was very short.

Question one: How do you feel when you are very low on carbs? I don't feel tired or lethargic, but I feel shittier and jittery. But, I am running a EC stack in parallel with this.

Question two: How do you treat your low carb days Vs. carb up days? Low carbs on non workout days or the other way around?



I got a little bit over fifteen pounds to lose, so nothing too crazy.

[--->>405<<---]

[QUOTE=< <Samson> >;6176405]I been trying out this carb cycling shat a bit for a few weeks now. Works. . . . . I pushed low carbs before to ketosis for weight loss.

But, it was very short.

Question one: How do you feel when you are very low on carbs? I don't feel tired or lethargic, but I feel shittier and jittery. But, I am running a EC stack in parallel with this.

when im on low/no carbs i feel ok really. the workouts are a bit tuffer but other than that im GTG.. EC stack def will make u jittery and feel like a crackhead..

Question two: How do you treat your low carb days Vs. carb up days? Low carbs on non workout days or the other way around?

the way i cycle my carbs is i run 3-4days of veggies only (65g carbs worth) and meat. i do total body glycogen depletion workouts on day 1 and 2 and then on day 4 have some carbs pre workout followed by day 5 high carb refeed (off day).

day 6 is a heavy weight low rep workout. day 7 is off. i run a 7 day cycle. its a specific diet. glycogen depletion is what u want because then ur body is forced to burn fat for fuel instead of blood glucose or muscle glycogen cuz u have none of either..

have u read the thread: "hey 405 what is carb cycling?" if not i suggest cheking it out. IMO a 2 day low carb followed by a refeed is not as efficient in burning fat..


I got a little bit over fifteen pounds to lose, so nothing too crazy.

[< <Samson> >]

Aight, makes sense. On my low carb days I only eat veggies and oats for carbs. Also I get a few from the Greek Yogurt I add to my shake.


I am thinking of pushing to about the same then. 3-4 days damn near zero carb, then 1-2 days of carb up days. Still stick to healthy carbs on carb up days for the most part. Hit harder workouts on the low carb days for the first 2 days anyway.

Still do fasted cardio on whatever days too.

Just don't know what to do on carb up days.

[--->>405<<---]

if u havent chekd out the thread chek it out. a good 7day cycle would look something like this:

day1: no/low depletion/am fasted cardio
day2: no/low depletion/am fasted cardio
day3: no/low/cardio only
day4: high/am fasted cardio/pm workout chest/bi/tri
day5: moderate/ legs
day6: moderate/back/shoulders
day7: moderate(finish all carbs by 15:00) off/pm cardio(optional) no lifting

[< <Samson> >]

Looks good. . . I doubt I will be that strict with fasted cardio Vs. my lift days. But, I will concentrate on lifting on carb on days.

The lower I drop my Bf% the better, well to a point. I don't think I want to shoot for single digits this time. Just 10-12% then cycle again.

[Tx89]

Subbed and in for this :-)
We seem to have almost identical mid-term goals and approaches Samson. Lets roll

[digsy1983]

If you're serious about carb cycling I'd suggest reading the book by lyle mcdonald. It explains why you do the depletion workouts and explains the science behind the carb load etc.
I started carb cycling about 3 weeks ago after spending some time setting up and id of saved myself a bit of time and effort if if just read the book. Its far more advanced than I thought cos the workouts and the diet are as important as each other. Alot more involved than I originally thought.

[< <Samson> >]

Subbed and in for this :-)
We seem to have almost identical mid-term goals and approaches Samson. Lets roll

From your Avi, that's what I am shooting for. You seem to be ahead of me mang.

[--->>405<<---]

If you're serious about carb cycling I'd suggest reading the book by lyle mcdonald. It explains why you do the depletion workouts and explains the science behind the carb load etc.
I started carb cycling about 3 weeks ago after spending some time setting up and id of saved myself a bit of time and effort if if just read the book. Its far more advanced than I thought cos the workouts and the diet are as important as each other. Alot more involved than I originally thought.

samson the sample workout and diet above i gave u is NOT ultimate diet 2.0 that digsy was referencing. it is very similar but NOT the same. i prefer UD2 because of the massive refeed on day 5 and im a pig and love to pig out. but u have to read the book and follow the diet exactly IMO like digsy said. u can however cycle ur carbs without UD2 which is how i did it at first and then i switched to UD2 after several weeks on a std carb cycle diet.

[Tx89]

Thanks mate! Currently sitting at 95kg and around ~14%bf...wanna hit 10% at least, 8-9% if possible. Will try it by cycling my carbs. UD 2.0 is great, enjoyed that a Lot thanks to 405 :-) still hesitant to give it a go because im in love with my High frequency conpound based sessions, but from all Ive read and heard theres hardly a better Approach for those already in decent shape that try to get to Single digits. I think im gonna do it

[--->>405<<---]

Thanks mate! Currently sitting at 95kg and around ~14%bf...wanna hit 10% at least, 8-9% if possible. Will try it by cycling my carbs. UD 2.0 is great, enjoyed that a Lot thanks to 405 :-) still hesitant to give it a go because im in love with my High frequency conpound based sessions, but from all Ive read and heard theres hardly a better Approach for those already in decent shape that try to get to Single digits. I think im gonna do it

these terms still confuse me. LOL.. what does a high frequency compound workout look like over a weeks time?? the reason i ask is cuz UD2 is high frequency compound movements as in u lift total body 4 days out of 7 and do compound movements?? u hit every bodypart 4x per week. is this not high frequency?

[Tx89]

Yeah bro, you're right. I didnt make it clear enough. Per defintion high frequency would be at least 5times a week, but what the heck, atm I mostly do only 4 and to me it is also high frequency what I actually meant was more the kind of workout you do, because a typical session with like for example deads, bent over row and military press all done at low reps with the goal to get stronger and Chansing PRs. This differs quite a Lot from the Depletion workouts UD style, even if both are generally whole body workouts. Thats what i meant bro :-)
Btw I just completed my First Depletion Session ever...all I can say is fuuuuuuuaaaaaark!! Its a Lot more demanding than I thought man, it was pain! But I totally dig it! Enjoyed the change and anyways, pain is temporary, but pride is forever right?

[--->>405<<---]

Yeah bro, you're right. I didnt make it clear enough. Per defintion high frequency would be at least 5times a week, but what the heck, atm I mostly do only 4 and to me it is also high frequency what I actually meant was more the kind of workout you do, because a typical session with like for example deads, bent over row and military press all done at low reps with the goal to get stronger and Chansing PRs. This differs quite a Lot from the Depletion workouts UD style, even if both are generally whole body workouts. Thats what i meant bro :-)
Btw I just completed my First Depletion Session ever...all I can say is fuuuuuuuaaaaaark!! Its a Lot more demanding than I thought man, it was pain! But I totally dig it! Enjoyed the change and anyways, pain is temporary, but pride is forever right?

LOL.. yeh ur rite the depletion is very difficult. i think the more i do it the more i dread it cuz the pain is ingrained into my head now.. if ur running UD2 id be interested to see ur numbers from ur diet. u gonna start a thread?

[< <Samson> >]

Hey damn it. . . You said you felt fine. . . lol


Yeah, I am on day 3 of damn near no carbs. Uggggh. . . . . . I feel like shat. Plus the EC isn't helping.

[Tx89]

I will go thru everything again and figure a setup out 100%, but chances are good UD is gonna be tested ;-) and yeah why not log it, but I warn you...im a lazy ass logger lol

[--->>405<<---]

Hey damn it. . . You said you felt fine. . . lol


Yeah, I am on day 3 of damn near no carbs. Uggggh. . . . . . I feel like shat. Plus the EC isn't helping.

i do feel fine from low carb/no carb diet..

the pain is in the workout.. depletion workout.. NOT DIET AND/OR LOW CARBS

[--->>405<<---]

I will go thru everything again and figure a setup out 100%, but chances are good UD is gonna be tested ;-) and yeah why not log it, but I warn you...im a lazy ass logger lol

LOL.. funny

[< <Samson> >]

the pain is in the workout.. depletion workout.. NOT DIET AND/OR LOW CARBS

That's a part of it. . . . I felt way more solid when I was on a bulk and can pull through way meaner workouts.


It's all good. . . My fat must go.