PWO shake while cutting- with or without dextrose in 2012 ??

**athletic.guy** · 10-16-2012, 08:28 AM

Hi guys,
I know this is a hot topic but need to hear the latest opinions.

I'm currently cutting down my BF from 18% to 12%.

I usually have about 50gm of dextrose and 50gm oats in my PWO shake. I'm really going to try cut down my BF over the next 6 weeks. Should I remove the dextrose or is it still required for the insulin spike after training? Im trying to hold as much muscle as possible during the diet.

Thanks boyz

**Brick** · 10-16-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by athletic.guy

Hi guys,
I know this is a hot topic but need to hear the latest opinions.

I'm currently cutting down my BF from 18% to 12%.

I usually have about 50gm of dextrose and 50gm oats in my PWO shake. I'm really going to try cut down my BF over the next 6 weeks. Should I remove the dextrose or is it still required for the insulin spike after training? Im trying to hold as much muscle as possible during the diet.

Thanks boyz

Ditch the dextrose. At 18% bf you don't need to worry about losing muscle much. Also, that has to be close to half your carb allowance for the day

**Back In Black** · 10-16-2012, 08:41 AM

There's no need, at all, to spike your insulin . The rest of your diet and stats will dictate your success.

**RaginCajun** · 10-16-2012, 08:44 AM

agree with the rest, ditch the dextrose and just have the oats. or up the oats to match your macros from the dextrose

**gbrice75** · 10-16-2012, 08:54 AM

Definitely not required, and I would definitely ditch it during your cut. In fact, I'd never add it regardless of the goal. Purposely eating pure sugar? No thanks.

**athletic.guy** · 10-16-2012, 09:20 AM

Cool, consider the sugar gone. On this diet I'm currently have
1/2 cup of oats in the morning 60gm protein shake
6 egg whites
1/2 cup oats pre workout with 60gm protein shake
1/2 cup oats in my PWO shake with 60 gm protein
Then I have a PWO meal without carbs just steak and broccoli,
200gm smoked salmon with low fat cream cheese and some low fat crackers.
Can of tuna and a casein shake 30g protein.

Current stats are 33yo, 220 lbs 6ft 1".

If I start a test/tren HGH cycle should I continue this diet or add more oats or protein ?

**Brick** · 10-16-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by athletic.guy

Cool, consider the sugar gone. On this diet I'm currently have
1/2 cup of oats in the morning 60gm protein shake
6 egg whites
1/2 cup pre workout with 60gm protein shake
1/2 cup in my PWO shake with 60 gm protein
Then I have a PWO meal without carbs just steak and broccoli,
200gm smoked salmon with low fat cream cheese and some low fat crackers.
Can of tuna and a casein shake 30g protein.

Current stats are 33yo, 220 lbs 6ft 1".

If I start a test/tren HGH cycle should I continue this diet or add more oats or protein ?

No gear at all! You can get to your goal natty. I don't believe in gear for cutting down especially with bf above 10%

**stevelifts** · 10-16-2012, 12:02 PM

I only use dextrose if im using insulin . Otherwise its oats for me.

**gbrice75** · 10-16-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bucka

I don't believe in gear for cutting down especially with bf above 10%

Why not? Just curious. I understand your view with regards to BF already being relatively low, but would like to know your reasoning behind not believing in gear for cutting in general.

**Brick** · 10-16-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Why not? Just curious. I understand your view with regards to BF already being relatively low, but would like to know your reasoning behind not believing in gear for cutting in general.

Well there is a place for it but not for this guy. Tren test HGH cycle? Pretty heavy cycle IMO. And way to heavy for a first timer.

Also, I believe that if you dont have the discipline to cut without gear then you have no right cutting with it! If you have done some cycles, are educated, and have shown you can do things properly and safely then yes gear is great for a cutting cycle.

**MR-FQ320** · 10-16-2012, 04:20 PM

OP your diet needs to be reworked for you to reach your goal, namely by dropping carbs, keep carbs around the workout, maybe at breakfast time. do more cardio also

**austinite** · 10-16-2012, 04:22 PM

When cutting, I avoid dextrose, maltodextrin, fructose or lactose. Just drink your shakes with water.

**fatman225** · 10-16-2012, 07:22 PM

Hell, while cutting I don't even use shakes.

If you must get more protein in, and you still got room for the calories (I believe in calorie counting), then drink which ever tastes better.

**gbrice75** · 10-17-2012, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Bucka

Well there is a place for it but not for this guy. Tren test HGH cycle? Pretty heavy cycle IMO. And way to heavy for a first timer.

Also, I believe that if you dont have the discipline to cut without gear then you have no right cutting with it! If you have done some cycles, are educated, and have shown you can do things properly and safely then yes gear is great for a cutting cycle.

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed with all points above, 100%.