Low GI or Hi GI, Who Cares !?!!

**LiL P** · 11-21-2012, 09:29 AM

No such thing as a "good" or a "bad" Carb

Well since i joined this forums i noticed that people are putting alot on emphasis on whether carbs are Low or Hi GI, I just wanted to post some of the newer studies regarding this topic, I would also like to add the fact that the old studies wer done on starving mice and wer fed carbs only on a empty stomach.

http://www.gifoundation.com/index.ph...&Itemid=100090

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbLWsjqY8so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk5P11vzVbU (please ignore the idiot in the video and concentrate on the NASM video hes showing us)

anyway theres alot of conflicting studies out there but personally i dont believe there is such thing as a "good" or a "bad" carb, even if i am currently only including only Low GI carbs in my diet(my reason for this.. im obese)

Id be interested too see the rest of you guys opinion on this, although i think i already know what its gonna be :P

Btw im not close minded at all and im willing too listen to anyone opinion and appreciate all types of advice

LiL P

**--->>405<<---** · 11-21-2012, 10:20 AM

TBh lil p i have been until recently of the mindset that complex lower gi carbs were superior to more simple higher gi cArbs from the standpoint of fat loss. I am not so sure as of now simply because i have been eating both and am leaner now than ive ever been!

However i will not make a conclusive statement on the subject. IMO the effects of carbs are subjective depending on the individual, obviously, because some of us can eat more and stay leaner while some have to be more "carb conscious".

IMO whenever anyone who is currently carrying excess bodyfat begins a diet/workout program a good rule of thumb is to start out eating only complex lower gi carbs for the simple fact we know without question these are solid from a dietary standpoint. As one progresses i believe it would not be a bad thing, purely from a fat loss standpoint, to experiment and see what one can get away with. This is what ive done. I do believe it would be better from a progress-oriented standpoint to wait until desired bf% is achieved.

Certain diets (carb cycles and glycogen supercompensation) as well as supplement applications (injectable L-carnitine) actually require the ingestion of a certain amount of sugar and/or simple high gi carbs. For difft reasons.

From a long term health standpoint u have a different story altogether. I have actually read literature from a well respected cardiologist that eating a good amount of sugar can increase the risk of heart disease over the long term.

**SEOINAGE** · 11-21-2012, 10:37 AM

There are some diets that utilize higher gi carbs effectively and allow for fat loss. I stopped buying into the whole grains marketing bs a long time ago. I try to avoid wheat cause it bloats my lower gut but that's a did story. What I define as healthy eating is so far off from what others would call it. I will say I have consumed lots of sugar ice cream and some other poor choices and been more soft as opposed to more quality foods and was moe dense. But some foods like sugar adversely effect my thyroid function, and can be attributed to a degree thanks to blood work but that is an individual case only

**LiL P** · 11-21-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

IMO whenever anyone who is currently carrying excess bodyfat begins a diet/workout program a good rule of thumb is to start out eating only complex lower gi carbs for the simple fact we know without question these are solid from a dietary standpoint. As one progresses i believe it would not be a bad thing, purely from a fat loss standpoint, to experiment and see what one can get away with. This is what ive done. I do believe it would be better from a progress-oriented standpoint to wait until desired bf% is achieved.

I agree with this and in fact im currently practicing it im just not @ a low enuf BF% to start experimenting yet

I also just wanted too say that i don't want this thread too act as a means to make new dieters feel better about indulging in Hi GI carbs, In fact that would be the very reason i was considering not even making the thread but i guess its important for us too know we don't need too kill ourselves worrying about diet all the time and just remember Moderation is Key!

**EZ E** · 11-21-2012, 02:02 PM

Saying carbs are good or bad is over simplifying things. There are no good or bad carbs, just mistimed carbs.

**LiL P** · 11-21-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by EZ E

Saying carbs are good or bad is over simplifying things. There are no good or bad carbs, just mistimed carbs.

Elaborate cuz that statement makes no sense too me

**jimmyinkedup** · 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM

We should all care ...for general health purposes. It simply would be foolish and unhealthy to get for example 300g of carb / day all in form of sugar.

**LiL P** · 11-21-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

We should all care ...for general health purposes. It simply would be foolish and unhealthy to get for example 300g of carb / day all in form of sugar.

yup says Moderation is key a few posts above i totally agree

**EZ E** · 11-21-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by LiL P

Elaborate cuz that statement makes no sense too me

It means there is a time where ingesting high GI carbs are more beneficial than low GI carbs (post workout as an example) and a time where low GI carbs are more beneficial (just about every other time).

**LiL P** · 11-21-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by EZ E

It means there is a time where ingesting high GI carbs are more beneficial than low GI carbs (post workout as an example) and a time where low GI carbs are more beneficial (just about every other time).

oh yes got it that time, thnx

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 11-22-2012, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

However i will not make a conclusive statement on the subject. IMO the effects of carbs are subjective depending on the individual, obviously, because some of us can eat more and stay leaner while some have to be more "carb conscious".

Wise words! Quick carbs are bad for me in any quantity (even PWO)... I always bulk cleaner and diet faster with slow carbs... somehow my muscles dont need as much quick carb burst to grow. But I also know people who resort to mostly quick carbs with great degree of success in lean gains and even cuts

**wannabeme** · 11-23-2012, 11:02 AM

Just my 2 cents, the GI is based on having that food AND ONLY THAT FOOD in the stomach. Does not factor in if you have it mixed up in a solution of fats, proteins, insoluble fiber, vitamins, minerals, etc. It's kind of silly to think your body would magically absorb the "fast carbs" out of a mixture of food FIRST. The physics of diffusion do not work that way. Although not exactly correct, I think the "total GI" of a meal is what counts, and is SOME kind of a weighted average of the mixture.

This is not an argument that GI is a useless datum, but, it's just that - one piece of the overall puzzle.