milk protein powder?

[951thompson]

What is everyones view on milk protein? I've read it's one of the best if not the best protein out there for pre and post workout. Thoughts?

[baseline_9]

I'd agree and say its an excellent protein source..... Better that straight whey IMO....

My choice of protein is a blend of milk egg and added whey....

Milk is a basic whey and casein blend.... Ur not going to go wrong with it..... It's going to be superior to pure whey and probably cheaper.....

[jimmyinkedup]

im using a blend of 75% milk protein isolate and 25% whey concentrate...but I really dont think there is a significant difference. I do however like the milk protein taste etc ....

[gbrice75]

I almost always mix my protein powders 50/50 whey/casein. Not sure what the actual percentage is in true milk protein, but I do enjoy the varying absorption rates and always recommend a protein blend vs. straight whey - or anything else.

[baseline_9]

im using a blend of 75% milk protein isolate and 25% whey concentrate...but I really dont think there is a significant difference. I do however like the milk protein taste etc ....

Good point....

I don't want to go off topic here too much but to elaborate on what jimmy says its not really a big deal...

Look at your diet as a whole and then choice of protein powder is irrelevant if macros are hit.....


The thing I'd like people to take away from this thread is that whey isolates and hydrolates or whatever the newest 'fastest' stuff is on the market are completely unnecessary.... Yes they will work but the price mark up is really not worth it....

They are possibly inferior products to a simple concentrate or milk protein or whey/casein blend due to protein synthesis response PWO... Which again isn't a big deal......

I could go on and on and get more and more off topic.... Walking away

[951thompson]

Milk is 80% casein and 20% whey, so the mix of slow and fast abortion make it the bee's knees lol
Here's tip for you all, milk powder cost £1 box (UK) per serving has 20+ grams protein, 0g fat only down side is if your cutting carbs, it has 30g carb. Perfect to use as pre and post workout though.

[951thompson]

Good point....

I don't want to go off topic here too much but to elaborate on what jimmy says its not really a big deal...

Look at your diet as a whole and then choice of protein powder is irrelevant if macros are hit.....

The thing I'd like people to take away from this thread is that whey isolates and hydrolates or whatever the newest 'fastest' stuff is on the market are completely unnecessary.... Yes they will work but the price mark up is really not worth it....

They are possibly inferior products to a simple concentrate or milk protein or whey/casein blend due to protein synthesis response PWO... Which again isn't a big deal......

I could go on and on and get more and more off topic.... Walking away

Concentrate is fast abortion making it ok for post workout, but if you have had a good pre workout, that's not that important. Plus concentrate has poor abortion. The mix of casein and whey in milk, slow and fast absorption make it stand out according to my source of information.

[baseline_9]

Concentrate is fast abortion making it ok for post workout, but if you have had a good pre workout, that's not that important. Plus concentrate has poor abortion. The mix of casein and why in milk, slow and fast absorption make it stand out according to my source of information.

The truth is..... None of this actually matters.... Whatever your using its working.....

My honest advise would be to pick a good quality product from a bulk suppliers (bulkpowders ) but don't get caught up in the whole sales pitch with the top end wheys....

Pre-workout nutrition, post workout nutrition, blah blah blah..... It just comes down to NUTRITION...


Some people don't even need a pre-wo meal to feel great and lots state they they feel 'better' without one.....

[951thompson]

The truth is..... None of this actually matters.... Whatever your using its working.....

My honest advise would be to pick a good quality product from a bulk suppliers (bulkpowders ) but don't get caught up in the whole sales pitch with the top end wheys....

Pre-workout nutrition, post workout nutrition, blah blah blah..... It just comes down to NUTRITION...

Some people don't even need a pre-wo meal to feel great and lots state they they feel 'better' without one.....

The reason I say pre and post workout is, if you are going to use milk powder due to the carbs, it's probably best only to use it around training.

Lyle McDonald endorses Milk powder (Tesco £1 box)

To be honest I don't use protein powders much, I get nearly all of my protein from whole food. On carb up days I use milk powder around training.

[baseline_9]

If your gonna have milk powder why not just have milk?

[baseline_9]

The reason I say pre and post workout is, if you are going to use milk powder due to the carbs, it's probably best only to use it around training.

Lyle McDonald endorses Milk powder (Tesco £1 box)

To be honest I don't use protein powders much, I get nearly all of my protein from whole food. On carb up days I use milk powder around training.

If your gonna have milk powder why not just have milk?

I'm assuming your taking about dried milk here..... Not milk protein powder....

[951thompson]

If your gonna have milk powder why not just have milk?

Because milk is full of fat, skim milk powder has no fat.

[951thompson]

I'm assuming your taking about dried milk here..... Not milk protein powder....

No both, its the same stuff really, made out of the same thing, both came from a cow lol

Can't you tell I've just read the protein book by Lyle McDonald, showing of my knew knowledge hehe

[baseline_9]

Because milk is full of fat, skim milk powder has no fat.

Nor does skim milk......

Milk powder is simple evaporated milk.....

You simply re-hydrate it by adding water

[jimmyinkedup]

Nor does skim milk......

Milk powder is simple evaporated milk.....

You simply re-hydrate it by adding water

you meant dehydrated buddy..not evaporated. Evarorated milk is simply milk that has much of the water removed. Its a liquid. When the next cooking vid buddy?

Also 951 they arent the same (milk powder and milk protein powder). Milk protein isolate has zero carbs and almost zero lactose as well buddy.

[baseline_9]

you meant dehydrated buddy..not evaporated. Evarorated milk has much of the water removed.
Also 951 they arent the same (milk powder and milk protein powder). Milk protein isolate has zero carbs and almost zero lactose as well buddy.

Thx jimmy...

And yeh I was just about to say.... I think your getting this confused Thompson.... I can't explain any better than jimmy... So there is the explanation ^^^

[951thompson]

Nor does skim milk......

Milk powder is simple evaporated milk.....

You simply re-hydrate it by adding water

Skim milk has about 2g fat per 100ml around 3g pro, so to make 20g protein it's quite abit of fat. tho powder milk has 0g fat

[951thompson]

you meant dehydrated buddy..not evaporated. Evarorated milk is simply milk that has much of the water removed. Its a liquid. When the next cooking vid buddy?

Also 951 they arent the same (milk powder and milk protein powder). Milk protein isolate has zero carbs and almost zero lactose as well buddy.

Oh yeah of course your right there is the added carbs, but the protein is the same, with same ratio.

[baseline_9]

Skim milk has about 2g fat per 100ml around 3g pro, so to make 20g protein it's quite abit of fat. tho powder milk has 0g fat

No buddy, your wrong..... A skim milk will tend to have 0.1g of fat per 100ml

[Back In Black]

No buddy, your wrong..... A skim milk will tend to have 0.1g of fat per 100ml

Base is right. I use skim milk exclusively in the home and this is the correct figure.

[951thompson]

No buddy, your wrong..... A skim milk will tend to have 0.1g of fat per 100ml

The skim milk I buy has 1.8g of fat per 100ml maybe different brands varie, not sure. But yeah the protein in skim milk is just as good as in protein powder.

[baseline_9]

The skim milk I buy has 1.8g of fat per 100ml maybe different brands varie, not sure. But yeah the protein in skim milk is just as good as in protein powder.

That's a semi skim milk (green top)

Skim (red top) 0.1%
Semi skim (green top) 1.7%
Whole milk (blue top) 3.4%
Non homonogeised milk - 5.2%


Those figure are off the top of my head.... But I think I'm about right

[951thompson]

Thanks for all of your replies, it's been an interesting discussion.
My main point to this thread is that milk protein is good shit lol so get that cow juice down you folks

[baseline_9]

The skim milk I buy has 1.8g of fat per 100ml maybe different brands varie, not sure. But yeah the protein in skim milk is just as good as in protein powder.

I'll clear this up for the thread....

Milk powder is milk in powder form.... As above, de-hydrated milk... So if you rehydrate it correctly the macros will come out just the same as the milk they used to make it in the processing plant....

Milk protein powder is the proteins from milk without the lactose... The proteins (whey and casein) are 'filtered out' and remain....


So milk powder has carbs.... Just the same as milk....

And milk protein powder doesn't have carbs..... Maybe a small amount or trace dependant on the quality

[951thompson]

That's a semi skim milk (green top)

Skim (red top) 0.1%
Semi skim (green top) 1.7%
Whole milk (blue top) 3.4%
Non homonogeised milk - 5.2%

Those figure are off the top of my head.... But I think I'm about right

I stand corrected , thanks for enlightening me

And thanks for all the advice you have given me in the past

[baseline_9]

Thanks for all of your replies, it's been an interesting discussion.
My main point to this thread is that milk protein is good shit lol so get that cow juice down you folks

Can't argue with that

And if people want to read more simply search for milk protein on bodyrecomposition.com

I have posted a few of lyle's papers in the past on this board with regards to milk for PWO recovery

[951thompson]

I'll clear this up for the thread....

Milk powder is milk in powder form.... As above, de-hydrated milk... So if you rehydrate it correctly the macros will come out just the same as the milk they used to make it in the processing plant....

Milk protein powder is the proteins from milk without the lactose... The proteins (whey and casein) are 'filtered out' and remain....

So milk powder has carbs.... Just the same as milk....

And milk protein powder doesn't have carbs..... Maybe a small amount or trace dependant on the quality

Yep that's the one lol my point with milk powder is that it is a very cheap source of quality protein .

[mockery]

maybe stay on lyles site instead of rehashing everything from there over here and confusing new members. next week are you gonna be quoting Layne Norton dietary papers??

[mockery]

and before you try and argue the point, if you posted this crap on lyles site he would call u an idiot, delete the thread , and if he was on a low carb day maybe ban your account. Lyle is a brilliant guy but dont try and argue with guys on this site that are actually trying to correct you and HELP you, especially when you dont know who they are behind the avi.

food for thought. Please re frame from posting in the diet forum

[951thompson]

maybe stay on lyles site instead of rehashing everything from there over here and confusing new members. next week are you gonna be quoting Layne Norton dietary papers??

Why don't you mind your own business? (troll) for your information I've just read lyles protein book that has explained every last thing one needs to know about protein.
The knowledge from this book makes me informed and able to discuss this topic.

I've noticed all you do is go around criticizing and shooting off at folks on this site, im having an informed debate here, if you have nothing to contribute, well you know what to do.

Cheers

[951thompson]

and before you try and argue the point, if you posted this crap on lyles site he would call u an idiot, delete the thread , and if he was on a low carb day maybe ban your account. Lyle is a brilliant guy but dont try and argue with guys on this site that are actually trying to correct you and HELP you, especially when you dont know who they are behind the avi.

food for thought. Please re frame from posting in the diet forum

Who are you the law around here, I will post where I pls.
Maybe you should have a look in the mirror!

[951thompson]

and before you try and argue the point, if you posted this crap on lyles site he would call u an idiot, delete the thread , and if he was on a low carb day maybe ban your account. Lyle is a brilliant guy but dont try and argue with guys on this site that are actually trying to correct you and HELP you, especially when you dont know who they are behind the avi.

food for thought. Please re frame from posting in the diet forum

And just to point out, no one disagrees with me, it is unanimous, we all agree milk protein is top stuff. So what is your point here? Oh yes I see nothing, just thought you would have a pop, to prop up your low self esteem? (troll)

[kitstreasure]

I didn't read all of this, but fwiw, there was a study done recently on post workout rehydration and milk vs. water. What they found was that those using water had higher throughput, while those using milk had no increase in urine even while increasing their intake. They had four groups (IIRC): one drinking straight water, one drinking an electrolyte drink, a third drinking milk and the fourth drinking milk with added salt. The first two groups found a rise in urine output consistent with the rise in fluid intake, but they didn't find any rise in urine out put with either of the two milk groups. So, as a post-workout drink it could be a very good idea.

[baseline_9]

Mockery

No need to come in here and try and bash the OP..... He has got a few things mixed up but it's all been covered and were all on the same page now.... Your not contributing towards this thread in a positive way at all....

This section is to help people to learn.... Personally I learn bet when I make mistakes so anyone is welcome to ask whatever they like... No matter how simple or stupid it may seem.... No question is a stupid question if you don't know the answer IMO

Thompson

Although mockery isn't helping matters by coming here and having a 'dig' you need to calm down a bit... Part of what he said could be seen as correct... Your learning from the best (lyle) so just keep reading his material..... And if you dont know then just ask... rather than saying something that is wrong and leaves you open for a 'dig'.....


And to both of you... Chill the fuk out... This is the Internet.... It's not real.... Remember

[baseline_9]

I didn't read all of this, but fwiw, there was a study done recently on post workout rehydration and milk vs. water. What they found was that those using water had higher throughput, while those using milk had no increase in urine even while increasing their intake. They had four groups (IIRC): one drinking straight water, one drinking an electrolyte drink, a third drinking milk and the fourth drinking milk with added salt. The first two groups found a rise in urine output consistent with the rise in fluid intake, but they didn't find any rise in urine out put with either of the two milk groups. So, as a post-workout drink it could be a very good idea.

Sourced from lyle McDonald

Milk as an Effective Post-Exercise Rehydration Drink

Title
Shirreffs SM et al. Milk as an effective post-exercise rehydration drink. Br J Nutr (2007): Pg 1-8

Abstract
The effectiveness of low-fat milk, alone and with an additional 20 mmol/l NaCl, at restoring fluid balance after exercise-induced hypohydration was compared to a sports drink and water. After losing 1·8 (SD 0·1) % of their body mass during intermittent exercise in a warm environment, eleven subjects consumed a drink volume equivalent to 150 % of their sweat loss. Urine samples were collected before and for 5 h after exercise to assess fluid balance. Urine excretion over the recovery period did not change during the milk trials whereas there was a marked increase in output between 1 and 2 h after drinking water and the sports drink. Cumulative urine output was less after the milk drinks were consumed (611 (SD 207) and 550 (SD 141) ml for milk and milk with added sodium, respectively, compared to 1184 (SD 321) and 1205 (SD 142) ml for the water and sports drink; P,0·001). Subjects remained in net positive fluid balance or euhydrated throughout the recovery period after drinking the milk drinks but returned to net negative fluid balance 1 h after drinking the other drinks. The results of the present study suggest that milk can be an effective post-exercise rehydration drink and can be considered for use after exercise by everyone except those individuals who have lactose intolerance.
My comments
In addition to glycogen replenishment and the promotion of recovery and adaptation to training, the issue of re-hydration after exercise (endurance training more so than resistance training) is also of importance and finding ways to optimally rehydrate the body following dehydration is a critical aspect of sports nutrition.
During endurance exercise, fluid loss usually exceeds fluid intake and athletes end up slightly dehydrated at the end of the bout and even small amounts of dehydration can negatively impact on exercise performance (i.e. at the next training session). While re-hydration when training once per day usually isn’t too big of an issue, many athletes train more frequently than this and finding ways to optimally rehydrate (again, in addition to issues of recovery, etc.) is important.
Previous work had found that the addition of both sodium and potassium to fluids was a key in re-hydration, thus the popularity of drinks such as Gatorade and Powerade both of which also provide carbohydrate for glycogen replenishment.
With the exception of one study which examined the role of a whole food meal on re-hydration, most studies have used various experimental solutions, so this week’s study set out to examine a more commonly found beverage (low fat milk) in terms of its effects on rehydration following exercise.
The study recruited eleven healthy male volunteers who were physically active but described as not being accustomed to exercise in a warm environment.
Following a familiarization trial, subjects performed an exercise trial in a warm/humid room consisting of 10 minute bouts at 2 w/kg workload. Body weight was measured in-between bouts with the exercise stopped when the subjects had lost 1.7% of their starting body weight.
One of four drinks was provided starting at 20 minutes after exercise. The drinks were 2% milk, 2% milk with added sodium, water, or Powerade. The total drink volume given was equal to 150% of the total weight lost in four equal amounts (every 15 minutes for an hour); subjects were monitored for an additional 4 hours. No food or drink was allowed and urine production was measured every hour by having the subjects pee. Subjective measurements of hunger and thirst were made every hour as well (in addition to before and immediately after the exercise bout).
All subjects lost roughly 1.8 kg of weight during the exercise bout and the total amount of fluid given over the hour of recovery drinking was 1.8 l (slightly under half a gallon).
In terms of urine production (a measurement of the amount of ingested fluid retained by the both), both milk trials showed significantly less urine output compared to either water or Powerade with no real difference between the milk and milk plus sodium drinks.
Similar results were seen looking at net fluid balance, due to decreased urine output, the milk groups reattained fluid balance after 4 hours while the water/Powerade groups were still slightly dehydrated.
Finally, subjective rating of thirst went up after the exercise bout but decreased with re-hydration, with no difference between drinks. Feelings of hunger also increased throughout recovery although both milk groups and the Powerade reduced hunger more than water. Subjects also reported that the Powerade was sweeter and slightly more palatable compared to the milk drinks which were reported as being saltier and more bitter. No other differences were seen.
The researchers concluded that milk (with or without extra sodium) was superior to either water or Powerade at rehydration although the slight differences seen at the end of the study are unlikely to significantly impact on exercise performance in temperate climates.
They suggest that at least part of this is due to the quantities of both sodium and potassium in milk; as mentioned both electrolytes are important in helping the body retain the fluid consumed following exercise. They also note that the digestion rate of milk is going to be slower than either water or Powerade due to the presence of protein and fat in addition to the carbohydrate; this might have affected the body’s utilization of the milk for re-hydration compared to the other drinks. In keeping with this, subjects in the milk group reported greater fullness, probably due to the length of time it took for the milk to be fully absorbed.
So this study adds to previous data showing that milk can be useful for recovery (in terms of protein synthesis) following either resistance training or endurance training, as I’ve discussed in previous newsletters.
At the same time, the amount of fluid consumed (nearly a half gallon of milk) is significant and some people might not find milk terribly appealing following an exhaustive exercise bout. It would be interesting to see if a protein/carbohydrate drink containing either dextrose/maltodextrin and whey or milk protein isolate (with similar amounts of electrolytes to what is found in milk) promoted the same level of re-hydration following exercise. I suspect that it would and this might provide an easier way to promote both training adaptations and re-hydration following exercise. This would probably be easier than trying to drink 16-32 oz of milk following exercise.
An additional issue, of course, is that of lactose intolerance but the availability of lactose reduced or removed milk (cf. Lactaid/DairyEase) should make this less of an issue.

[951thompson]

Mockery

No need to come in here and try and bash the OP..... He has got a few things mixed up but it's all been covered and were all on the same page now.... Your not contributing towards this thread in a positive way at all....

This section is to help people to learn.... Personally I learn bet when I make mistakes so anyone is welcome to ask whatever they like... No matter how simple or stupid it may seem.... No question is a stupid question if you don't know the answer IMO

Thompson

Although mockery isn't helping matters by coming here and having a 'dig' you need to calm down a bit... Part of what he said could be seen as correct... Your learning from the best (lyle) so just keep reading his material..... And if you dont know then just ask... rather than saying something that is wrong and leaves you open for a 'dig'.....

And to both of you... Chill the fuk out... This is the Internet.... It's not real.... Remember

Thats fair enough, I made a mistake, but you guys corrected me in a respectful way. I don't need some jack ass (who does'nt even probably understand what we are talking about anyway) kicking off at me because he has some issues. No need for it. I see him do this in loads of other people's threads also, no need!

And thanks, I've got everyone of lyles books, haven't read them all yet,I've read the protein book, and also the ultimate diet 2.0 which I am currently following (its going well) gonna read his stuborn fat solution next. Thanks for putting me on to him

[951thompson]

I didn't read all of this, but fwiw, there was a study done recently on post workout rehydration and milk vs. water. What they found was that those using water had higher throughput, while those using milk had no increase in urine even while increasing their intake. They had four groups (IIRC): one drinking straight water, one drinking an electrolyte drink, a third drinking milk and the fourth drinking milk with added salt. The first two groups found a rise in urine output consistent with the rise in fluid intake, but they didn't find any rise in urine out put with either of the two milk groups. So, as a post-workout drink it could be a very good idea.

I've also read this study in Lyles protein book, thanks for sharing

[oatmeal69]

I use fat-free cottage cheese, and egg-white product along with my protein powder. I figure I get a great balance of "fast" and "slow" proteins in there. The cottage cheese is almost pure casein, no fat, much lower sugar than even skim, and it's pretty cheap too.

[951thompson]

I use fat-free cottage cheese, and egg-white product along with my protein powder. I figure I get a great balance of "fast" and "slow" proteins in there. The cottage cheese is almost pure casein, no fat, much lower sugar than even skim, and it's pretty cheap too.

Im a big fan of cottage cheese too, I like to use it as a pre workout for its anti cattobolic effect, I also eat cottage cheese for my last meal before bed for its slow absorption quality, so I get a steady feed of aminos all though the fasted hours of sleep.

[jimmyinkedup]

maybe stay on lyles site instead of rehashing everything from there over here and confusing new members. next week are you gonna be quoting Layne Norton dietary papers??

Threads like this are how people learn bro.
Back Off with the personal insults and attacks please.
Maybe Ill start combing your post history..see what gems i can come up with to publicly rip you apart....
Naa Im better than that ..... plus im humble enough to know i can and do learn from anyone.