Seriously? No milk before bed???

[yeahbuddy289]

I was reading a thread here the other day and it seems like the general consensus here is that milk/ dairy before bed is a no-no because it can prevent gh production during sleep. Is this correct? My last "meal" of the day is 2 scoops of muscle pharm combat powder (which is a protein blend) and about 4-6oz of milk mixed with it. So if dairy before bed is no good how long should my last meal containing dairy be from the time I fall asleep?

[austinite]

For me dairy anytime is a no no. Might as well have a couple of sugar cubes. Try almond milk or egg whites with your shake.

[MuscleInk]

For me dairy anytime is a no no. Might as well have a couple of sugar cubes. Try almond milk or egg whites with your shake.

Ditto. I don't touch dairy products - and my trainer would stomp my nuts if I did. My wife and I bathe in milk once in a while. That's the only purpose for milk in our house.

Almond milk and egg whites are plentiful in my fridge.

MuscleInk

[Papa Smurf]

12 grams sugar per cup.............have a twinkie instead.........better for ya!

Over the age of 13 Egg Whites replace Milk

[MickeyKnox]

Cottage cheese (drain that disgusting juice out first) mixed with a teaspoon of sugar free jams.

[MuscleInk]

Cottage cheese (drain that disgusting juice out first) mixed with a teaspoon of sugar free jams.

No dairy at all for MI. Trainer's orders. MI NOT HAPPY!!!!!

MuscleInk

[Lunk1]

Cottage cheese (drain that disgusting juice out first) mixed with a teaspoon of sugar free jams.

Miox in sliced almonds and cranberries...very tasty (lovely

[RoadToHuge]

I get so bloated on dairy. But for me its like:


Me: I hate you icecream. I hate you so bad.....



Icecream: .. 2:30 am again?



Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MickeyKnox]

Miox in sliced almonds and cranberries...very tasty (lovely

I told MI about that. You'll be delt with swiftly, mister.

[auswest]

Layne norton has convinced me otherwise, the carbs are apparently one of the slowest digesting and is mainly made up of casein proteins. As long as you're are not lactose intolerant I see low fat milk as a great addition to anyone's diet. I have added milk to my diet and I will see how I go with it, currently having 500ml a day.

[MickeyKnox]

Layne norton has convinced me otherwise, the carbs are apparently one of the slowest digesting and is mainly made up of casein proteins. As long as you're are not lactose intolerant I see low fat milk as a great addition to anyone's diet. I have added milk to my diet and I will see how I go with it, currently having 500ml a day.

Low fat milk still has 12-13 g of sugars.

[auswest]

Low fat milk still has 12-13 g of sugars.

Do some research on those sugars and get back to me

[auswest]

Milk's low GI (20-34 for various skim to regular fat cow milks) is a combination of its naturally low GI sugar (lactose) plus milk protein, which forms a soft curd in the stomach and slows down the rate of stomach emptying. The unique mix of amino acids in cow milk protein are also thought to stimulate insulin secretion, further lowering the GI. Low fat flavoured milks also have a low GI (26-42). Yes, they have added sugar, but it's in relatively modest amounts (about 4%)

[MickeyKnox]

Do some research on those sugars and get back to me

Milk's low GI (20-34 for various skim to regular fat cow milks) is a combination of its naturally low GI sugar (lactose) plus milk protein, which forms a soft curd in the stomach and slows down the rate of stomach emptying. The unique mix of amino acids in cow milk protein are also thought to stimulate insulin secretion, further lowering the GI. Low fat flavoured milks also have a low GI (26-42). Yes, they have added sugar, but it's in relatively modest amounts (about 4%)

To be honest, i've never really dug my heels in when it came to investigating the sugars in milk. All i knew is that were loaded with sugar and that never sat well with me. But i will now, and i WILL get back to you..lol

[MickeyKnox]

Actually, if anyone else has solid knowledge on this subject and can contribute accurate information on milk sugars, please feel free so that we may learn together.

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Milk's low GI (20-34 for various skim to regular fat cow milks) is a combination of its naturally low GI sugar (lactose) plus milk protein, which forms a soft curd in the stomach and slows down the rate of stomach emptying. The unique mix of amino acids in cow milk protein are also thought to stimulate insulin secretion, further lowering the GI. Low fat flavoured milks also have a low GI (26-42). Yes, they have added sugar, but it's in relatively modest amounts (about 4%)

may i know how does increased insulin help with GI? or how is increased insulin a good thing when it comes to dieting?

[FONZY007]

Actually, if anyone else has solid knowledge on this subject and can contribute accurate information on milk sugars, please feel free so that we may learn together.

I just looked at my 2% which has 13g of sugar

[auswest]

may i know how does increased insulin help with GI? or how is increased insulin a good thing when it comes to dieting?

Couldn't tell you mate, I'm deffernatly no expert on nutritional science nor do I claim to be and I don't have the metal capacity to be either,

however everything I have read, which still is not alot has told me that milk carbs have a gi of around 30 which is very low, lower than oats even, so how can that be a bad thing? Personally I see no reason unless you are lactose intolerant to skip out on cows milk in your diet.

[auswest]

I just looked at my 2% which has 13g of sugar

The sugar is lactose. That 13 grams of sugar has a GI of roughly 30...

[AD]

Couldn't tell you mate, I'm deffernatly no expert on nutritional science nor do I claim to be and I don't have the metal capacity to be either,

however everything I have read, which still is not alot has told me that milk carbs have a gi of around 30 which is very low, lower than oats even, so how can that be a bad thing? Personally I see no reason unless you are lactose intolerant to skip out on cows milk in your diet.

i think you're probably right about lactose being a better option than glucose, provided you're not lactose-intolerant. i just got a bit confused when you used insulin in your explanation. thanks for your reply

[auswest]

Just to throw another spanner into the works most fruits have a lower GI than brown rice..

The glycemic index, or glycaemic index, (GI) provides a measure of how quickly blood sugar levels (i.e. levels of glucose in the blood) rise after eating a particular type of food. The effects that different foods have on blood sugar levels vary considerably. The glycemic index estimates how much each gram of available carbohydrate (total carbohydrate minus fiber) in a food raises a person's blood glucose level following consumption of the food, relative to consumption of pure glucose.[1] Glucose has a glycemic index of 100.

[MickeyKnox]

The sugar is lactose. That 13 grams of sugar has a GI of roughly 30...

I think the issue with milk is more than than just the sugars. For me that's all it was, but the more i look into it, the more i see it being a cause for other complications.

Check out this video and tell what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKLfOExBKE

[MickeyKnox]

And then look at Jane Plant;

"Jane Plant, one of the world's leading geochemists had recurring breast cancer. After discontinuing dairy products, she finally recovered. She decided to try this after realizing that the lowest rates of breast cancer are in China and the women there never consume dairy."

Im not trying to all of a sudden put a scare into folks that choose to drink milk, but you have to admit, this is interesting.

[MickeyKnox]

Just to throw another spanner into the works most fruits have a lower GI than brown rice..

The glycemic index, or glycaemic index, (GI) provides a measure of how quickly blood sugar levels (i.e. levels of glucose in the blood) rise after eating a particular type of food. The effects that different foods have on blood sugar levels vary considerably. The glycemic index estimates how much each gram of available carbohydrate (total carbohydrate minus fiber) in a food raises a person's blood glucose level following consumption of the food, relative to consumption of pure glucose.[1] Glucose has a glycemic index of 100.

You seem to be focusing on the GI. What about other lactose issues? Hormones?

[auswest]

Ill check it out when I'm home tomorow, 27 min video.
There are deffernatly other concerns of drinking another animals milk that was not created for us.

But I only posted to clear up the topic of the so called bad sugars in milk.
If this is ones only reason to skip out on milk then There is no reason to do so. Most responses were going down the road that milk is bad because of the sugar.

[Tron3219]

And then look at Jane Plant;

"Jane Plant, one of the world's leading geochemists had recurring breast cancer. After discontinuing dairy products, she finally recovered. She decided to try this after realizing that the lowest rates of breast cancer are in China and the women there never consume dairy."

Im not trying to all of a sudden put a scare into folks that choose to drink milk, but you have to admit, this is interesting.

Silk almond milk created that conspiracy, they're in her pocket...no not really...but that is fairly interesting. I used to LOVE milk, I'd drink a gallon a day, switched to almond milk. Grown quite fond of it. Despite all the debate on milk, which from what it seems is inconclusive, I'll stick with almond milk. 2g carbs, one of which is dietary fiber and zero sugar. Hard to debate that as opposed to cows milk.

-TroN-

[auswest]

For me dairy anytime is a no no. Might as well have a couple of sugar cubes. Try almond milk or egg whites with your shake.

12 grams sugar per cup.............have a twinkie instead.........better for ya!

Over the age of 13 Egg Whites replace Milk

Low fat milk still has 12-13 g of sugars.

Actually, if anyone else has solid knowledge on this subject and can contribute accurate information on milk sugars, please feel free so that we may learn together.

Above

[auswest]

Silk almond milk created that conspiracy, they're in her pocket...no not really...but that is fairly interesting. I used to LOVE milk, I'd drink a gallon a day, switched to almond milk. Grown quite fond of it. Despite all the debate on milk, which from what it seems is inconclusive, I'll stick with almond milk. 2g carbs, one of which is dietary fiber and zero sugar. Hard to debate that as opposed to cows milk.

-TroN-

I'm a big fan of almond milk myself, I have added cow milk to my diet mainly due to convenience, I work away and food choices are slim, but we have an abundance of milk which I haven't touched previously, it is now worked into my new diet while away at work and I'm interested to see how I go, which will be interesting because I have my Maintence calories dialed right in, so any change can be monitored very closely.

[Tron3219]

I'm a big fan of almond milk myself, I have added cow milk to my diet mainly due to convenience, I work away and food choices are slim, but we have an abundance of milk which I haven't touched previously, it is now worked into my new diet while away at work and I'm interested to see how I go, which will be interesting because I have my Maintence calories dialed right in, so any change can be monitored.

I seriously doubt it will create an issue, especially if its worked into ur macro plan. Some people experience bloat, some do not. I hadn't ever even looked at the GI of milk. But I'll trust that what u say is correct. If it is that low, then I think it would b fine in MODERATION. I personally use milk, almond or cow, for my shakes these days, and actually prefer almond milk because it doesn't make my shake as thick. But either way, I only use 4oz in each shake. I've switched from 12oz "milk" to 8oz egg whites, 4 oz milk

-TroN-

[MickeyKnox]

Ill check it out when I'm home tomorow, 27 min video.
There are deffernatly other concerns of drinking another animals milk that was not created for us.

But I only posted to clear up the topic of the so called bad sugars in milk.
If this is ones only reason to skip out on milk then There is no reason to do so. Most responses were going down the road that milk is bad because of the sugar.

That only part 1 - there are 6 parts.

Dont get me wrong bro, i think this is a very interesting topic and we should collectively pool our resources and ideas together and see what we can come up with. Let's trim the fat and get to the real meat of the issue of whether milk should be part of our diet. We'll hammer out the sugar debate and then delve into the cancer causing issues and hormones concerns that seem to be propagated every time the milk question pops up. And we'll find out what part of milk is good for you and what part is not.

This will enable others to make an informed decision on whether or not milk should be included into their diet.

Im off to bed but will return here tomorrow.

Cheers.

[MickeyKnox]

Silk almond milk created that conspiracy, they're in her pocket...no not really...but that is fairly interesting. I used to LOVE milk, I'd drink a gallon a day, switched to almond milk. Grown quite fond of it. Despite all the debate on milk, which from what it seems is inconclusive, I'll stick with almond milk. 2g carbs, one of which is dietary fiber and zero sugar. Hard to debate that as opposed to cows milk.

-TroN-

lol

Me too i used to drink a ton of it - not anymore.

I seriously doubt it will create an issue, especially if its worked into ur macro plan. Some people experience bloat, some do not. I hadn't ever even looked at the GI of milk. But I'll trust that what u say is correct. If it is that low, then I think it would b fine in MODERATION. I personally use milk, almond or cow, for my shakes these days, and actually prefer almond milk because it doesn't make my shake as thick. But either way, I only use 4oz in each shake. I've switched from 12oz "milk" to 8oz egg whites, 4 oz milk

-TroN-

I like that idea too.

[auswest]

That only part 1 - there are 6 parts.

Dont get me wrong bro, i think this is a very interesting topic and we should collectively pool our resources and ideas together and see what we can come up with. Let's trim the fat and get to the real meat of the issue of whether milk should be part of our diet. We'll hammer out the sugar debate and then delve into the cancer causing issues and hormones concerns that seem to be propagated every time the milk question pops up. And we'll find out what part of milk is good for you and what part is not.

This will enable others to make an informed decision on whether or not milk should be included into their diet.

Im off to bed but will return here tomorrow.

Cheers.

Bed..yes u read my mind I'm on nightshift and it is currently 12:45 in the arvo. I get up at 2:30 to go to gym then get ready for a 12 hour night shift. Thank god it's my last night and I fly home in the morning, zzzz.....

[Tron3219]

Bed..yes u read my mind I'm on nightshift and it is currently 12:45 in the arvo. I get up at 2:30 to go to gym then get ready for a 12 hour night shift. Thank god it's my last night and I fly home in the morning, zzzz.....

Wtf is arvo?!

-TroN-

[auswest]

Wtf is arvo?!

-TroN-

Lol! Must be an Aussie thing..slang for afternoon.
An hour and a half before I have to get up, may aswell not even bother sleeping.. Gonna be a looong night

[Tron3219]

Lol! Must be an Aussie thing..slang for afternoon.
An hour and a half before I have to get up, may aswell not even bother sleeping.. Gonna be a looong night

Oh haha yeah, id just stay up to. If it makes u feel any better it's midnight here and I have to work another 8 hours lol

-TroN-

[auswest]

That only part 1 - there are 6 parts.

Dont get me wrong bro, i think this is a very interesting topic and we should collectively pool our resources and ideas together and see what we can come up with. Let's trim the fat and get to the real meat of the issue of whether milk should be part of our diet. We'll hammer out the sugar debate and then delve into the cancer causing issues and hormones concerns that seem to be propagated every time the milk question pops up. And we'll find out what part of milk is good for you and what part is not.

This will enable others to make an informed decision on whether or not milk should be included into their diet.

Im off to bed but will return here tomorrow.

Cheers.

In all honesty,
I think debating the possible cancer causing and hormonal issues cow milk may be capable of could be some what pointless.
It appears to be a very controversial issue.
For every cancer causing study there is a link to cancer prevention.
Milk has many many benefits, I am not going to clutter this thread up any more with copy/paste info relating to these as they are easily found with a quick google search

Everyday there is a study released that "insert food here" stating that it may cause cancer.
And for everyone of them there is an opposite study showing how it may help prevent cancer.

You can find this with most foods we put into our body, we advocate eating meat. Ill find you plenty of study's also by leading professionals in their field telling you that meat has all kinds of cancer and hormonal causing issues. How many here are vegetarians or vegans?

We all have a choice about what we eat, you can find pros and cons to everything.

My main point of posting in this thread was how it quickly turned into Milk is bad, it's Full of sugar.
While this may be true, there are many types of sugar.
if you're choosing not to drink milk because of the sugar you have been misinformed, as already stated the carbs "sugar" found in milk have a lower gi than the foods u get told to eat, for example brown rice and oats, because they are "complex" carbs right?
Now looking at milk from a purely macronutrient perspective it is a great bodybuilders food choice and with the slow digesting protein and carbs makes it a great bedtime drink

Sugar is not just sugar there are many types of sugar, fruit is full of sugar too, but go check out the GI of a plum or an orange.
I have made many diet changes since being aware of this.

As far as the op's original question which has been slightly derailed. I am unaware of milk effect on gh when sleeping, and would expect it to be minimal if any, would be interesting to know, as I have never heard this, and to be honest it would not be a deal breaker for me not to consume milk before bed if this was the case.

I lied one quick copy/paste in reference to the glycemic index as I believe it is relevant when making food choices based on carbohydrates.

What does GI mean?

The glycaemic index (GI) is a ranking given to food to describe how quickly the carbohydrate in the food is broken down and absorbed into the bloodstream.

The GI scale ranges from 0 to 100.

Lower numbers represent a low GI food
Higher numbers represent a high GI food
Foods with a high GI are quickly broken down and absorbed by the body and result in a rapid rise in blood sugar levels.

Low GI foods are broken down and absorbed more slowly into the blood stream. They result in a steady rise in blood sugar and insulin levels.

Eating low GI foods may:

help to keep hunger at bay for longer after eating
provide a gradual, continuous supply of energy from one meal to the next
help to keep blood sugar levels stable in those with diabetes, by providing a slower, more sustained release of sugar into the bloodstream

[thisAngelBites]

I know this is morphing into a discussion about whether dairy is a good idea at all, but I just wanted to go back to the relation to GH release for a sec.

All the scientific stuff I've read says that it's the state of fasting/very low blood sugar is one of the things that causes GH release. Blood sugar is usually lowest 10-12 hours after eating, so eating anything that raises blood sugar at all is going to inhibit that early morning natural GH release. This might be less of an issue if you control your blood glucose with insulin , but normally if you want to maximise natural GH release, no carbs before bed. Of course if you are over 40, you're probably secreting only a tiny amount of GH hormone anyway, so it may be less of an issue.

[ppwc1985]

I love milk so can't give it up, IMO if your not a competing bodybuilder in your precontest cutting phase go ahead just don't overdo it.

[Back In Black]

OP the info given in the previous thread you refer to was correct. You need to avoid the release of insulin within a couple if hours of sleep if you want GH release to be at its best. As stated in that thread straight casein doesn't spike insulin and is perfect. Cottage cheese is a mix of casein and whey. Whey will spike insulin but that will be slowed/blunted because of the casein content. As stated above if you drain the liquid from your cottage cheese you will get far less whey.

Auswest you are correct re:low GI but the lactose will still trigger the body to release insulin. As will whey. Lactose is still a fairly simple sugar, a disaccharide, and you can't really take any notice of the GI figure unless you are consuming that particular item on its own. So, lactose has a GI of 46(ish) whereas skim milk, with the inclusion if whey and casein, has a GI if 38(ish). Don't quite me in these figs they are from memory. Glycemic Load is a much better tool for determining rates of absorption.

I'm not really sure what a new thread was started for this though:/

[Back In Black]

And yes, fructose is also low GI but fruits are a mix of fructose and glucose in very differing ratios. That could be a whole other thread as to how your body processes those sugars.