How important are macro's?

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 06:29 AM

How important are macros? Do we really need to count them? Or is it ok as long as your eating clean? I can put on mass by eating more brown rice and wheat bread then when I would like to cut up I Would only eat my carbs in the morning and post workout. Never got my bf down to 8% best would be around 10%. And when I Would bulk i'll be around 15-16%

Little background

Iv been lifting for 6 yrs 3yrs consistently, and never really counted macros in my diet, A little background on me im 25 and used to be an amatuer basketball player here in Philippines.

Stats:
25 yrs old
6'4"
200lbs
12-14% bf

I want to get big with around 220lbs and be like around 10-12% bf.

Any advise on nutrition would be open.

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 06:34 AM

And oh I drink a lot of milk.

**RaginCajun** · 04-02-2013, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

How important are macros? Do we really need to count them? Or is it ok as long as your eating clean? I can put on mass by eating more brown rice and wheat bread then when I would like to cut up I Would only eat my carbs in the morning and post workout. Never got my bf down to 8% best would be around 10%. And when I Would bulk i'll be around 15-16%

Little background

Iv been lifting for 6 yrs 3yrs consistently, and never really counted macros in my diet, A little background on me im 25 and used to be an amatuer basketball player here in Philippines.

Stats:
25 yrs old
6'4"
200lbs
12-14% bf

I want to get big with around 220lbs and be like around 10-12% bf.

Any advise on nutrition would be open.

If you want to get down to 10% or lower, you have to count everything!

Macros are the most important aspect to eating in my opinion.

Read thru some of the threads around here and you will see.

Welcome aboard!

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 06:46 AM

Thanks for the quick reply what macroa would you suggest for someone like me?

Activities : 4x gym a week, cardio 2x hiit, and probably around 3-4 bball games a week.

**gbrice75** · 04-02-2013, 06:58 AM

Macros are... everything. I'd pay attention to macros more than anything else... if you just ate clean, regardless of how much, you could still get fat if you overate, or conversely eat too little. A well balanced macro profile = a well balanced diet.

**franny2** · 04-02-2013, 07:25 AM

Wat the hell is eating clean? Do u wash the food with detergent? There is no clean or dirty foods. A cal is a cal. My mate got down to 6% esting maccas everyday as long as it fits ur cals and macros

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by franny2

Wat the hell is eating clean? Do u wash the food with detergent? There is no clean or dirty foods. A cal is a cal. My mate got down to 6% esting maccas everyday as long as it fits ur cals and macros

If you have nothing good to say zip it, your mate has incredible genes for him to be able to do that, why dont you go ahead and do it? Eat fried chikens, pizzas, fries and drink beer im sure youl be in the best shape of your life.

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Macros are... everything. I'd pay attention to macros more than anything else... if you just ate clean, regardless of how much, you could still get fat if you overate, or conversely eat too little. A well balanced macro profile = a well balanced diet.

Agree. Macros can make or break your goals.

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Macros are... everything. I'd pay attention to macros more than anything else... if you just ate clean, regardless of how much, you could still get fat if you overate, or conversely eat too little. A well balanced macro profile = a well balanced diet.

How do you suggest I would compute my macros? And what would be best? 60/20/20? 50/30/20? I really have no idea I'm very sorry

Thanks.

**franny2** · 04-02-2013, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

If you have nothing good to say zip it, your mate has incredible genes for him to be able to do that, why dont you go ahead and do it? Eat fried chikens, pizzas, fries and drink beer im sure youl be in the best shape of your life.

Show me scientific proof where it states a calorie isnt a calori

Pls look up IIFYM

Actually nope his genes are horrendous tbh

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by franny2

Show me scientific proof where it states a calorie isnt a calori

Pls look up IIFYM

Actually nope his genes are horrendous tbh

What are you going on about pal? You're telling me I can get all my carbs from milk and I'd be ok? Let's not be silly here... We get that a calorie is a calorie, we're talking about the source of your macros. Not all macronutrients are made equal.

**franny2** · 04-02-2013, 07:41 AM

Also sir. Pls explain to me what eating clean is. And tell me the difference in cals/macros of a meal from maccas vs chicken breast and potato

Thank you and please link evidence to back your claims up. Cheers

**franny2** · 04-02-2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

What are you going on about pal? You're telling me I can get all my carbs from milk and I'd be ok? Let's not be silly here... We get that a calorie is a calorie, we're talking about the source of your macros. Not all macronutrients are made equal.

Yep. At the end the of the day weather its milk or donuts its the same thing

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by franny2

Also sir. Pls explain to me what eating clean is. And tell me the difference in cals/macros of a meal from maccas vs chicken breast and potato

Thank you and please link evidence to back your claims up. Cheers

Eatin clean is minding your sources. Eating complex carbs that are not derived from fructose, lactose and dextrose. "Good" fats if you will. Do you know what a complete protein is?

According to you, I can go on a McDonalds diet today.

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by franny2

Yep. At the end the of the day weather its milk or donuts its the same thing

ugh. You're a troll, thanks for wasting my time. Have fun eating donuts.

**gbrice75** · 04-02-2013, 07:47 AM

Franny - I'm going to use this thread to give you a fair warning (sorry OP, but it's necessary) - I can promise you that if you come here with 'guns blazing' the way you are now, your stay here will be short. We're well aware of IIFYM and the like, and don't need parrots like you (let's be honest) coming over here pushing your agenda. To be honest, I'm bored to death with the topic and am not going to get into it. I'm also not going to dignify your ridiculous comments (milk and donuts) with a scientific response. IIFYM as it was intended is a sound dieting philosophy. It's guys like you who give it a bad name.

You've been warned. Keep up the trolling and you'll be gone fast, I promise.

**Tron3219** · 04-02-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

ugh. You're a troll, thanks for wasting my time. Have fun eating donuts.

He thinks insulin is bro science....I guess my diabetic mother really isn't diabetic!

-TroN-

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

He thinks insulin is bro science....I guess my diabetic mother really isn't diabetic!

-TroN-

LOL!!

Yeah iI read that on the other thread he alsi said a calorie deficit is a calorie deficit. Hahahah Go ahead eat you donuts and pizza's I'll be eating my clean foods(which are washed with detergent in a washing machine)

**gbrice75** · 04-02-2013, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

LOL!!

Yeah iI read that on the other thread he alsi said a calorie deficit is a calorie deficit. Hahahah Go ahead eat you donuts and pizza's I'll be eating my clean foods(which are washed with detergent in a washing machine)

Thing is, most people cutting aren't going to have room for donuts and pizza and shit like that once they've hit their macros, making the entire 'pop tarts and ice cream' mantra a moot point. Sure, if you've hit your macros and wind up with 50g carbs and some fat to spare, enjoy yourself. Have that donut or whatever. THAT'S what IIFYM is about - fulfilling your macros with healthy foods, hitting micronutrient and fiber goals (which is impossible to do with donuts, pop tarts, and ice cream), and then enjoying any surplus.

Conversely, one could fulfill their protein requirement with shakes and then hit their fat/carb macros with junk food. Do you REALLY think they'll wind up with the same body composition (all else being equal) as the person eating a relatively healthy diet w/ some junk thrown in here and there? Gimme a break!!

**Tron3219** · 04-02-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Thing is, most people cutting aren't going to have room for donuts and pizza and shit like that once they've hit their macros, making the entire 'pop tarts and ice cream' mantra a moot point. Sure, if you've hit your macros and wind up with 50g carbs and some fat to spare, enjoy yourself. Have that donut or whatever. THAT'S what IIFYM is about - fulfilling your macros with healthy foods, hitting micronutrient and fiber goals (which is impossible to do with donuts, pop tarts, and ice cream), and then enjoying any surplus.

Conversely, one could fulfill their protein requirement with shakes and then hit their fat/carb macros with junk food. Do you REALLY think they'll wind up with the same body composition (all else being equal) as the person eating a relatively healthy diet w/ some junk thrown in here and there? Gimme a break!!

But...but...gbrice...a deficit is a deficit...

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**Tron3219** · 04-02-2013, 09:33 AM

U can ride a bike by sitting on the seat backwards....but does that mak it the most efficient?

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**Back In Black** · 04-02-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

But...but...gbrice...a deficit is a deficit...

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You're damned right it is, hit your macro's with

50% Ice cream
30% pizza
20% burgers

That's a winning split if ever I saw one

**Tron3219** · 04-02-2013, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

You're damned right it is, hit your macro's with

50% Ice cream
30% pizza
20% burgers

That's a winning split if ever I saw one

Sounds like a bad break up! Haha

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**cj111** · 04-02-2013, 09:41 AM

Yep. At the end the of the day weather its milk or donuts its the same thing

You sir, are an idiot.

**gbrice75** · 04-02-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

But...but...gbrice...a deficit is a deficit...

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Originally Posted by Tron3219

U can ride a bike by sitting on the seat backwards....but does that mak it the most efficient?

chomp chomp chomp clink clink clink

^^ this!

Originally Posted by Back In Black

You're damned right it is, hit your macro's with

50% Ice cream
30% pizza
20% burgers

That's a winning split if ever I saw one

Originally Posted by cj111

You sir, are an idiot.

Honestly... he could have at least compared a protein to a protein or a carb to a carb. This coming from the same guy who posted asking about a macro split, lmao.

**Times Roman** · 04-02-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by franny2

Show me scientific proof where it states a calorie isnt a calori

Pls look up IIFYM

Actually nope his genes are horrendous tbh

Mate

Sometimes, when attempting to join a community that has been together, and you are the new guy, sometimes it's better to sit back and assess the lay of the land, than it is to try and shove your weight around, and making statements that show us how little you know.

Sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth closed and keep us guessing at what you know...

....than it is to open one's mouth so that we know how little you do know!

We are all here to learn. But if you keep talking, you are not doing any listening.

**jaswave125** · 04-02-2013, 08:56 PM

Ok guys so now I know that macros are important. Im currently in india and diet has been a mess im going back to Philippines in 20 days so I taking this time to learn.

My question is what macro split would you guys recommend?

Protein/carbs/fat=
40/40/20?
50/30/20?
60/20/20?

I would like to bulk and minimize fat gain as much as possible. Any other suggestions are welcome

Thanks!

**jaswave125** · 04-03-2013, 07:35 PM

Any tips on how to split my macros? Most I'v seen is 40/40/20 split isn't this to much carbs?

**Tron3219** · 04-03-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

Any tips on how to split my macros? Most I'v seen is 40/40/20 split isn't this to much carbs?

Depends on how ur body handles them. I like to run 10% or less carbs, cutting or bulking. But I wouldn't recommend that out of the gate. Try something like a 50/25/25, see how that woks, and just ply with it. Adjusting up and down carb/fat ratio. Keeping as best of a log as u can and monitoring ur progress.

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**jaswave125** · 04-03-2013, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

Depends on how ur body handles them. I like to run 10% or less carbs, cutting or bulking. But I wouldn't recommend that out of the gate. Try something like a 50/25/25, see how that woks, and just ply with it. Adjusting up and down carb/fat ratio. Keeping as best of a log as u can and monitoring ur progress.

-Chomp Chomp Chomp-Clink Clink Clink-

Thanks now I have something to start with, guess I would start with 50/30/20 as i play basketball regularly.

**Tron3219** · 04-03-2013, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

Thanks now I have something to start with, guess I would start with 50/30/20 as i play basketball regularly.

Use 1.5g protein per pound of lbm then split the remaining cals 60/40

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**alex.mitev** · 04-03-2013, 11:37 PM

Hah, surely calorie us not a calorie and never was. Net caloric balance is highly dependent on the macro split - body stores dietary fats most easily while 25% of protein cals is utilized for processing. Matching macros is totally diff thing, but how could u possibly hit ur macros with junk? No way.

**gbrice75** · 04-04-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by alex.mitev

Hah, surely calorie us not a calorie and never was. Net caloric balance is highly dependent on the macro split - body stores dietary fats most easily while 25% of protein cals is utilized for processing. Matching macros is totally diff thing, but how could u possibly hit ur macros with junk? No way.

^^ this