Sugar good/bad?

[Method-]

Ive been doing a lot of reading lately and seen a bunch of sites and reviews saying utilizing sugar during and PWO is fine. I do a run in the morning and weights at night and have some greentea w/BCAAs during the exercises and some gummie bears post. Is this bad? I'm trying to cleanly bulk. Lost a lot of weight in past 17 months and have excess skin to fill in by bulking up a bit.

[Brazensol]

I eat Greek yogurt with fruit (usually blueberries) after my cardio and I usually put a banana in my after lifting protein shake. My understanding is the simple carbs are supposed to help the muscles recover and increase nutrient uptake in the muscle fibers. Otherwise I try to stay with more complex carbs like vegetables and such.

The fruit does seem to help me recover faster so I plan to keep doing it unless someone can show me it to be a bad thing to do.

[gbrice75]

I see no point or further benefit in purposely eating sugar vs. complex carbs. If anything, I try and avoid it and maintain more stable BGL. Complex carbs will help you recover just fine, without the negative aspect of spikes (and subsequent dips) in BGL.

[Brazensol]

Interesting!

[gbrice75]

For me, it's not a matter of "good or bad", but rather, beneficial vs. non-beneficial, and/or positives vs. negatives.

With that in mind, the residual insulin spike (after quickly raising BGL) will be of very little benefit to most people... negligible difference at best. The rise and fall of BGL however usually leads to noticeable (and very sucky) dips in energy levels, sometimes to the degree where it can be dangerous.

[Brazensol]

Well, from your avatar you certainly know what your doing! Thanks.

[Method-]

Thank you both very much. Basically what you recommend is replace the greentea/gummies with some oats/rice instead then? Just mix those sugar carbs up throughout my other meals in the day or add them to my post workout meal?

[Turkish Juicer]

For me, it's not a matter of "good or bad", but rather, beneficial vs. non-beneficial, and/or positives vs. negatives.

With that in mind, the residual insulin spike (after quickly raising BGL) will be of very little benefit to most people... negligible difference at best. The rise and fall of BGL however usually leads to noticeable (and very sucky) dips in energy levels, sometimes to the degree where it can be dangerous.

It is also a matter of good or bad when it comes to consuming simple sugars.

As soon as high GH simple sugars enters the blood stream, insulin spike occurs. Every time insulin spike occurs, it causes inflammation in the circulatory system. Every time inflammation occurs in the circulatory system, your body suffers from what medical experts call ''metabolic syndrome''. More often ''metabolic syndrome'' occurs, your health becomes threatened; meaning, your immunity system takes a hit and your life expectancy becomes more of an issue due to the biological damage that is caused by this very vicious cycle.

...so , in the case of simple sugars, it is bad, because it is unhealthy.

[--->>405<<---]

^^^ with regards to inflammation i read a very interesting article written by a "leading cardiologist" warning Inflammation was one of the biggest causes for heart disease and/or attacks.

Sugar consumption was mentioned as a major determinant factor. It was a surprise to me. Sugar and heart attacks being grouped together as well as inflammation.

Also people (like me) who have eczema, arthritis, and other inflammatory problems are at greater risk.

Sugar tastes good but is not good for us

[951thompson]

Watch this guys

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BMc0_s-M08I

[Rusty11]

Just curious....for those who drink coffee, what do you put in it?

[--->>405<<---]

Just curious....for those who drink coffee, what do you put in it?

Stevia

[Rusty11]

Thanks!

[Brazensol]

Do you guys eat any fruit at all? Protein shakes just wouldn't be the same without blueberries/strawberries or bananas.

[gbrice75]

Do you guys eat any fruit at all? Protein shakes just wouldn't be the same without blueberries/strawberries or bananas.

Minimally when cutting, a bit more when 'bulking', but in either case, I don't gorge myself with it.

[--->>405<<---]

Do you guys eat any fruit at all? Protein shakes just wouldn't be the same without blueberries/strawberries or bananas.

Imo it depends how lean u want to get as well as how hard it is for u to get lean. Personally i dont eat a ton of fruit but have found i can eat it cutting or bulking or anytime really. A lot of bodybuilding is self discovery. Wat works and/or doesnt work for me, may not apply to u. I can get to 10% bf eating fruit. I know this because i tried it. My suggestion to u is to be very strict until u achieve ur desired bf% and then play around with it to see what u can get away with.

[cj111]

Coffee is best drank black. So strong you can stand a spoon up in it

[RipOwens]

Coffee is best drank black. So strong you can stand a spoon up in it

There's no other way to make it!!! Lol my coffee can also remove old paint if needed

[Brazensol]

My fruit intake runs about 25 grams of blueberries for the Greek yogurt after cardio and either 25 grams blueberries or ~75 grams banana for the after workout protein shake (most non lifting days I just go with protein powder only). Occasionally I'll have a plum (once a week or 10 days).

[--->>405<<---]

My fruit intake runs about 25 grams of blueberries for the Greek yogurt after cardio and either 25 grams blueberries or ~75 grams banana for the after workout protein shake (most non lifting days I just go with protein powder only). Occasionally I'll have a plum (once a week or 10 days).

dang 25g blueberries?? i have 250g blueberries when i eat em.. LOL

[Brazensol]

I don't think I could fit that many into my tub of Greek yogurt. lol.

[Brazensol]

On the plus side I'm nearing 30 pounds of fat gone, gone, gone!

[Turkish Juicer]

Just curious....for those who drink coffee, what do you put in it?

Nothing.

[Turkish Juicer]

Do you guys eat any fruit at all? Protein shakes just wouldn't be the same without blueberries/strawberries or bananas.

I eat only low GI fruit that is also very rich in fiber.

Mostly berry family and grapefruit.

[austinite]

Banana's and the berry group for me. I avoid those when cutting, however.

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ with regards to inflammation i read a very interesting article written by a "leading cardiologist" warning Inflammation was one of the biggest causes for heart disease and/or attacks.

Sugar consumption was mentioned as a major determinant factor. It was a surprise to me. Sugar and heart attacks being grouped together as well as inflammation.

Also people (like me) who have eczema, arthritis, and other inflammatory problems are at greater risk.

Sugar tastes good but is not good for us

I have eczema and sinusitis. These two are one of those health issues that typically won't kill but will make you suffer until you are eventually dead, unless you live the right life style, where nutrition happens to have a very critical role. Sad but true.

People who have sinusitis should also avoid simple sugars as much as possible because apparently simple sugars as well as refined carbs increase mucus build up in human body, sending it to your throat, nasal cavities and ears.

[Turkish Juicer]

Sugar tastes good but is not good for us

One man's meat is another man's poison.

[Brazensol]

I think in moderation it is acceptable except perhaps people like -->>405<<-- who have issues with it. Moderation is the key to most things in life. My dad was a very wise man...

[Rusty11]

Just bought some Stevia today. Man, it's a bit on the pricey side. See how much I trust you guys

[Turkish Juicer]

Just bought some Stevia today. Man, it's a bit on the pricey side. See how much I trust you guys

Stevia is the only sweetener that you can trust, not to mention it is 100% natural.

It is not cheap because it is not synthetic, and you don't need to use much of it anyway

You'll see the difference.

[Rusty11]

Stevia is the only sweetener that you can trust, not to mention it is 100% natural.

It is not cheap because it is not synthetic, and you don't need to use much of it anyway

You'll see the difference.

Awesome. Thanks!

[MajorPectorial]

I just go the cheapest route.

No sweetner full stop lol. But. Im not a 'sweet' type of guy anyways.

Damn. One of the few ppl i know who hasnt got a single filling (and all their teeth) at 32, ;-)

no doubt therell be trouble in my mates bar this weekend n ill be minus one haha

[951thompson]

Sugar is not the devil some folks on this site make out, sure it does spike insulin but so does alot of other foods, most of you drink whey protein which gives off a hell of a spike, so what is the difference?

If you are cutting it is probably a good idea to reduce your sugar intake, if you are bulking or maintaining there is nothing wrong with sugar in moderation.

Telling people that fruit is bad for them is retarded!

[Brazensol]

Moderation is the magical word!

[Turkish Juicer]

Sugar is not the devil some folks on this site make out, sure it does spike insulin but so does alot of other foods, most of you drink whey protein which gives off a hell of a spike, so what is the difference?

If you are cutting it is probably a good idea to reduce your sugar intake, if you are bulking or maintaining there is nothing wrong with sugar in moderation.

Telling people that fruit is bad for them is retarded!

Of course there would be nothing wrong with daily sugar intake when you look at it from purely calorie intake point of view. Sources which you you get your daily calories from matters A LOT, unlike what you'd like to think!

Refined sugar is an invention of the 20th century and for the most part, it emerged from Continental Europe. It is a socio-cultural phenomenon that occurred in the course of history and if you are ever curious about the genealogy of daily consumption of refined sugars then the keywords would be European Aristocracy and Colonialism. Aztecs invented hot chocolate, yet Portuguese decided to drink it with lots of sugar in it instead of maintaining the original recipe that included only Chili. Thus, phenomenon of ''sweet tooth'' was just another infliction of the worldview of a limited number of people, just like industrialism and hence capitalism. Daily consumption of sugar became more of a ''nutritional standard'' for the average citizen of planet Earth as food industry grew with pre-packaged beverages and eatables of all kinds as processing sugar became easier and more profitable.

Hear this retard out, please: Anthropological evidence suggests that humans have been around for nearly 2 million years and yet cultivation of fruit (via gardening) dates back only to 15.000 years ago, not to mention lack of ''vaccination'' resulted in production of ''all natural fruit'', which is estimated to contain 2-3 times LESS SUGAR compared to today's fruit varieties that we eat. That is, today's fruit has a comparatively much higher GI than what it was until the turn of this century. This is precisely why I refuse to eat tropical fruit (highest GI content of all fruit and unsurprisingly the most commercial!), for instance. I advise everyone around me to eat fruit with a GI of 52 at max. and watch the GL also while eating. Also keep in mind that micro-nutritional (enzymes, minerals, vitamins, fiber, water, anti-oxidants and etc.) benefit of fruit can easily be compensated by eating vegetables. There are only a few vegetables that contain a considerable amount of sugar, which can easily be compensated by other vegetables that don't!

Daily sugar consumption, whether it is refined or natural, is medically/scientifically proven to be responsible for a variety of health issues between decayed tooth and obesity. Again, various anthropological studies suggest that THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN LITTLE TO NONE SUGAR CONSUMPTION AND LONGEVITY. That is, communities that have the highest life-span statistics are those that do NOT consume sugars. Moreover, there is not a single biological process in the design of human anatomy that actually requires simple sugars. Your brain, which is the largest and heaviest internal organ and is in charge of your central nervous system, requires whatever amount of glucose is converted from 100gr of daily CHO intake in order to be able to function properly. As we all know of it, human liver is capable of converting complex CHO into glucose through a bio-chemical process called ''glycogenesis.'' What part of this information do you really want to argue against? As you see, trying to justify daily sugar consumption would make anyone look just as miserable as that guy who is trying hard to justify being fat. It is not justifiable, not from a single perspective.

In the last result, it is neither natural nor healthy for humans to consume on a regular basis, plain and simple.

[951thompson]

Of course there would be nothing wrong with daily sugar intake when you look at it from purely calorie intake point of view. Sources which you you get your daily calories from matters A LOT, unlike what you'd like to think!

Refined sugar is an invention of the 20th century and for the most part, it emerged from Continental Europe. It is a socio-cultural phenomenon that occurred in the course of history and if you are ever curious about the genealogy of daily consumption of refined sugars then the keywords would be European Aristocracy and Colonialism. Aztecs invented hot chocolate, yet Portuguese decided to drink it with lots of sugar in it instead of maintaining the original recipe that included only Chili. Thus, phenomenon of ''sweet tooth'' was just another infliction of the worldview of a limited number of people, just like industrialism and hence capitalism. Daily consumption of sugar became more of a ''nutritional standard'' for the average citizen of planet Earth as food industry grew with pre-packaged beverages and eatables of all kinds as processing sugar became easier and more profitable.

Hear this retard out, please: Anthropological evidence suggests that humans have been around for nearly 2 million years and yet cultivation of fruit (via gardening) dates back only to 15.000 years ago, not to mention lack of ''vaccination'' resulted in production of ''all natural fruit'', which is estimated to contain 2-3 times LESS SUGAR compared to today's fruit varieties that we eat. That is, today's fruit has a comparatively much higher GI than what it was until the turn of this century. This is precisely why I refuse to eat tropical fruit (highest GI content of all fruit and unsurprisingly the most commercial!), for instance. I advise everyone around me to eat fruit with a GI of 52 at max. and watch the GL also while eating. Also keep in mind that micro-nutritional (enzymes, minerals, vitamins, fiber, water, anti-oxidants and etc.) benefit of fruit can easily be compensated by eating vegetables. There are only a few vegetables that contain a considerable amount of sugar, which can easily be compensated by other vegetables that don't!

Daily sugar consumption, whether it is refined or natural, is medically/scientifically proven to be responsible for a variety of health issues between decayed tooth and obesity. Again, various anthropological studies suggest that THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN LITTLE TO NONE SUGAR CONSUMPTION AND LONGEVITY. That is, communities that have the highest life-span statistics are those that do NOT consume sugars. Moreover, there is not a single biological process in the design of human anatomy that actually requires simple sugars. Your brain, which is the largest and heaviest internal organ and is in charge of your central nervous system, requires whatever amount of glucose is converted from 100gr of daily CHO intake in order to be able to function properly. As we all know of it, human liver is capable of converting complex CHO into glucose through a bio-chemical process called ''glycogenesis.'' What part of this information do you really want to argue against? As you see, trying to justify daily sugar consumption would make anyone look just as miserable as that guy who is trying hard to justify being fat. It is not justifiable, not from a single perspective.

In the last result, it is neither natural nor healthy for humans to consume on a regular basis, plain and simple.

Telling people eating fruit is bad, is like saying chocolate is really good for you (it's on the same level lol)

All sugars are made different, you can't just paint them all with the same brush because they all have different functions, for example fructose and sucrose are mainly used for liver glycogen, where as dextrose and glucose are used in the blood stream. They are all different and have there own purpose.

If some of you don't eat sugar because you fear insulin spike, then im sorry to break the news to you, everything has a GI score (including whey been very high score) alot of sugar products have rather low scores, especially fructose based products.

Not taking a pop at you bud, because I think you are a cool guy. Just we are not on the same page on this one

Check this video of Alan Aragon (one of the worlds leading nutrition scientists) he debunks some myths about sugar, he also links studies in the caption below the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMc0_...e_gdata_player

[Rusty11]

Gotta be honest...not lovin' this stevia in my coffee. But, I'll hold judgement and keep at it. Previously, I showered my coffee with sugar and half and half. It's a horrible habit that needed to end.

[Brazensol]

Gotta be honest...not lovin' this stevia in my coffee. But, I'll hold judgement and keep at it. Previously, I showered my coffee with sugar and half and half. It's a horrible habit that needed to end.

I tried stevia a couple of times in the past and I just couldn't get a taste for it. Some people say that can't hardly tell the difference but I know I could.