How many grams of protein can our badoy take in one meal?

[hell911]

How many grams of protein can our body take in one meal/sitting?

[t-dogg]

How many grams of protein can our badoy take in one meal/sitting?

50grams is a good number IMO.

[austinite]

Everyone is different, but a whole lot more than what you read about everywhere. This is probably the most overthought topic on earth. Well, this and how much protein per day to consume.. Just spread your meals out and you never have to worry about it.

[Docd187123]

There's no set limit. When you eat more than you can digest and absorb at any given time the body will slow digestion so nutrients aren't wasted.

[hell911]

for example: what if i eat nutritious food + drink protein shake in 1 meal results in 2500 calories and 200g of protein.

any side effect to the body?

its just for an example, so take it easy.

[Docd187123]

for example: what if i eat nutritious food + drink protein shake in 1 meal results in 2500 calories and 200g of protein.

any side effect to the body?

its just for an example, so take it easy.

The ileal tract in the small intestine will slow digestion so you absorb nutrients still. Ever heard of IF or the warrior diet? The only side effect is you might experience some bloat and some people function better with more frequent meals. It's up to the individual to decide what works best for him/her self.

[Schwarzenegger]

The ileal tract in the small intestine will slow digestion so you absorb nutrients still. Ever heard of IF or the warrior diet? The only side effect is you might experience some bloat and some people function better with more frequent meals. It's up to the individual to decide what works best for him/her self.

You are correct with protein absorption via food.

Shakes, however, are not easily absorbed if the protein level is high per shake. Anything over 40ish grams of protein per shake u will overwhelm the kidneys and ull piss it out. Don't believe me? Rock high protein shakes for a while and hit the doc for a piss test and he'll say u got protein in ur urine, which means filtration is overwhelmed. Long term = bad.

[hell911]

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oh.... wasted protein.

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this is my protein shake contents. >> http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...ml#post6674343

so you think 107g of protein in that protein shake is not a good idea? u think half of that protein will not be absorbed by the body?

im planning to drink that protein shake after workout.

[Schwarzenegger]

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oh.... wasted protein.

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this is my protein shake contents. >> http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...ml#post6674343

so you think 107g of protein in that protein shake is not a good idea? u think half of that protein will not be absorbed by the body?

im planning to drink that protein shake after workout.

Wow that's some serious calories. Def not gonna be absorbed. Lol u have a greater chance of absorbing if u eat the other stuff. And do a 2 scoop shake. That shake is overkill.

Think about it this way. All of that turns into liquid form, which, obvs makes it easier to digest. Ur GIT absorbs it all so all the protein is ur in blood regardless of how much protein u had. Liquid absorbs quicker so in blood quicker.

We all know this, hence why u doing the shake. Here's the kicker. Your kidneys physically have a set tolerance of how much protein they can filter at one time based on its GFR (glomular filtration rate). Everyone's is different but avg range is 30-45g protein give or take. Lets say u got all 107g protein in ur blood via the shake so it hits it all at once. Ur kidneys get overwhelmed and can't filter the protein out fast enuf, so now u got some protein ending up in ur kidney tubules and therefore being secreted as urine.

Puts unneeded stress on ur kidney and ur not even absorbing it all so its all pointless.

If u ate the other stuff. Digestion would be slower for that therefore protein release slower into system. Plus ur shake of no more than 2 scoops. Preferably 1.5 scoops. U'd be a happy camper and absorb most of it.

[gbrice75]

There's no set limit. When you eat more than you can digest and absorb at any given time the body will slow digestion so nutrients aren't wasted.

The ileal tract in the small intestine will slow digestion so you absorb nutrients still. Ever heard of IF or the warrior diet? The only side effect is you might experience some bloat and some people function better with more frequent meals. It's up to the individual to decide what works best for him/her self.

^^ this. Larger meals will simply take longer to digest. Our bodies didn't evolve to 'waste' vital nutrients simply because the intake was more than could be digested immediately (and honestly, nothing is digested 'immediately' anyway).

[graham0599]

Just keep your meals spread out. I typically try to get 1-1.5grams of protein per pound of body weight. Just a general rule of thumb, not saying it's the absolute right way.

[hell911]

so based from that shake, what if i drink that shake 50% content in 1st hour, then 50% content in 2nd hour. will it be better or not?

[Docd187123]

You are correct with protein absorption via food.

Shakes, however, are not easily absorbed if the protein level is high per shake. Anything over 40ish grams of protein per shake u will overwhelm the kidneys and ull piss it out. Don't believe me? Rock high protein shakes for a while and hit the doc for a piss test and he'll say u got protein in ur urine, which means filtration is overwhelmed. Long term = bad.

Why would shakes be any different? Bc they're liquid and not solid? All that means is the digestion process is shortened not that assimilation is necessarily affected. Not that I don't believe you but the cycle I just finished a few months ago, I was short on time (busy schedule) I routinely used whey to supplement my protein intake, some days I'd have up to 150g of protein just in shakes. My shakes are 2scoops of protein plus either water, water and oats, milk, or milk and oats so a shake for me is 50g PRO minimum often times higher. I got pre, mid, and post cycle bloods and my creatinine, BUN, and BUN/creatinine values all came back within range. I stay properly hydrated with water which is key bc dehydration will affect kidney function and BUN and creatinine values.

[Docd187123]

^^ this. Larger meals will simply take longer to digest. Our bodies didn't evolve to 'waste' vital nutrients simply because the intake was more than could be digested immediately (and honestly, nothing is digested 'immediately' anyway).

I see why you're the diet pimp lol! I agree wholeheartedly with this ^^^. Digestion of a typical meal can take 6hrs or more, durian which time I don't think 70g PRO from a ribeye steak is going to be wasted. Dietary fat also slows digestion further allowing the body to uptake nutrients.

[gbrice75]

so based from that shake, what if i drink that shake 50% content in 1st hour, then 50% content in 2nd hour. will it be better or not?

Not better, not worse, i.e., no (appreciable) difference.

Why would shakes be any different? Bc they're liquid and not solid? All that means is the digestion process is shortened not that assimilation is necessarily affected. Not that I don't believe you but the cycle I just finished a few months ago, I was short on time (busy schedule) I routinely used whey to supplement my protein intake, some days I'd have up to 150g of protein just in shakes. My shakes are 2scoops of protein plus either water, water and oats, milk, or milk and oats so a shake for me is 50g PRO minimum often times higher. I got pre, mid, and post cycle bloods and my creatinine, BUN, and BUN/creatinine values all came back within range. I stay properly hydrated with water which is key bc dehydration will affect kidney function and BUN and creatinine values.

Yep. I'm currently fasting and breaking that fast with 2 cups liquid egg whites, 2 scoops protein powder, 1/2 cup oats and a banana. That's over 100g protein of which, evidently, i'm "pissing out" approx. half.

I see why you're the diet pimp lol! I agree wholeheartedly with this ^^^. Digestion of a typical meal can take 6hrs or more, durian which time I don't think 70g PRO from a ribeye steak is going to be wasted. Dietary fat also slows digestion further allowing the body to uptake nutrients.

Definitely. We evolved to be storage machines, and honestly I think our bodies run better on stored fuel vs. immediate. I realize we're talking about protein in this case (vs. carbs/fats, i.e. 'fuel') but I believe the same basic ideas apply.

[austinite]

Yep, GB is the go to man!

[kelkel]

Yep, GB is the go to PIMP!

Fixed...

[Schwarzenegger]

Don't take my word for it, get a urine test and see if there is protein in it. BUN/creatinine levels are only elevated in pathological conditions.

We can sit and go back and forth with bro science and opinions. Get a urine test and if u taking in that much protein at one time via shake, not solids, guaranteed protein in urine.

And I'm talking bout shakes, not meals. Meals are good to go. Shakes are digested/absorbed much more rapidly hence the overload. If on the other hand u had 100g protein from a meal u'd be straight cuz obvs digestion would take hrs.

[Whiteboyy0]

The better question is why are you wasting so many calories on liquids? Stock p on the chicken breast man

[Docd187123]

Don't take my word for it, get a urine test and see if there is protein in it. BUN/creatinine levels are only elevated in pathological conditions.

We can sit and go back and forth with bro science and opinions. Get a urine test and if u taking in that much protein at one time via shake, not solids, guaranteed protein in urine.

And I'm talking bout shakes, not meals. Meals are good to go. Shakes are digested/absorbed much more rapidly hence the overload. If on the other hand u had 100g protein from a meal u'd be straight cuz obvs digestion would take hrs.

As GB pointed out, our bodies did not evolve to waste vital nutrients. We have evolved to the point where the body can extract almost all nutrients available whether the food intake is liquid (shakes) or not. The ileal tract will alter rate of digestion and absorption of food as it passes through the small intestine. Healthy functioning kidneys, with proper hydration, will trap behind albumin and not let it get excreted into the urine in the manner you're suggesting

So the ileal brake controls the rate of how much food enters the small intestine so that absorption is maximized and food doesn't go to waste. In other words, it will slow down digestion essentially so that the small intestine can take its sweet time and absorb nutrients without being rushed into absorbing everything all at once. One study, showed maximum absorption rates to be as high as 10 g/hour for protein (for pure whey), although only a few proteins were measured. When you factor in a mixed diet and other sources of protein, you can expect lower rates of absorption such that it seems that a lot of protein may indeed go to waste. However, that study does not take into account the fact that the gastrointestinal system can adapt to diet, meaning that amino acid absorption can improve when the GI tract exposed to higher protein loads. To sum it all up, your intestines take care of the possible issues and make it all work in the end.

If protein was not actually broken down, then it would not even be absorbed by the intestine. If large peptides did make it into systemic circulation, your immune system would react to it and you could possibly get a food allergy from that (and this can happen with a diseased gut). A healthy small intestine makes sure that only broken down protein (amino acids, dipeptides, and tripeptides) get absorbed. Any protein that is not broken down (certain proteins and chains that are not bioavailable, that is) is not absorbed either goes to the large intestine where bacteria will use it for its own consumption or gets pooped out. It will not be turned into fat for storage because it does not enter systemic circulation in the first place.

Im not trying to spit bro-science. I happen to know the body is more adaptive than you credit it for and it will not waste precious nutrients that it needs for survival. It's an autonomous mechanism in the body, digestion rates slow and speed all the time based on intake. Hell, if you're so concerned about pissing out excess protein from shakes, mix it with some milk and the fat and casein protein will slow the rate of digestion further.

[austinite]

lol. See what you did, OP? - Actually a great thread. I learned.

[Xaxist]

so you think 107g of protein in that protein shake is not a good idea? u think half of that protein will not be absorbed by the body?
im planning to drink that protein shake after workout.

That is quite a shake! I guess I just don't understand why you would want to down that all at once. I always found consuming protein throughout the day in smaller chunks was more beneficial. I would premake huge custom shakes but I would carry the 'jug' with me and drink a certain amount at intervals.

[Docd187123]

That is quite a shake! I guess I just don't understand why you would want to down that all at once. I always found consuming protein throughout the day in smaller chunks was more beneficial. I would premake huge custom shakes but I would carry the 'jug' with me and drink a certain amount at intervals.

Why would consuming it "in smaller chunks" be more beneficial? How often are these smaller chunks? There's only so many times a day you can maximally stimulate protein synthesis so you either stimulate it more frequently (6-8meals/day) and have a lower overall peak synthesis level or you can stimulate it less frequently (1-4meAls/day) and have a higher level of synthesis. It's a trade off with no clear cut winner. That's why i believe it to be largely a function of personal preference

[Docd187123]

lol. See what you did, OP? - Actually a great thread. I learned.

You know me, I tend to ramble hahaha

[gbrice75]

Shakes are digested/absorbed much more rapidly hence the overload. If on the other hand u had 100g protein from a meal u'd be straight cuz obvs digestion would take hrs.

How about a shake in tandem with carbs and especially fats?

Personally, I never drink straight protein powder, it's just my personal preference. I always have powders mixed with 'real' food.

I always found consuming protein throughout the day in smaller chunks was more beneficial.

In what way? Please elaborate.

[hell911]

to those who are asking why im taking this high amount of protein/calories shake,,

coz its easy to drink than to eat, why would i spend time on eating 3 meals a day if i can spend that much of time in 1 meal (shake)

but im not sure if all those calories/protein, etc.. are absorbed by my body.

@docd
if u look at my shake, i always mix it with Milk, not water, so its good?

[Docd187123]

to those who are asking why im taking this high amount of protein/calories shake,,

coz its easy to drink than to eat, why would i spend time on eating 3 meals a day if i can spend that much of time in 1 meal (shake)

but im not sure if all those calories/protein, etc.. are absorbed by my body.

@docd
if u look at my shake, i always mix it with Milk, not water, so its good?

Yes, as GB pointed out, taking your shake with carbs and especially fats will significantly alter digestion patterns in your favor.

Edit* even if you mix whey with water but eat some carbs and fats at the same time, it's fine as well

[Docd187123]

How about a shake in tandem with carbs and especially fats?

Personally, I never drink straight protein powder, it's just my personal preference. I always have powders mixed with 'real' food.



In what way? Please elaborate.

I like your answers lol, clear cut and goes beyond the normal dogma!

[kelkel]

lol. See what you did, OP? - Actually a great thread. I learned.

It is a great thread.

[gbrice75]

I like your answers lol, clear cut and goes beyond the normal dogma!

lol, thanks Doc. This 'debate' resurfaces around here every few months... I just roll with them now.

[Docd187123]

It is a great thread.

It is indeed.

lol, thanks Doc. This 'debate' resurfaces around here every few months... I just roll with them now.

This comes up pretty often in the diet section of the forum that Austin invited me from too. Always fun to hear people's explanations lol