PsyBorg will bulk... on fat

[psyBorg]

hi everybody,

This will be my log for the bulking process I'm about to start.


Let me tell you first that my nutrition plan might stir up a debate.
Not only am I on a ketogenic diet, I'm not even eating vegetables right now. Yep, no fiber, no magic cure-all vitamins from the rainbow salad. I have my own reasons for this that I might elaborate on later posts.


Now for the essential,

STATS:
19 y-o
female
5'3"
120 lbs as of last week
15 +-2% BF
on a very low dose of test c. 20mg ew
And I'm trying to bulk. I have no idea if my goal is realistic.. 2.2 lb a month?

Here's how my training will look like:
2 days split. 2 days on, 1 day off.
Day 1: Squat, Bench press
Day 2: Deadlift, lat pull down, close-grip seated rows
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Squat, standing press
Day 5: Deadlift, close-grip chin-ups, dumbbell rows
Day 6: Rest

I don't know if I have too much to do on back days compared to chest days. I will probably either add dips on chest day or not do the chin-ups on back day, but I haven't decided yet. And maybe I'll have to do HIIT for gym class but right now I'm thinking **** that. Waste of calories and performance, right?

I'm trying to eat at least 2200 cal a day, but what I'd really like to is 2500.
A typical meal of mine consists of 5 egg yolks, and a small steak, rare or bleu, with a few tbsp coconut oil. Nothing complicated.
I've started adding one cup of coconut milk and some cream cheese everyday. I might add some 10%mg yogourt once my digestion is done catching up because I'm not used to eating that much yet. How the huge guys ingest more than 3000 a day is way beyond my understanding. I will die trying lol.

So that's it for now guys and gals! I will update maybe once a week, and I promise that I will stick with it: I will keep updating for at least 3 months, regardless of the progress. If bulking on keto did work for me, you will know; and if it didn't, you will still know it didn't!

Questions, comments, suggestions, all welcome!

[DontTaseMeBro]

Interesting. I couldn't go without my veggies. Good luck, and keep the updates coming.

[Reiid13]

A friend of mine who suffered from convulsions and black outs tried this diet , ( not on medical advice , googled it) worked well so he said . But from a health point of view I dont see the benefit .

BB , Cutting , dieting ,gym etc all goes hand in hand with leading a healthy lifestyle

Be interesting to follow your progress

[dmelniko]

20mg T a week will probably do nothing for you this is hardly a TRT dose. at your age your natty T levels should be booming, eating right will give you the gains.

regarding your SS training 2 on 2 off is going to put your CNS trough hell if the intensity is high, more is not always better.

[Back In Black]

20mg T a week will probably do nothing for you this is hardly a TRT dose. at your age your natty T levels should be booming, eating right will give you the gains.

regarding your SS training 2 on 2 off is going to put your CNS trough hell if the intensity is high, more is not always better.

You did read that she is a she, right?

[Back In Black]

What macro split are you trying to achieve? Actually, why keto, have you used it before or know you have an issue with carbs?

Are you having any kind of refeed with carbs at any time?

Would love to know why no veggies or fibre but I'm thinking, coupled with no carbs, you may have some GI issues.

If you try to gain too much too fast you will gain a fair amount of fat. Why 2.2lbs a month? You deal in kg's right? Only the scales and mirror will tell you if that gain is reasonable and then you will know if 2200 cals is right. Obviously the heavier you get the more food you need. Small increments over time make eating lots of cals easier. Oh, and the huge guys likely eat more than 4000cals daily!!!

How did you settle on 20mg test c per week? First cycle? Planned length?

[dmelniko]

You did read that she is a she, right?

ohh damm totally missed that... guess was reading between the lines ...

if its her first cycle wouldn't be prop a better choice, just in case she will experience harsh sides?

[Reiid13]

if its her first cycle wouldn't be prop a better choice, just in case she will experience harsh sides?

Test prop you have to inject EOD , its a shorter ester , cant see your logic ...

Estrogen side effects can be managed when on a longer ester with AI , I wouldnt switch to something more brutal on my first cycle

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

hi everybody,

This will be my log for the bulking process I'm about to start.


Let me tell you first that my nutrition plan might stir up a debate.
Not only am I on a ketogenic diet, I'm not even eating vegetables right now. Yep, no fiber, no magic cure-all vitamins from the rainbow salad. I have my own reasons for this that I might elaborate on later posts.


Now for the essential,

STATS:
19 y-o
female
5'3"
120 lbs as of last week
15 +-2% BF
on a very low dose of test c. 20mg ew
And I'm trying to bulk. I have no idea if my goal is realistic.. 2.2 lb a month?

Here's how my training will look like:
2 days split. 2 days on, 1 day off.
Day 1: Squat, Bench press
Day 2: Deadlift, lat pull down, close-grip seated rows
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Squat, standing press
Day 5: Deadlift, close-grip chin-ups, dumbbell rows
Day 6: Rest

I don't know if I have too much to do on back days compared to chest days. I will probably either add dips on chest day or not do the chin-ups on back day, but I haven't decided yet. And maybe I'll have to do HIIT for gym class but right now I'm thinking **** that. Waste of calories and performance, right?

I'm trying to eat at least 2200 cal a day, but what I'd really like to is 2500.
A typical meal of mine consists of 5 egg yolks, and a small steak, rare or bleu, with a few tbsp coconut oil. Nothing complicated. I've started adding one cup of coconut milk and some cream cheese everyday. I might add some 10%mg yogourt (Stumbled across a ready to eat and keep in frig dish that will pack on cals and burn fat not that at 2% BF your worried about burning fat But I will still share Brown rice, plain low fat Greek Yogourt real butter, & protein source of your choice ; egg whites if you like, Whey protein powder unflavored add to your taste, black beans, chicken, fish, buffalo, turkey, deer, beef tips AMAZINGLY STRANGE & GREAT TASTING ! once my digestion is done catching up because I'm not used to eating that much yet. How the huge guys ingest more than 3000 a day is way beyond my understanding. I will die trying lol. I am 54 and ingest close to 3000 and am 6 ft and 240 lbs and far from huge ! DA Dr. tells me I am obese and need to loose weight ? He is a fat a$$ and doesn't know the difference in loosing weight and shrinking fat cells

So that's it for now guys and gals! I will update maybe once a week, and I promise that I will stick with it: I will keep updating for at least 3 months, regardless of the progress. If bulking on keto did work for me, you will know; and if it didn't, you will still know it didn't!

Questions, comments, suggestions, all welcome!

I am so very interested to follow this thread and hope the OP does keep it up dated ! IMHO at her height and current weight I would think at the 2000 calories + (would put her desired 2.2 lbs a month on her in a week after 3rd week) , 3 lbs. a week IMO ? The Test and eating alone would seem plenty of boost for weight gain . However I also think some strong Prop would be better and I think it will brew at 150 mg per mL and not crash or even Water based Test ( My 54 Yr Old "Old Sckool" is showing ) Water based Test will make you explode and plenty of Euro UGL's carry it ! On water based Test I even gained weight in my fingers at 22 years old. But that is a whole other bad story !

One of my many comments / question is the gym / lifting routine ? I used to train different way back when in the late 70's and 80's and even though Bulking the routine seems somewhat in need of more exercises to keep that shape that females like at that caloric intake and low intensity routine it would seem she will look like a power lifter and if she is cut now and just wants to add quality size / bulk so many body part are being completely ignored ?

I do not mean to disrespect in any way I am just stating / asking a question and I hope Back in Black or the OP will respond to my questions and curiosity ? At 19 this girl would have to be one incredible Genetic miracles or IMO at 19 doesn't seem like there have been enough years to have all the Female desired bragging points like diamond calves, vascular arms, peaked Biceps, General vascular cut abs ? I really want to see what her research and journey will produce ? I would really like to see a BEFORE (now pic) and on Cypionate even female still will take 3 weeks to a mth or so to see major changes and scale and stats mean nothing with out a pic ?

I have asked a bunch of question and want to encourage the OP Just at 5 ft 3 in and 120 seems there is plenty to work with and what I also didn't understand was 2% BF just with that nutrition routine and nothing except bulking exercises and no cardio listed Is 2% with calipers or a water tank ? Again I am very interested ! If my thoughts are way off please anyone or OP; PLEASE, help square my away I in no way mean any disrespect ? Because 5 3 and 120 lbs even with almost unheard of 2% BF low BF% doesn't seem that could be that skinny that needs to bulk ? Please, OP respond with a Pic.; I am sure I am not the only one that would like to see the transformation ?

I am betting she will be amazed at the amount of weight she puts on and I have been around females on Test . . . . lol I have not always been an old man lol..

AGAN GOOD LUCK TO THE OP AND PLEASE RESPOND WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THIS PROGRAM AND HOW LONG DO YOU PLAN TO BULK OP ?

Truly would like to see the pic from a starting point and to see the end results Go Get'um girl !

[Back In Black]

ohh damm totally missed that... guess was reading between the lines ...

if its her first cycle wouldn't be prop a better choice, just in case she will experience harsh sides?

Test prop you have to inject EOD , its a shorter ester , cant see your logic ...

Estrogen side effects can be managed when on a longer ester with AI , I wouldnt switch to something more brutal on my first cycle

I'm a little ignorant as to AAS usage in girls but from what I do know they don't have the same pinning schedule as guys to avoid too much build up of test. So prop would be pinned every 4 or 5 days whereas a longer Esther is pinned every 7 days or longer. More experienced ladies will likely have a different schedule as they learn how to manage sides. Having said this, 20mg pw is a really low dose and a lot of girls will start around 50mg.

As I say, I'm a little ignorant but the above is my basic understanding. I am, of course, willing to learn if somebody wants to chime in and put me right.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I'm a little ignorant as to AAS usage in girls but from what I do know they don't have the same pinning schedule as guys to avoid too much build up of test. So prop would be pinned every 4 or 5 days whereas a longer Esther is pinned every 7 days or longer. More experienced ladies will likely have a different schedule as they learn how to manage sides. Having said this, 20mg pw is a really low dose and a lot of girls will start around 50mg.

As I say, I'm a little ignorant but the above is my basic understanding. I am, of course, willing to learn if somebody wants to chime in and put me right.

Did I read those stats correctly 2% BF ?

No Cardio ?

[Back In Black]

Did I read those stats correctly 2% BF ?

No Cardio ?

I think you read incorrect. I think she is saying 15% give or take 2%, so 13-17%.

Here is a ladies chart, 15% is pretty lean for a girl

[Reiid13]

Here is a ladies chart, 15% is pretty lean for a girl
<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=148236"/>

Wow never knew male and female bf% look that different !

[psyBorg]

Thank you all for your replies!

at your age your natty T levels should be booming, eating right will give you the gains.

regarding your SS training 2 on 2 off is going to put your CNS trough hell if the intensity is high, more is not always better.

How I wish my natty level were booming
I can't say for sure but if I were a guy I'd probably listen to you and use steroids only for cutting or when I get super old.

It was actually 2 on 1 off that I had in mind so each muscle groups get to be trained once every 3 days. I agree in most things in life more is less. I will pay attention to how I recover and be careful not to overtrain. Thanks for the advice!


Hi Back in Black

Macro:
My macro is super simple. 150g protein, carbs below 50. The rest is fat!
These few weeks my blood ketone levels have been around 3,5mmol consistently so it's working nice.

Why keto:
I have many, many reasons for doing keto. And I will talk about it in a not-too-boring way I hope.. so you'll bear with me as I update the thread. I don't think I have any issues with carbs per-se, but with gluten I do, so I avoid grains even when I'm not on a ketogenic diet. White flour tastes like shit to me now anyway, so there’s nothing much I miss. I do have a mild GI issue right now because I upped the calories too fast, but my body is adapting quickly.

Carb refeed: No refeed days during these 3 months. I might eat 1tsp honey at night as a sleep aid, but even with that my daily intake of carbs will still never exceed the 50g.

First cycle? This is not really my first cycle. I've been using testosterone for well over 9 months now because it stops my periods That's how much I hate having my periods.

Maybe I will up it a bit next week or so when I get real in my workouts, but I'd like to keep it fairly low because my voice has changed so much already and next I’m going to have a beard! During most of those 9 months I was on 5g a day of androgel for the hell of it. That’s the dosage a female to male transsexual would be taking to completely change his body’s appearance. uh-oh.. yeah.

I hope this answers some of your questions, keep’em coming !


Hi BuzzMarine!

Thanks for the recipe brother but I dunno, there’s something sad about low fat yogurt don’t you agree? I often wonder why people even bother to eat yogurt if it isn’t for the fat. Do you know how hard it was for me to find my 10%mg yogurt? One day my high fat yogurt is going to be hella expensive and eventually disappear from the supermarkets shelf because people avoid it like the HIV.

and I'm far from 2% BF, YOU CRAZY!! 2% is the accuracy of the electronic device. 15+-2% means I’m likely between 13 and 17%. My guess is I’m more at 17%. So no diamond calves or arteries popping out from the skin. I feel kinda bad because you were getting all excited it seems, don’t cry *pats on shoulder*

How I came up with this program is by reading up a lot on everything nutrition, bodybuilding and fitness-related. And this year after I came back from a mind transforming travel I realised that I wanted to take my body to another level.


Apologies for the time it took to reply to your questions, I had school stuff to do! I genuinely appreciate all your comments, let’s keep it rollin’!!

[psyBorg]

I found my camera but there's no memory card in it. fail. So I'll be posting a pic as soon as I find it, as a reference for later, as you guys pointed it out.

Some numbers: Blood glucose is 3.9 mmol. Which is pretty low. Blood ketone is 1.4mmol. I drank a cup of coconut milk with heavy cream 45 minutes ago, and that is the most carby thing I ever drink in a day on keto, so it explains the low blood ketone. Still, 1.4 is pretty good, considering that people on a standard diet will not even produce enough ketones for any device to read. From what I've read, even researchers in the field of ketone bodies will only induce mild ketosis (around 0.3mmol) in their subjects during studies.
Since my BK level generally stays at around 3.5 mmol, I'm in an unknown zone in the realm of the body's adaptative mechanism right now... It sounds exciting when put that way doesn't it? Or am I just hype

By the by, the way I measure this is with a super accurate device for diabetics called Precision Xtra, so this is no Ketostix BS. The numbers I will write down in this journal are reliable for sure.

How cool is that.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thank you all for your replies!

Hi BuzzMarine!

Thanks for the recipe brother but I dunno, there’s something sad about low fat yogurt don’t you agree? I often wonder why people even bother to eat yogurt if it isn’t for the fat. Do you know how hard it was for me to find my 10%mg yogurt? One day my high fat yogurt is going to be hella expensive and eventually disappear from the supermarkets shelf because people avoid it like the HIV.

and I'm far from 2% BF, YOU CRAZY!! 2% is the accuracy of the electronic device. 15+-2% means I’m likely between 13 and 17%. My guess is I’m more at 17%. So no diamond calves or arteries popping out from the skin. I feel kinda bad because you were getting all excited it seems, don’t cry *pats on shoulder* lol I just read this and noted the fantasy you have . . . lol No you don't excite me ! lol you are a child to me I have kids older than you and a Daughter a few mths from your age and I know what she weights and she is 5 6 and can't imagine a 5 3 female bulking at 120 lbs and 17% BF unless you have the desire to be a Russian female wrestler ?

How I came up with this program is by reading up a lot on everything nutrition, bodybuilding and fitness-related. And this year after I came back from a mind transforming travel I realised that I wanted to take my body to another level.

No not really I do agree I would rather have Unsaturated fat than carbs but to intentionally try to eat mass amounts of fat ? I will never intentionally try to do ! At 150 Grams of Protein and 50 Grams of Carbs since you are on a low carb intake I would guess you are eating about as many grams of fat as Protein or you seem to be high in the Carb area? IMO ? Maybe at 19 but even if you are staying with unsatrated fat but from what you list ; if I read it right you just want fat of any kind and I would be easier to understand for me if you clearified your Macros and 150 grams of Protein, 50 grams of Carbs , & ? ? ? grams of fat still doesn't address your macros saying everything else is fat ? I am trying to understand your target nutrition goal and if you don't gain on those macros Fats have 9 calories per gram and I would agree fat over Carbs but not any fat so how many grams of fat are in your macros since you weight everyting with very precise precission ? Please mam ?

Yes at 5 3 and 120 lbs I think a pic would speak eons and for me clearify everything ? 17% BF and start bulking ? The w/o routine you listed only hit a few body parts with only 1 or 2 exercises ? I am trying to understand what you goal is .

Please bear with me I am older and my metabolisim is much slower than a 19 year olds !s ! I am not trying to give you a hard time I am really interested in a female using Test for over 9 mts. and a BF% of 17% ? I would think you would be cutting and yet at 17% BF you are bulking ? You are going to be bigger than XxanderaXx the smartest guy on this forum ?

I am far from it and do not claim to be a person to give advise other than share my own personal experience and research ? So that is why I am asking all the questions ? I know some women BB at 5 7 and big biceps for a female and they keep their weight around 140 lbs on the med. and would bulk or cut from 140 lbs at 5 7 ? Help me understand ? Please ?

[mauz]

very interesting will definitely be following your thread .

[Back In Black]

That's a crazy way to stop menstruating, you know you can cause permanent damage?

Are you saying you have been using 5mg test gel every day for 9 months? It's what I was prescribed for my TRT initially, your 20mg of test per week now is paltry compared to your gel dosing.

I hoping you get access to the female forum quick because I really think you need the assistance from some girls that know what they are doing. I will see if I can't hurry that along for you.

[Emperor9]

how can you bulk in ketosis? low carb and moderate protein only. yeah great for a cut but not bulk imo.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

how can you bulk in ketosis? low carb and moderate protein only. yeah great for a cut but not bulk imo.

If you read what she said about her Macros , it was a little misleading

"150 grams of protein, 50 grams of carbs, and everything else fats"

From her previous posts she targets any and every kind of fat she can get her hands on so say macros @ 200 grams fat, 150 grams protein, and 50 grams of carbs ?

So I guessed at these macros and came up with this ?

200 grams fat x 9 calories per gram . . . . = 1800 calories

150 grams protein x 4 calories per gram = 600 calories

50 grams of carbs x 4 calories per gram = 200 calories

Total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = 2600 calories a day

She stated her goal was 2200 calories a day Sooooo she is going to need to adjust something somewhere ? But this split would put her pretty dog gone close to her goal ?

[psyBorg]

Oh shit I turned pink!! why pink though, I hate pink

Hey Buzz, what's wrong with me bulking at 17% bf.. I thought anytime is a good time to bulk?

And my macro is pretty much as above, but I think in reality I'm not consuming any more than 30g of carbs a day, 50g being the set limit. For the sake of this thread I will calculate the exact macro so we can get over it already -I should have done so from the start haha- but what I can tell you for sure is that I am in ketosis.

Also I don't just eat any kind of fat. Everything in my diet is animal-based except coconut oil and milk. I avoid stuff like olive oil, avocado oil, canola oil, etc. So most of the fat I eat is the saturated kind.

Back in Black: Don't worry, I knew what I was doing all along. Or so I thought? because I don't know what you mean by "permanent damage". All the while I was under a doctor's supervision so I'm not worried much, but I'll check out the female forum to make sure. Thanks for your concern!

Emperor9, I know keto is generally for cutting, but that's the idea this little experiment will challenge, so we'll see if it's gonna work or not.

okay so now I have to figure out how to upload pics.. hmm

[psyBorg]

Pictures taken today, 07-02-14
Alright, tell me if the links work.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...0/841/dwlb.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320x240q90/35/cnj2.jpg

[Reiid13]

Pictures taken today, 07-02-14
Alright, tell me if the links work.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...0/841/dwlb.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320x240q90/35/cnj2.jpg

You can just 'attach picture' , instead of a link , then picture can be seen in thread

[psyBorg]

^^Thanks

[psyBorg]

Oh and BuzzardMarine, I just realised that I ignored one of your questions regarding the way I train twice! sorry about that.. so you're saying that I'm neglecting many body parts, right? Well my arms are involved in the compound movements I'm doing, so are my stabilizers(abs). So I don't think I'm neglecting any body part. No, I'm not isolating my calves and such, but I want the biggest gain for the work, and it seemed like basic exercises were the way to go if bulking fast was the goal.

Ok and I recalculated my macro correctly and it turns out I was overestimating my carb intake:

My real macro is 25g carb, 130g protein, and the rest is fat (174g fat for 2200 cal, 207g fat for 2500cal. Looks good?

I've been lubing my joints for 2 weeks now, I'll begin the real training this weekend!

See yall~

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Oh and BuzzardMarine, I just realised that I ignored one of your questions regarding the way I train twice! sorry about that.. so you're saying that I'm neglecting many body parts, right? Well my arms are involved in the compound movements I'm doing, so are my stabilizers(abs). So I don't think I'm neglecting any body part. No, I'm not isolating my calves and such, but I want the biggest gain for the work, and it seemed like basic exercises were the way to go if bulking fast was the goal.

Ok and I recalculated my macro correctly and it turns out I was overestimating my carb intake:

My real macro is 25g carb, 130g protein, and the rest is fat (174g fat for 2200 cal, 207g fat for 2500cal. Looks good?

I've been lubing my joints for 2 weeks now, I'll begin the real training this weekend!

See yall~

207 grams of fat = 9 x 207 = 1863 Calories

130 grams or protein = 130 x 4 = 520 Calories

25 grams of carbs = 25 x 4 = 100 Calories

TOTAL CALORIES . . . . . . . . = 2483


174 grams of fat = 9 x 174 = 1566 Calories

130 grams or protein = 130 x 4 = 520 Calories

25 grams of carbs = 25 x 4 = 100 Calories

TOTAL CALORIES . . . . . . . . = 2186

Looks like that should hit your goals So I can't wait to see what happens ? What is your weight when you have your BF% below 10%

[Bonaparte]

My apologies if I sound condescending (or old, which I'm not), but how does a 19 year old girl get into using testosterone and all this?
Were you exposed to steroids and bodybuilding growing up (dad, older brothers, etc)?

You certainly seem intelligent and it seems you've done some research, but I'm afraid you're getting in over your head here trying to push the envelope. Your new diet alone is a recipe for developing a plethora of medical conditions, and not just GI-related ones.
What I'm trying to say is that with proper guidance you could achieve better results without going nuts with the hormones and extreme diets.

[GirlyGymRat]

psyBorg! Read thru your thread and intriguing approach. U sound focused to achieve your goals and I hope you don't run off on us cuz their is so much interest

I have a lot of gi issues and see benefits to eliminating gluten. I would struggle with little to no fiber. Are you planning to supplement with a fiber substitute? Are you at all concerned about putting on unwanted fat then muscle? Where did you find a doctor who would prescribe test for 19 yo?

[Reiid13]

Your new diet alone is a recipe for developing a plethora of medical conditions, and not just GI-related ones.
What I'm trying to say is that with proper guidance you could achieve better results without going nuts with the hormones and extreme diets

Are you at all concerned about putting on unwanted fat then muscle? Where did you find a doctor who would prescribe test for 19 yo?

Just wondering , what are the benefits of this diet if there are any ?
And what would this diet do better than a normal clean , macro tracked diet ?

I can find info on this diet , but nothing that benefits more than just healthy eating

[psyBorg]

My apologies if I sound condescending (or old, which I'm not), but how does a 19 year old girl get into using testosterone and all this?
Were you exposed to steroids and bodybuilding growing up (dad, older brothers, etc)?

You certainly seem intelligent and it seems you've done some research, but I'm afraid you're getting in over your head here trying to push the envelope. Your new diet alone is a recipe for developing a plethora of medical conditions, and not just GI-related ones.
What I'm trying to say is that with proper guidance you could achieve better results without going nuts with the hormones and extreme diets.

I agree 19 yo girl + test + weird diet experiment= SUPER SKETCHY

I wasn't exposed to any of the things you mentioned, except maybe that my grandfather was lifting weight (but he died before I was born).

Some people would call what I do “bio hacking”. I hack my metabolism to transform my body in a methodical way… I have a goal other than bulking in life obviously and I find it necessary, in order to get closer to it, to explore the option of nutritional ketosis. I find it very nice of you to show concern for my health, but I'm too damn much into it right now for anything to change my mind, haha. I like to think that the consequences of this are probably not as big of a deal as people make it to be.

Besides, I'm not the first person ever to try this either. It has been done before, notably by a guy called The Bear on another part of the internet, and perhaps by entire populations in the past and even now in remote areas of the planet, who knows?

I don't.

So I'm being be the lab rat (;

[psyBorg]

psyBorg! Read thru your thread and intriguing approach. U sound focused to achieve your goals and I hope you don't run off on us cuz their is so much interest

I have a lot of gi issues and see benefits to eliminating gluten. I would struggle with little to no fiber. Are you planning to supplement with a fiber substitute? Are you at all concerned about putting on unwanted fat then muscle? Where did you find a doctor who would prescribe test for 19 yo?

Hey there GymRat, thank you for your interest!

I've been eating gluten all my life without knowing that it was destroying my body. The first time I went through a ketogenic diet was summer 2013. I ate a lot of low carb vegetables, as recommended by nearly everybody it seems, and I was always feeling like shit, as if my body never could adapt to that way of eating. However I noticed that I didn't have any allergic reaction after eating yogurt… then full fat cream… then eggs...! After a while reading up on nutrition I came to realise that by removing carbs from my diet I had removed all grains, thus eliminating gluten.
My belly became flat for the first time in years and it wasn't because of reduced body fat: my intestines had finally gotten a break from chronic inflammation I wasn't even aware was there all along. I've learnt that allergic reactions are mainly caused by a leaky gut. Basically my intestinal wall was so damaged that some proteins from food, and toxins could “escape” into the blood stream, where antibodies would be made, that would later on cause an immune reaction every time it met a trigger. I was allergic to so many nutritious foods since as long as I can recall, and one stupid molecule called gluten (ok and maybe many other cross-reactive molecules as well) was responsible for it!

So you can imagine how although I felt like shit on my first keto diet, it was a very eye-opening experience for me.

A few weeks ago from now I decided to try again, but dropped the veggies. To my surprise, on the second day my blood ketone level was already up to 0.5mmol. And after that it reached 3.5mmol quickly and I felt the burst in energy everybody talks about for the first time, which by the way, was all I was looking for when I tried keto the first time!

So I haven't eaten any vegetable since.

It's funny because if you look for it, you can and will always find some knowledgeable person contradict every single claim about nutrition that other "experts" emit. Some GI expert will recommend that you supplement with fibre, then some other expert will tell you that fibre is actually damaging for the GI tract in a way that's as convincing as the first expert... GI specialist Dr Natasha Campbell-Mcbride, well known for the GAPS diet, do not recommend fiber to GI patients, saying that vegetable fiber, especially raw, is very harsh on an already damaged lining of the gut. Dr Campbell recommends her autistic patients to slowly add only well-cooked vegetables to their diet. (BTW I’ve tried the gaps diet and I felt very low. It’s very hard to get enough calories from it). So you see opinions on fiber are way more diverse than what we commonly hear from the media.

But in general people who say it's an absolute necessity for us to eat vegetables are those same people who claim that red meat and dietary cholesterol will kill us, right? For me it's evident that saturated fat and cholesterol are very healthy, nutritious food. They are even essential for those who are sick and can't produce enough cholesterol on their own for some reasons. In fact, it has been observed that those with a higher blood cholesterol level live longer than those with lower blood cholesterol, which absolutely makes sense because it seems like cholesterol is needed to repair damaged cells or create new ones.

So I think my mind is conditioned enough to go against all convention and only eat in a way that makes sense to me.

Sorry for the too much info that will follow as someone who has suffered from GI issues for many years I can tell you that my stools have never been better. Obviously, since most of the stool is dead bacterial matter and fiber, I excrete way less than before, volume-wise.
Meat, especially raw red-meat, and fat don't produce much waste. All of them are easy to digest, highly bioavailable nutrients that get absorbed by the body.

The reason why I'm writing all this, is to tell you that we're kind of on the same boat with GI issues! Most people will not see diet from my standpoint (which you share with me, perhaps) because they are satisfied with how their body performs. Those who struggle live in a different reality.
Silly supplements will do nothing to boost a mediocre metabolism. I've slowly come to realise that if something needs to be fine-tuned in order to increase ones' performance (and by that I mean immune- and cognitive- wise, athletic performance, and all that) , it's not on a micro level (viatmins and minerals), nor macro level (proportion of carb, protein, and fat), rather we need to look at the very basic of basics of the bodies' mechanism.
You know these health articles that will tell you how much omega 3 there is in an egg or what exact chemicals you find in coffee? I find those are a waste of research, of words, of internet bandwidth. For me it's no longer about "getting my vit A from this, my fibre from that, and calcium and protein from there…". I think people need to realise that the most important aspect of "diet" is not about deconstructing each food item to identify each of those small unique molecules our body needs. It's about eating THE food items that are most compatible with our body's mechanism: energy dense, bioavailable, and complete.

Am I being delusional? Maybe.

But I know I have too much to gain from a fine-tuned diet not to invest my time into this experiment.

I'm even more motivated because of your post now because I hope we'll both learn something interesting during the months to come: is fiber just a hype or what? Also, this fiber thing is just the peak of the iceberg. This experiment means much more to me than that. It will confirm or disprove one hypothesis of mine about ketosis, catabolism and anabolism that I might share later on on this thread. So do not worry, I will keep updating unless I'm dead or something.

Gaining fat is not an issue for me at all, because I can cut later, although something about ketosis makes me think I will only gain muscle from this eating pattern, but we never know.

As for the testosterone hehe, it’s a secret I will not tell. :P

Stay tuned!

[psyBorg]

Just wondering , what are the benefits of this diet if there are any ?
And what would this diet do better than a normal clean , macro tracked diet ?

I can find info on this diet , but nothing that benefits more than just healthy eating

You will probably find more interesting info looking at the term "ketone bodies" than "ketogenic diet". There are very promising papers on the subject of ketone bodies, especially in the fields of neuroscience, and immunology.

I do what makes sense for me after a synthesis of all the knowledge I've gathered so far. I take the risk of believing that this diet actually is healthy, and I don't really need people to agree yet. Right or wrong, I guess the condition of my body will speak for itself!

[tarmyg]

Keto diet is healthy as long as you get about 30g+ fibers/day.

Thanks
~T

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[psyBorg]

^ well I'm not getting any~
I do plan on adding it back into my diet after those 3 months.

I'm wondering how come I can't edit my posts anymore since I turned pink. I don't see the edit button on my posts. Anyone?

[tarmyg]

Last time I did 0 fiber it took me about 5 days to get used to it and after that the visits to the bathroom subsided.

Thanks
~T

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[NaturalUN]

Damn that's a lot of fat in the diet & low carbs! Strange!! Not saying it won't work though, I know for a fact I couldn't eat that much fat without feeling terrible lol, that little carbs too! I eat that in a mouthful of pasta haha ://

[GirlyGymRat]

Psy. Odd just typing those three. Maybe try Borg then. LoL

Borg. I know u may get alot of questions. It's only bc members r concerned and curious....

Gluten free, when I stick with it, helps my GI tract substantially. I have also done raw veggy only and I landed in hospital. My gastro doc was don't @$"#%% do that! It was an experiment and yes I became sick. I don't do well with no fiber. It's just what we are willing and able to tolerate.

re Shutting down Menstruation. Ummm. This is really personal. At 19 I didn't want kids. I was in college/career focus but later found out I couldn't have kids. Something was taken away from me and i didn't take/do anything to cause my infertility. I rather like having more options not less. Sure a period is nasty esp for us physically active gals but its nothing to take lightly. I get the feeling u are prepared for the sides from test, even the body changes, hair, voice, breakout, physical change. Just consider the long term as well as the near term.

I like to follow your journey so subscribed!

[psyBorg]

thanks for letting me know tarmyg, I will be attentive

[GirlyGymRat]

Btw I have found some decent gluten free products...but they do have carbs and always expensive; definitely a treat.

[psyBorg]

Psy. Odd just typing those three. Maybe try Borg then. LoL

Borg. I know u may get alot of questions. It's only bc members r concerned and curious....

Gluten free, when I stick with it, helps my GI tract substantially. I have also done raw veggy only and I landed in hospital. My gastro doc was don't @$"#%% do that! It was an experiment and yes I became sick. I don't do well with no fiber. It's just what we are willing and able to tolerate.

re Shutting down Menstruation. Ummm. This is really personal. At 19 I didn't want kids. I was in college/career focus but later found out I couldn't have kids. Something was taken away from me and i didn't take/do anything to cause my infertility. I rather like having more options not less. Sure a period is nasty esp for us physically active gals but its nothing to take lightly. I get the feeling u are prepared for the sides from test, even the body changes, hair, voice, breakout, physical change. Just consider the long term as well as the near term.

I like to follow your journey so subscribed!

I know, all these questions were expected: it's a strange thing that I'm doing!

Ouch at raw veggies only! That ought to be the most unhealthy one after the 1 apple a day anorexic regime...

I'm sorry to hear about your infertility. It must have been a shock for you to learn something like that, when you haven't done a thing...
Doc said there is very little risk I will completely lose my fertility because of T.

Thanks for the sub!