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03-22-2014, 08:56 PM #1
How to cut on cycle questions - DIET
So I've recently changed my mind on how I'm gonna run my upcoming cycle. I was originally gonna run a lean bulk but decided I would rather cut. I've cut many times before off cycle and I've always been successful, but this will be the first time I've ever cut on cycle so I have a few questions. First some stats.
32yr old male
5'9
215lb's
~15%BF - (I've been on a carb cycle for the last couple of weeks and won't be starting my cycle until I hit ~12% - shouldn't take me longer than 6 more weeks)
Training - Many years
Cycle Exp. Exp running Test P and Mast P - also clen and T3
Goal - The only times I've ever got under 10%BF was natty and I was pretty small. I've got a good base now and I'd like to get below 10% - Pushing for 8%
Also - Here's the Cycle I'll be running
Test Prop - 200mg/EOD 8 weeks
NPP - 100mg/EOD 8 weeks
Var - 80mg/ED 8 weeks
Clen w/KETO - 3weeks ON - 2 weeks OFF - 3 weeks ON
Possible T3 80-100mcg/ED - 8weeks
Stane - 12.5-25mg/ED
HCG - 250iu 2x/wk
NAC - 1800mg/ED
Caber on hand
PCT - Nolva/Clomid
QUESTIONS
In the past when I've cut I've either used a standard 500 calorie deficit 40/40/20, Carb Cycle, IF, or a combination Carb Cycle/IF approach.
1. What has been your most successful dieting method for cutting on cycle?
2. We all know on cycle we can get away with a greater deficit without losing LBM - I know this is gonna be highly based on the individual but what do you believe is the greatest deficit a person can run on cycle without losing LBM or at least keeping it to a minimum? I'm mainly looking for a starting point and realize this will require tweaking once started.
3. Damn it. I had more but can't remember now. I'll ask them when I think of them.
Thanks guys.Last edited by slfmade; 03-23-2014 at 09:46 PM.
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03-23-2014, 03:44 PM #2
Let's try a bump for the day crowd!!!!
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03-23-2014, 04:02 PM #3
Looks like you have your cycle ironed out.
I will say this, if it ain't broke don't fix it!
I will let the pros chime in but if it worked before, it will work again!
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03-23-2014, 06:25 PM #4Associate Member
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I definitely wouldn't go over 500 , I tweak my protein up and lower carbs and fat intake. Is their a reason you are running Var EOD ?
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03-23-2014, 07:04 PM #5Banned
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If you're using keto with clen there's no need to cycle off of it. I don't personally like clen but love T3 so I'd include that before clen any day.
1) all my diets have been successful. It's not the diet that determines succes but the adherence to the few general guidelines/rules of nutrition. I've tried keto, carb cycling, IF, DCA/IIFYM, clean diets, dirty diets, you name it. I suggest NOT basing your macros off percentages of total calories as it can leave you deficient at times. Rather use these numbers based of BW and lbm:
PRO: 1g/lb LBM minimum
FAT: .3g/lb BW minimum
Remaining cals can be more protein, more fat, carbs, or whatever combo of all 3.
2) lbm will be lost during any cut, AAS or not. We simply attempt to minimize the loss. A 10% deficit is considered mild. 15-20% is moderate, and >20% is aggressive. The more aggressive the deficit the greater the possibility of losing LBM but the flip argument is you'd be dieting less. The deficit you run is dependent on you...can you handle extreme deficits mentally, can you maintain intensity with bigger deficits, are you prone to losing LBM faster on a greater deficit, etc. You could even try a PSMF-type diet and lose up to 2lbs of weight a week with relatively little muscle loss. It's up to you. Seeing your cycle i think you can get away with more moderate or aggressive deficit. I'd probably start around 15%.
3) when you remember it lol
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03-23-2014, 10:03 PM #6
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03-24-2014, 06:40 AM #7Banned
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Have not done UD2.0 on cycle. I was bulking on my cycle so I was eating everything in sight lol. Lyle has a great book about modified fasting diets. I have it on PDF. Just remember to adjust your training and cardio if you run an aggressive deficit. Too much is counter productive.
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03-24-2014, 10:25 AM #8
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03-24-2014, 10:27 AM #9Banned
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03-24-2014, 03:07 PM #10
I forgot to address this earlier.
I personally love clen , and have used it more times than I care to admit. It's a part of every cut and prime I've done over the last several years. I've also used Keto multiple times. That being said I'm not 100% sure that keto fully upregulates B2 receptors. The is most certainly due to my lack of understanding the difference between Receptor desensitization and Receptor downregulation.
All I know is that upon restart after 2 weeks off I feel sides again, but with continued use of keto and clen after a period of about 3 weeks, all sides are gone. From my experience keto seems to extend the amount of time I can be on by about 1 week before I need to take a break.
Please impart your wisdom upon me. LOL
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03-24-2014, 03:29 PM #11Banned
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This is AR-R 's post about keto:
A receptor's sensitivity has to do with the degree of activation or activity that receptor has. A receptor can become desensitized or sensitized. Regulation refers to the number of receptors per cell. Up-regulation or down-regulation.
How were you taking the clen and keto?
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03-24-2014, 03:44 PM #12
For the clen , I start at 40mcg and increase dose by 20mcg every 3 days until I hit 120mcg and stay there until end of 3 weeks.
For Keto - I use 1mg/ED from start to finish
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03-24-2014, 09:35 PM #13Banned
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03-24-2014, 09:48 PM #14
I come off because I stop experiencing any kind of sides after about 3 weeks. Sides include headaches, cramps, jitters. I actually run the keto full time until I'm completely done with clen ...even during my two weeks off just to make sure my B2R's are fully upregulated when I start back.
Or. I guess what I should really be asking is. Just because I'm no longer experiencing sides....does this mean my B2R's are downregulated and the clen is no longer working like it should....or does it simply mean that my body is used to it but the clen is still working like it should.
I don't want to think that just because I'm not feeling sides means that clen is no longer working. I know I'm not explaining this well.....Does that make any sense at all? lol
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03-24-2014, 09:54 PM #15Banned
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It could be your body tolerating it much better after the initial 2wks. Such as is the case with prami, after running it for a week or two my body gets used to it and the sides are less pronounced by far. With the use of keto I doubt you're experiencing down regulation, that's what it's supposed to be preventing in the first place.
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03-24-2014, 09:59 PM #16
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