Ramadan and intermittent fasting !

**sanho** · 06-29-2014, 06:28 AM

Hello Everyone,

Today is the 1st day of ramadan we can't eat food or drink fluids from sun up to sun down , and i am thinking of doing IF...all i know about IF that fasting for a period of time and smaller eating window, so is IF the same fasting that i'm doing now ?? and can i do cardio just before the eating window ??

So any thoughts , every ramadan i lose about 8 pounds

except last year i was on a cycle and gained 10 pounds,this year i will not run a cycle so i hope not to lose weight again.

**Shadeed** · 06-29-2014, 09:46 AM

in IF you can drink water all you want even during the fasting state but in Ramadan and during fasting you don't drink water.
i don't recommend you doing cardio before iftar, do your time in the gym either 1hour to 2hours after iftar (then you can have another 2 meals to go) or before se7our (in this case you will have around 2 nice meals in your body already).

**Times Roman** · 06-29-2014, 11:11 AM

I've lived in Afghanistan on a couple of occasions. Ramadan is tough. And for an entire month. What usually happens is a big meal with plenty of fluids right before sun up. And then again right at sundown. the expats cut a lot of slack to the locals there, and they only have to work a partial day. We are not allowed to eat or drink in front of the locals, trying to be respectful. But the locals that work for expats have it easy, compared to the locals that actually have to work hard for a living. They are out there in the sun working all day, like any other.

**DHew** · 06-29-2014, 01:04 PM

Ive been there a couple times myself. I had the most intense linguist ever. He would continue to adhere to the customs of Ramadan even though he was going on patrols during the day with us. I was impressed.

**Times Roman** · 06-29-2014, 02:26 PM

some of the muslims can be pretty intense.

part of it is fear of retribution amongst their own for getting too close to westerners. So some of them double down their efforts to maintain their customs/traditions/beliefs.

Personally, I would have a really hard time in the gym if I were muslim observing Ramadan.

But then again, there are not too many muslims there, that I've observed, that are as interested in their physiques as some westerners are. They are, after all, fairly spiritual......

**sanho** · 06-29-2014, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shadeed

in IF you can drink water all you want even during the fasting state but in Ramadan and during fasting you don't drink water.
i don't recommend you doing cardio before iftar, do your time in the gym either 1hour to 2hours after iftar (then you can have another 2 meals to go) or before se7our (in this case you will have around 2 nice meals in your body already).

I will cut cardio during this month ,and after iftar is a good idea.

**sanho** · 06-29-2014, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I've lived in Afghanistan on a couple of occasions. Ramadan is tough. And for an entire month. What usually happens is a big meal with plenty of fluids right before sun up. And then again right at sundown. the expats cut a lot of slack to the locals there, and they only have to work a partial day. We are not allowed to eat or drink in front of the locals, trying to be respectful. But the locals that work for expats have it easy, compared to the locals that actually have to work hard for a living. They are out there in the sun working all day, like any other.

The idea of working all the day in the sun and fasting is very harsh,may be in some cases a suicide

..i recall that alot of workers died in dubai during ramadan..a stupid question

...in your opinion did you find muslims in afghanistan radical ??

**Times Roman** · 06-29-2014, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by sanho

The idea of working all the day in the sun and fasting is very harsh,may be in some cases a suicide

..i recall that alot of workers died in dubai during ramadan..a stupid question

...in your opinion did you find muslims in afghanistan radical ??

in order to work for expats, the locals have a number of venues to do so. We pay multiples more than what the average worker can earn in most cases. There is housekeeping, security, and those that are educated and offer a variety of skills. In mostly all cases, they feel fortunate to have such a job, and are fairly positive in their dealings with expats.

I lived in Kabul, and many of the radicals as we think of them, actually come from Pakistan and Iran, two enemies of Afghanistan. These two countries support anarchy in Afghanistan, and are not representative of the Afghani population as a whole. Yes, there are "radicals" in Afghanistan that do not like Expats. However, we did manage to get rid of the Taliban for the most part (something many afghanis are silently grateful for) and we are infinitely better received than the Russians which invaded Afghanistan in the early 80's.

You have to understand the history of Afghanistan to understand the people. Back in the 70's, these people were fairly progressive with a substantial middle class. It was a beautiful society (as it has been explained to me by several different people that has lived there during that period). And then all hell broke loose with the Russian invasion.

There is a whole generation that remember 20 years of war. I think it is reasonable for me to assume that if that happened in my home country, I too would be hostile to those that do not belong there.

Make sense?

**sanho** · 06-29-2014, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

in order to work for expats, the locals have a number of venues to do so. We pay multiples more than what the average worker can earn in most cases. There is housekeeping, security, and those that are educated and offer a variety of skills. In mostly all cases, they feel fortunate to have such a job, and are fairly positive in their dealings with expats.

I lived in Kabul, and many of the radicals as we think of them, actually come from Pakistan and Iran, two enemies of Afghanistan. These two countries support anarchy in Afghanistan, and are not representative of the Afghani population as a whole. Yes, there are "radicals" in Afghanistan that do not like Expats. However, we did manage to get rid of the Taliban for the most part (something many afghanis are silently grateful for) and we are infinitely better received than the Russians which invaded Afghanistan in the early 80's.

You have to understand the history of Afghanistan to understand the people. Back in the 70's, these people were fairly progressive with a substantial middle class. It was a beautiful society (as it has been explained to me by several different people that has lived there during that period). And then all hell broke loose with the Russian invasion.

There is a whole generation that remember 20 years of war. I think it is reasonable for me to assume that if that happened in my home country, I too would be hostile to those that do not belong there.

Make sense?

yes i saw pictures from the 70's it was really beautiful,i wish egypt not follow this scenario..you are the first one that has been in afghanistan and give me a respected opinion (Y),thanks

**Times Roman** · 06-29-2014, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by sanho

yes i saw pictures from the 70's it was really beautiful,i wish egypt not follow this scenario..you are the first one that has been in afghanistan and give me a respected opinion (Y),thanks

did you see the movie or read the book "the kite runner"? at first I was reluctant, as it is an indie movie, but it was one of the featured movies on our compound on movie night, so I stayed to watch. it was quite good actually.

btw, it is difficult for americans in many cases, to be non judgemental of muslims due to all we know is media bias and political agendas. I had to actually live there to really appreciate the struggles and life in general for many muslims.

I'm always here if you care to chat.

Good luck mate!

---Roman

**austinite** · 06-29-2014, 09:34 PM

Are you a steroid user?

**sanho** · 06-30-2014, 03:02 AM

[QUOTE=Times Roman;6892359]did you see the movie or read the book "the kite runner"? at first I was reluctant, as it is an indie movie, but it was one of the featured movies on our compound on movie night, so I stayed to watch. it was quite good actually.

btw, it is difficult for americans in many cases, to be non judgemental of muslims due to all we know is media bias and political agendas. I had to actually live there to really appreciate the struggles and life in general for many muslims.

I'm always here if you care to chat.

Good luck mate!

---Roman

I have the book but i didn't read it yet,i will read it soon,it's an honor to chat with you

**sanho** · 06-30-2014, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Are you a steroid user?

Yes, why?

**austinite** · 06-30-2014, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by sanho

Yes, why?

Well, modifying the natural state of your body is considered blasphemous. Similar to tattoos and piercings. Just seeing if you're aware of that.

**sanho** · 06-30-2014, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Well, modifying the natural state of your body is considered blasphemous. Similar to tattoos and piercings. Just seeing if you're aware of that.

yes i am aware of that but i'm totally against it,I don't see it that way even the radicals salafis here are using steroids ,islam are not against modifying the natural state of body if it will improve your health or even for beauty ,ex:circumcision for men is prefered ,piercing for women is Permissible but for men yes muslims see haram as resemblance to women(culture-wise) ,for tattoos not mentioned in qur'an that it is forbidden but mentioned in Hadith literature(and alot of reports are proven to be wrong so it's not like quran however most of muslims believe tattoos is haram),even plastic surgery highly debatable..islam is flexible and muslims should take into account the time and the traditions of arab in that ERA and the context of the verses in quran...I know my words may be weird for You and i don't know anything about islam but the problem that regressive people dominates the area of Fatwa( legal opinion) and interpretation of quran and when a progressive people tries to prove or explain a point that contradict them they get killed or accused of heresy.and thanks for the advice