Fat Burners?

[Jcz85]

I just watched a Jay Cutler diet video and he said a lot of people take a fat burner when they are trying to lean out - not year round - but while they are trying to "lean out".

What is a good fat burner that will burn off minimal muscle.

A friend has used Ephedra in the past and had great results with it.

Anyone know of anything worth using on a high protein, minimal carbs (eating only required amount of carbs as per energy expenditure) diet?

[Trevtrev]

The basic ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin stack has always worked well for me.

[MuscleInk]

I just watched a Jay Cutler diet video and he said a lot of people take a fat burner when they are trying to lean out - not year round - but while they are trying to "lean out".

What is a good fat burner that will burn off minimal muscle.

A friend has used Ephedra in the past and had great results with it.

Anyone know of anything worth using on a high protein, minimal carbs (eating only required amount of carbs as per energy expenditure) diet?

Won't matter much if you are consuming an excess in calories.

[tarmyg]

I quote one of my favorite replies lately:

I have a revolutionary concept. It is known as diet and cardio for fat control. It is, however , top secret so I cant say much more than that.

[--->>405<<---]

Diet and cardio i agree. Oh and one other key ingredient: PATIENCE!!

[Jcz85]

Okay.

What would you say is the best/fastest way to do this:

1) Cut now, from 19% BF to 14% BF.

Then watch my carbs carefully and lean bulk.

Or

2) just continue eating only carbs needed for energy expenditure, low fats and trying to gain muscle, lose fat?

[--->>405<<---]

personally id cut first.

more important than watching carbs is watching total calories.

what are ur stats?

what is ur macro split gonna look like?

[Times Roman]

Diet and cardio i agree. Oh and one other key ingredient: PATIENCE!!

Patience?

Do you have a legit source for that....
....and can you take it orally, or do you have to inject it? =)

[Jcz85]

patience?

Do you have a legit source for that....
....and can you take it orally, or do you have to inject it? =)

hey no sarcasm pal against the rules!

[Jcz85]

personally id cut first.

more important than watching carbs is watching total calories.

what are ur stats?

what is ur macro split gonna look like?

6ft 185lbs. 18-19% BF.

I was going to have 300g protein/day, keep fats below 100g, eat carbs only as I need them. So 150-300g carbs depending if it's a training day and if I am working that day. But 300 g protein no matter what.

But I don't really want to cut this cycle. I want to lean bulk, I know I can, I've done it before naturally with success.

I am actually considering adding 30mg dbol to my cycle for 4 wks, since my test has done nothing so far, it's either weak or bunk and I don't want this cycle to be a complete waste. I realize it makes people bloat but I think that is because of shitty diet. I've read lower doses with a clean diet can produce great results.

[EquilibriumZ]

6ft 185lbs. 18-19% BF.

I was going to have 300g protein/day, keep fats below 100g, eat carbs only as I need them. So 150-300g carbs depending if it's a training day and if I am working that day. But 300 g protein no matter what.

But I don't really want to cut this cycle. I want to lean bulk, I know I can, I've done it before naturally with success.

I am actually considering adding 30mg dbol to my cycle for 4 wks, since my test has done nothing so far, it's either weak or bunk and I don't want this cycle to be a complete waste. I realize it makes people bloat but I think that is because of shitty diet. I've read lower doses with a clean diet can produce great results.

Imo too much bf to bulk.
And if ur test is bunk or weak, adding dbol will only make it worse. Get a bw and the mystery will be solved

[--->>405<<---]

6ft 185lbs. 18-19% BF.

I was going to have 300g protein/day, keep fats below 100g, eat carbs only as I need them. So 150-300g carbs depending if it's a training day and if I am working that day. But 300 g protein no matter what.

But I don't really want to cut this cycle. I want to lean bulk, I know I can, I've done it before naturally with success.

I am actually considering adding 30mg dbol to my cycle for 4 wks, since my test has done nothing so far, it's either weak or bunk and I don't want this cycle to be a complete waste. I realize it makes people bloat but I think that is because of shitty diet. I've read lower doses with a clean diet can produce great results.

IMO 300g protein is more than u need.
if u run 300p, 300c, 100f u will probably get fatter IMO.. no way around that.

220p
300c
60f

^^^ id start here and cut by gradually reduce carbs by 20-30g weekly and fat 5g every two.

at 6' 185lbs 20%bf u need to gain muscle and u need to lose fat. u can drop the fat faster and then focus on adding mass later.

i agree with the logic above if ur test is bunk, adding dbol isnt gonna help.

how about a pic?