finalizing Bulk Diet, need guidance...

[florestrainer2009]

morning gentleman, enclosed is my proposed Bulk Diet outline i have planned to follow to go along with my Cyc (Cyp,Dbol,Deca) n would greatly appreciate any suggestions, b it good or bad, 2 finalize it. stats r...
A-38
H-6'0
W-175lbs
BF-13%

Meal 1 (0500)
Pre-workout
whey protein 2sc: 220 calories, 50 g protein, 2 g carbs, 0 g fat
low fat milk 8oz: 122 calories, 8 g protein, 11 g carbs, 5 g fat
banana 1: 105 calories, 1 g protein, 27 g carbs, 0 g fat
alomnd naturally more pb 1tbsp: 90 calories, 4 g protein, 4 g carbs, 8 g fat
ezekiel bread 1: 80 calories, 4 g protein, 15 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 1 total: 607 calories - 67 g protein, 59 g carbs, 14 g fat

Meal 2 (0700)
Post-workout
Whey Protein 2sc, Waxy Maize 2sc

Meal 2 total: 520 calories - 50 g protein, 76 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 3 (0800)
whole eggs 3: 220 calories, 19 g protein, 1 g carbs, 15 g fat
egg whites 6: 103 calories, 22 g protein, 2 g carbs, 0 g fat
oats 1cup: 311 calories, 13 g protein, 54 g carbs, 5 g fat
banana 1: 121 calories, 2 g protein, 31 g carbs, 0 g fat
almond naturally more pb 1tbsp: 90 calories, 4 g protein, 4 g carbs, 8 g fat

Meal 3 total: 849 calories, 60 g protein, 91 g carbs, 28 g fat

Meal 4 (1100)
Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat
low fat Cottage cheese 1/2cup, 90 calories, 13 g protein, 6 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 4 total: 190 calories, 35 g protein, 6 g carbs, 2 g fat

Meal 5 (1400)
Hamburger patty, 579 calories, 66 g protein, 0 g carbs, 35 g fat
Microwaved red potato (2), 290 calories, 6 g protein, 68 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 5 total: 869 calories, 72 g protein, 68 g carbs, 35 g fat

Meal 6 (1700)
Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat
low fat Cottage cheese 1/2cup, 90 calories, 13 g protein, 6 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 6 total: 190 calories, 35 g protein, 6 g carbs, 2 g fat

Meal 7 (2000)
Low fat milk, 137 calories, 10 g protein, 14 g carbs, 5 g fat
Chicken breast, 6oz, 188 calories, 38 g protein, 0 g carbs, 2 g fat
Brown rice , 1 1/2 Cup, 324 calories, 8 g protein, 67 g carbs, 3 g fat
Vegetable, 20 calories, 1 g protein, 3 g carbs, 0 g fat
Cut vegetable salad, 50 calories, 3 g protein, 14 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 7 total: 719 calories, 60 g protein, 98 g carbs, 10 g fat

Meal 8 (2300)
low fat cottage cheese 1 cup: 180 calories, 26 g protein, 12 g carbs, 3 g fat
almond naturally more pb 2 tbsp: 180 calories, 8 g protein, 7 g carbs, 15 g fat
oats 1/2cup: 140 calories, 5 g protein, 26 g carbs, 3 g fat
almonds 20: 140 calories, 7 g protein, 6 g carbs, 19 g fat

Meal 8 total: 650 calories, 45 g protein, 52 g carbs, 41 g fat

Total consumption for an average day:
4,476 calories, 418(1672) g protein, 449(1796) g carbs, 112(1008) g fat

if u guys need anymore more info, ill b more than happy 2 provide. ill b waiting.....

[Back In Black]

What is your actual maintenance cals?

Cycle history? You have too many compounds for your stats.

[florestrainer2009]

aftrnoon buddy. 2450-2975= estimated daily calorie maintenance level at my current weight of 175lbs. ive dont about 6 Cycs, but none as detailed and well planned out as im headed 2 do. n y do i have too many compounds 4 my stats?

[tarmyg]

6 cycles an you weigh 175lb? Something is way off! What was you weight at the beginning of your Steroid journey?

[Deal Me In]

There will be several guys that come along that know way more than I do but that's way to much food. If you TDEE is let's say 2750, you there is no need to go over 3250 in cals. You're just going to get fat.

What BIB means is, and I'm not trying to be mean but after 6 cycles you are very small. At 6', 175 you need to focus on diet. Your old enough to cycle if you want but just stick with Test and focus on the diet.

[Times Roman]

morning gentleman, enclosed is my proposed Bulk Diet outline i have planned to follow to go along with my Cyc (Cyp,Dbol,Deca) n would greatly appreciate any suggestions, b it good or bad, 2 finalize it. stats r...
A-38
H-6'0
W-175lbs
BF-13%

Meal 1 (0500)
Pre-workout
whey protein 2sc: 220 calories, 50 g protein, 2 g carbs, 0 g fat
low fat milk 8oz: 122 calories, 8 g protein, 11 g carbs, 5 g fat
banana 1: 105 calories, 1 g protein, 27 g carbs, 0 g fat
alomnd naturally more pb 1tbsp: 90 calories, 4 g protein, 4 g carbs, 8 g fat
ezekiel bread 1: 80 calories, 4 g protein, 15 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 1 total: 607 calories - 67 g protein, 59 g carbs, 14 g fat

Meal 2 (0700)
Post-workout
Whey Protein 2sc, Waxy Maize 2sc

Meal 2 total: 520 calories - 50 g protein, 76 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 3 (0800)
whole eggs 3: 220 calories, 19 g protein, 1 g carbs, 15 g fat
egg whites 6: 103 calories, 22 g protein, 2 g carbs, 0 g fat
oats 1cup: 311 calories, 13 g protein, 54 g carbs, 5 g fat
banana 1: 121 calories, 2 g protein, 31 g carbs, 0 g fat
almond naturally more pb 1tbsp: 90 calories, 4 g protein, 4 g carbs, 8 g fat

Meal 3 total: 849 calories, 60 g protein, 91 g carbs, 28 g fat

Meal 4 (1100)
Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat
low fat Cottage cheese 1/2cup, 90 calories, 13 g protein, 6 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 4 total: 190 calories, 35 g protein, 6 g carbs, 2 g fat

Meal 5 (1400)
Hamburger patty, 579 calories, 66 g protein, 0 g carbs, 35 g fat
Microwaved red potato (2), 290 calories, 6 g protein, 68 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 5 total: 869 calories, 72 g protein, 68 g carbs, 35 g fat

Meal 6 (1700)
Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat
low fat Cottage cheese 1/2cup, 90 calories, 13 g protein, 6 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 6 total: 190 calories, 35 g protein, 6 g carbs, 2 g fat

Meal 7 (2000)
Low fat milk, 137 calories, 10 g protein, 14 g carbs, 5 g fat
Chicken breast, 6oz, 188 calories, 38 g protein, 0 g carbs, 2 g fat
Brown rice , 1 1/2 Cup, 324 calories, 8 g protein, 67 g carbs, 3 g fat
Vegetable, 20 calories, 1 g protein, 3 g carbs, 0 g fat
Cut vegetable salad, 50 calories, 3 g protein, 14 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 7 total: 719 calories, 60 g protein, 98 g carbs, 10 g fat

Meal 8 (2300)
low fat cottage cheese 1 cup: 180 calories, 26 g protein, 12 g carbs, 3 g fat
almond naturally more pb 2 tbsp: 180 calories, 8 g protein, 7 g carbs, 15 g fat
oats 1/2cup: 140 calories, 5 g protein, 26 g carbs, 3 g fat
almonds 20: 140 calories, 7 g protein, 6 g carbs, 19 g fat

Meal 8 total: 650 calories, 45 g protein, 52 g carbs, 41 g fat

Total consumption for an average day:
4,476 calories, 418(1672) g protein, 449(1796) g carbs, 112(1008) g fat

if u guys need anymore more info, ill b more than happy 2 provide. ill b waiting.....

I've crunched some numbers for you and put together a nutrition plan based on your TDEE + 1000 cals.

a couple of comments. your protein intake is through the roof unnecessarily. At most, you only need 230 grams. Any additional protein beyond this will end up in the toilet. No question about it. Which means, your "bulking" diet is not as robust as you think. and since protein = 4cals/gram, then this means 800 cals won't do a damn thing. So your effective calories are now down to 3,600. And since your TDEE is around 2,800, you are 800 cals above TDEE. If you do not understand this concept with protein, please ask. It's a rigorously discussed subject.

So this is 200 net cals higher than what you are currently considering. And since only 3,800 usable calories, then less force feeding:


Let me know if all of this makes sense
---Roman

[Khazima]

I've crunched some numbers for you and put together a nutrition plan based on your TDEE + 1000 cals.

a couple of comments. your protein intake is through the roof unnecessarily. At most, you only need 230 grams. Any additional protein beyond this will end up in the toilet. No question about it. Which means, your "bulking" diet is not as robust as you think. and since protein = 4cals/gram, then this means 800 cals won't do a damn thing. So your effective calories are now down to 3,600. And since your TDEE is around 2,800, you are 800 cals above TDEE. If you do not understand this concept with protein, please ask. It's a rigorously discussed subject.

So this is 200 net cals higher than what you are currently considering. And since only 3,800 usable calories, then less force feeding:


Let me know if all of this makes sense
---Roman

I don't think the excess protein actually gets wasted, it's gets turned into carbs via glucogenisis. I know this doesn't fit with the theories in the protein threads but they're just theories and it's already accepted fact that excess protein gets stored as carbs via glucogenisis and it'd take some serious evidence to change that.

[florestrainer2009]

aftrnoon gents n thank u all 4 ur advice n suggestions. i very well know, that aftr all the Cycs ive taken, i should b weighing more, but as its always been my case in the past, my diet has not been up to par, especially after n maintaining my gains. so therefore, all gains made during, would in time decrease n i would look as if i nvr did a Cyc. n it didnt help that i was heavily into recreational drugs n an alcoholic, but as i approach my 4yrs of sobriety, i plan 2 change n learn from my previous mistakes n not make them again! thats y its very important i get the Diet part right, cause if that isnt on check, nothing else will b so all ur help, b it negative or positive, will help. so Roman i perfectly understand what ur saying n that diagram makes perfect sense. so i would go ahead n cut back on the Protein, thus cutting 800 kcals, am i on the right track? so carbs n fats gr n calories r good as is?