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    best protien powder while on test cycle

    I have seen on the internet people saying that eating soy among other things can increase estrogen while on cycle, if so then my powder usual ON powder is no good because it has soy in it

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    Any protein powder made in a GMP certified facility that doesn't use nitrogen spiking ingredients is fine.

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    Try aim for pure whey straight after a workout and a micellar caesin based protein and hour before bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bignath4607 View Post
    Try aim for pure whey straight after a workout and a micellar caesin based protein and hour before bed

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    No need for that. You can take either protein at either time and results will be the same.
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    Does soy really cause more estrogen while on cycle?

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    No. And if you're taking an AI while on cycle like you probably need to it should be even less of a worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozer35 View Post
    No need for that. You can take either protein at either time and results will be the same.
    not necessarily, casein protein takes several hours to digest hence why it is good to take before bed to keep the body in an anabolic state. whey is digested almost instantly and for this reason perfect for post workout

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    Quote Originally Posted by monster-ish View Post
    not necessarily, casein protein takes several hours to digest hence why it is good to take before bed to keep the body in an anabolic state. whey is digested almost instantly and for this reason perfect for post workout
    Thats a bunch of bro science and not rooted in fact. There's also so many other factors you're ignoring that make this argument worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozer35 View Post
    Thats a bunch of bro science and not rooted in fact. There's also so many other factors you're ignoring that make this argument worthless.
    lol bro science?? no my friend it is science. and common sense if youre frequent in the gym. and what factors might those be? protein is protein either way but the speed at which is digested and absorbed into the system can be very different. and this is not what this thread is for anyway. op like stated above if you are on cycle and running an ai like you should you will be fine no need to worry about the estrogen caused by soy that is highly debated anyhow
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    Quote Originally Posted by monster-ish View Post
    lol bro science?? no my friend it is science. and common sense if youre frequent in the gym. and what factors might those be? protein is protein either way but the speed at which is digested and absorbed into the system can be very different. and this is not what this thread is for anyway. op like stated above if you are on cycle and running an ai like you should you will be fine no need to worry about the estrogen caused by soy that is highly debated anyhow
    I responded to somebody who brought it up and corrected him. I wasn't the one to bring it up.

    Factors like are you hypocaloric or hypercaloric? Pre-prandial or post-prandial? Do you train fasted or fed? Are you already getting a diverse source of orotein or only from 1 main source? Is whey or casein the only thing you're eating at those times or is there some fiber, carbs, and fat also? Etc etc etc.

    It is bro science. Complete and utter nonsense. Common sense isn't found in the gym often times. That's why you have idiots packing their protein powder in a ziploc bag so 6.3799274 seconds after the workout is finished they can rush in and get that protein for da gainzzzzzz.

    From the Borie et al. study:

    best protien powder while on test cycle-image.jpg

    ^^^ to quote Lyle McDonald:

    "So it’s not that whey gets into the system faster, it just spikes blood amino acid levels higher at the same time point (about an hour after consumption).


    ^^ can't post the link to reference that bc I don't have enough posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozer35 View Post
    I responded to somebody who brought it up and corrected him. I wasn't the one to bring it up.

    Factors like are you hypocaloric or hypercaloric? Pre-prandial or post-prandial? Do you train fasted or fed? Are you already getting a diverse source of orotein or only from 1 main source? Is whey or casein the only thing you're eating at those times or is there some fiber, carbs, and fat also? Etc etc etc.

    It is bro science. Complete and utter nonsense. Common sense isn't found in the gym often times. That's why you have idiots packing their protein powder in a ziploc bag so 6.3799274 seconds after the workout is finished they can rush in and get that protein for da gainzzzzzz.

    From the Borie et al. study:

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    ^^^ to quote Lyle McDonald:

    "So it’s not that whey gets into the system faster, it just spikes blood amino acid levels higher at the same time point (about an hour after consumption).


    ^^ can't post the link to reference that bc I don't have enough posts.
    very interesting thanks for posting is there a website I can read more about this topic?

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    Maybe this will help you guys solve this dilemma:

    Whey Protein - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by monster-ish View Post
    very interesting thanks for posting is there a website I can read more about this topic?
    It will block me from posting it bc I don't have enough posts. I tried linking the site in my post but couldn't.

    If you google Alan Aragon or Lyle McDonald you'll get to their respective sites and they have a ton of good articles supported by the most current research.

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    I genuinely believe that any company with enough money to mass-advertise their product has enough money to make a quality powdered-milk extract...



    Seriously, I get my whey powder from Wal-Mart. There's a specialized supplement store near my gym that sells a "better protein" for 10 dollars more.

    Guess which one I bought? lol.

    I'm also a Wal-Mart employee, so I get discounts for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monster-ish View Post
    not necessarily, casein protein takes several hours to digest hence why it is good to take before bed to keep the body in an anabolic state. whey is digested almost instantly and for this reason perfect for post workout
    It makes sense, but in reality, catabolism happens only after three days of no food...

    Though I'm not sure if same rule applies with people who lift heavy weights...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Maybe this will help you guys solve this dilemma:
    Examine is an excellent site! Can't even quote your post lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJim View Post
    I genuinely believe that any company with enough money to mass-advertise their product has enough money to make a quality powdered-milk extract...



    Seriously, I get my whey powder from Wal-Mart. There's a specialized supplement store near my gym that sells a "better protein" for 10 dollars more.

    Guess which one I bought? lol.

    I'm also a Wal-Mart employee, so I get discounts for that.
    So why was walmart forced to take certain protein powders off it's shelves bc they found out the protein claims on the label were false and that nitrogen spiking agents were used to help falsely prove the claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozer35 View Post
    Examine is an excellent site! Can't even quote your post lol
    You'll have more abilities once past 50 posts.
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    Does not matter.
    Anyway, I would not use soy protein.

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