Good Fat Or Bad Fat ?

[kenny3478]

Hi all

I have just read the tin on the Sardines I just ate it said 21g Protein 0.0g Carbs and 21.3g Fat Now is that fat good fat or BAD fat I washed out all the oil in the tin with water so there was just the fish in the tin.

I want to know if this is good fat if so I'm going to add this into my diet ?

Cheers

[novastepp]

Honestly, the jackass answer is... that it depends on your overall dietary approach.

To be honest, without knowing your diet, I would have to say that I personally think there are better sources of fats out there such as those from fish, nuts (including peanut butter), and other legumes.

However, if you're in a pinch and this is quick and easy and keeps you on track overall, then go ahead and rinse those little bastards and eat em.

[kenny3478]

Im offshore an limited to food 3 meals a day done by the cook so what ever gets put out we have to eat it I'm getting about 200g protein 60g fat and as much carbs as I like but I'm on low carb diet we have no peanut butter on the ship I have Brazil nuts but only enough for 27g fat a day so have eggs in morning.

Weight 198lb
19.7% BF
5"11

I'm trying to get BF% down to 15% so that's why I asked about these Sardines as I found a load of them in the pantry and the Chef said I can help my self just wanted to know if they are ok to eat before I wreck my diet with them I'm new to all this dieting so that's why I ask a lot of questions try get some knowledge from here.

[novastepp]

Sounds like it is going to be difficult to change much, so I say enjoy them! How's the rest of your diet look?

[kenny3478]

Yeah It's ok I'm managing with what we get out here I also thought with the sardines it will also give me an extra 20.1g protein a day as well.

But all in all it's going well I'm losing weight which is what I'm doing and my BF going down.

I was just worried about my fat intake with only been on 30-50g carbs a day.

[GirlyGymRat]

Yeah It's ok I'm managing with what we get out here I also thought with the sardines it will also give me an extra 20.1g protein a day as well. But all in all it's going well I'm losing weight which is what I'm doing and my BF going down. I was just worried about my fat intake with only been on 30-50g carbs a day.

Body uses both fat and carbs for fuel. The worst combo is high fat and high carbs and low protein.

[kenny3478]

Cheers I'm managing to hit about 200g Protein 60-70g Fat and I'm on 30-50g Carbs I'm more around the 30g mark for carbs it's hard work training feeling weaker than normal but need my BF down so sticking with it just have to work harder at my training.

[GirlyGymRat]

Cheers I'm managing to hit about 200g Protein 60-70g Fat and I'm on 30-50g Carbs I'm more around the 30g mark for carbs it's hard work training feeling weaker than normal but need my BF down so sticking with it just have to work harder at my training.

30 g is very difficult. I get lift headed when I lift. I see stars sometimes at the end of the workout. Esp legs. Personally I think 30 is inadequate for an athletes.

[novastepp]

30 g is very difficult. I get lift headed when I lift. I see stars sometimes at the end of the workout. Esp legs. Personally I think 30 is inadequate for an athletes.

I completely agree. I do subscribe to, and promote, pro/carb dieting for bulking and cutting, but if you are going to work a pro/fat diet it can be done with success for sure. That being said, 30g of carbs will not sustain any type of performance in the gym.

[kenny3478]

Im no Athlete that's for sure, what would you recommend as been the lowest to go down to with the carbs I was on about 120g before starting this I got it from the Keto diet and your right when I was doing legs yesterday after each set I felt totally done in and a bit dizzy which is not like me normally.

Any recommendations what to have my carbs set at I'm trying to lose BF and I'm stores get it around my belly area it's going down but shit it feels like a life time to go down.

[novastepp]

Im no Athlete that's for sure, what would you recommend as been the lowest to go down to with the carbs I was on about 120g before starting this I got it from the Keto diet and your right when I was doing legs yesterday after each set I felt totally done in and a bit dizzy which is not like me normally. Any recommendations what to have my carbs set at I'm trying to lose BF and I'm stores get it around my belly area it's going down but shit it feels like a life time to go down.

That lifetime of work feel is called dedication, get used to it.

When I would truly cut, I was hungry nearly all the time, talk about your mood buster!

If you're going to work within the confines of a keto diet, I suggest limiting carbs severely for at least a week for the real fat loss to begin. However, if you're feeling like crap, then it may be time for a change.

That being said, if you are seeing results then don't quit, work harder! You're already doing it!

[tarmyg]

Zero carbs without calorie restriction until Keto hits and then start restricting calories. I have no idea why people think they need carbs for energy? If you are in true Keto and not restricting calories, there is absolutely no reason you should have a lack of energy. I mean, we just had a guy and his wife kayaking from SoCal to Hawaii on a Keto diet to prove a point, and he did.

[novastepp]

Zero carbs without calorie restriction until Keto hits and then start restricting calories. I have no idea why people think they need carbs for energy? If you are in true Keto and not restricting calories, there is absolutely no reason you should have a lack of energy. I mean, we just had a guy and his wife kayaking from SoCal to Hawaii on a Keto diet to prove a point, and he did.

Carbohydrates are the preferred energy source for the nervous system. Even in ketosis, the body utilizes fats by converting them into glucose for the nervous system.

For cutting fat, I prefer carbohydrates because of the scientific proof that consistently moderate blood sugar levels provided by carbohydrate consumption and moderate activity produce a rather consistent fat burning effect even when daily caloric consumption is at or slightly above the basal metabolic need.

Emotionally as well, athletes can appreciate the benefits of the pro/carb diet rather than the, many times, negative mood occurring alongside a keto diet. I believe many suffer due to calorie restriction in ketosis; kind of sounds like many of the entries in your log. It doesn't need to be that way, join us on the carb side!

It isn't that a keto diet doesn't work, it is that many can easily benefit from other dietary practices with great success, as well.

[GirlyGymRat]

Carbohydrates are the preferred energy source for the nervous system. Even in ketosis, the body utilizes fats by converting them into glucose for the nervous system. For cutting fat, I prefer carbohydrates because of the scientific proof that consistently moderate blood sugar levels provided by carbohydrate consumption and moderate activity produce a rather consistent fat burning effect even when daily caloric consumption is at or slightly above the basal metabolic need. Emotionally as well, athletes can appreciate the benefits of the pro/carb diet rather than the, many times, negative mood occurring alongside a keto diet. I believe many suffer due to calorie restriction in ketosis; kind of sounds like many of the entries in your log. It doesn't need to be that way, join us on the carb side! It isn't that a keto diet doesn't work, it is that many can easily benefit from other dietary practices with great success, as well.

OP. I hope u don't mind my interruption.

Would u recommend the same for someone pre diabetic controlled thru prescription meds (me) ? Generational diabetes. Everyone on one side of the family has it.....for at least 4 that I can prove with blood tests.

I run higher fat and lower carb with majority of diet from protein about 40-45% on most days.

Are u always a proponent of more carbs or do u have exceptions?

[novastepp]

OP. I hope u don't mind my interruption. Would u recommend the same for someone pre diabetic controlled thru prescription meds (me) ? Generational diabetes. Everyone on one side of the family has it.....for at least 4 that I can prove with blood tests. I run higher fat and lower carb with majority of diet from protein about 40-45% on most days. Are u always a proponent of more carbs or do u have exceptions?

I absolutes understand the need for exceptions. And I am giving general advice that is tried and true, but I am not a physician. I am not licensed to address a diagnosed medical condition and I hope you realize I am not trying to.

However, the use of potatoes as the preferred carb source has been shown to help increase insulin sensitivity, and is proven with research. I believe the recommended potato was a sweet potato/yam, which I realize is not entirely synonymous depending where you live, with red potatoes as a substitute. I would be very interested in someone like you trying this diet. I believe it would work as long as insulin or insulin-like medications are not the prescribed meds you are mentioning. We could start a new thread and discuss this option if you were actually considering it. I don't know if you were interested or just calling me out for supporting a specific diet plan. I know that any one method will not suit all, and I am fully supportive of all dietary pursuits. It is the personal commitment and dedication that I love and I will support anyone on that journey.

Namaste

-nOva

[GirlyGymRat]

I absolutes understand the need for exceptions. And I am giving general advice that is tried and true, but I am not a physician. I am not licensed to address a diagnosed medical condition and I hope you realize I am not trying to. However, the use of potatoes as the preferred carb source has been shown to help increase insulin sensitivity, and is proven with research. I believe the recommended potato was a sweet potato/yam, which I realize is not entirely synonymous depending where you live, with red potatoes as a substitute. I would be very interested in someone like you trying this diet. I believe it would work as long as insulin or insulin-like medications are not the prescribed meds you are mentioning. We could start a new thread and discuss this option if you were actually considering it. I don't know if you were interested or just calling me out for supporting a specific diet plan. I know that any one method will not suit all, and I am fully supportive of all dietary pursuits. It is the personal commitment and dedication that I love and I will support anyone on that journey. Namaste -nOva

Thx for the reply....understood you not MD and I am not calling u out!

I sweet potatoes and yams. That's the only complex carb eat around workouts. Other then that, lots of fibrous veggies.

I'll read the sticky in later this year and if your are still around then, I may take u up on your offer.

Carry on.

[SEOINAGE]

I find it hard to believe your fat content is that low eating food the cook makes. Look into it further. 200g with that low of fat is extremely lean meat. Also at 20g p to 20g f I doubt it is going to be in your favor to consume them.