Short Term Keto?

[ianb1]

Hey everyone,

recently I have made a substantial change to my diet. Was basically in a starvation state for a few months, felt like shit at the gym etc. Started macroing, 40carbs/ 40 protein/ 20 fats, weight is increasing rapidly. For the most part my diet is clean. Carbs that I eat come mostly from either apples or oats in the morning, or brown rice throughout the day. I think my body is reacting to the influx of carbs I have been giving it by storing more fat, since I just basically came out of starvation state.

Would a keto diet be worth a try for a while? Still wanting to cut, the carbs I am feeding myself are having a negative effect, so definitely going to at least lower the carb intake. Never tried keto, I feel great eating all these carbs, but definitely can tell the carbs are making me store more fat.

Thoughts?

[numbere]

How about some stats and your level experience?

[ChuckStarchaser]

Since I discovered the keto diet, I've been recommending it to friends and acquaintances, and after some of them got lean there was an explosion, a wildfire of friends of friends going ketogenic, and losing great amounts of fat. About 2 dozen people alltogether. However, most of them, all but one, were not into bodybuilding. My only bodybuilding friend that adopted keto also lost a lot of fat; went from 230 lb to 130 lb over two years, and never gained back an ounce of the fat, that I can tell; but he paid a price in having little or no muscle gains for the two years, in spite of doing a lot of gym work. Well, he would not even consider using steroids; against his religion I suppose. But once he was satisfied with his leanness and reintroduced carbs, his muscles started to grow, and I haven't seen him in many months now (since I left the band in bad terms, long story), but the last time I saw him he was still very lean --skinny almost-- and starting to have decent guns.
The only person I know for whom the keto diet has not worked is yours truly. But I was lean all my life, and very slowly gained an unwanted 20 lb during my late 40's and 50's; and they say hard gainers are hard losers.
In the keto diet you can expect to lose 10 lb in the first two weeks, but that's water elimination, as glycogen is water-soluble, and if you go into strict keto you can expect to deplete your glycogen over a period of 2 weeks, give or take a week. After that, the rate of fat loss you can expect is about a pound per week.
Often people say they tried keto, but didn't really. Keto diet requires that you eat a lot of fats; --nut just cut carbs--; so you have to gobble coconut oil by the tablespoons, drink olive oil, eat avocados and macadamia nuts like there's no tomorrow. I'm speaking only of vegetable sources b/c I'm vegetarian. On a meaty diet it's a lot easier to get lots of fat. Plus a couple of Omega 3 capsules per day. But it is best to avoid poly-unsaturates. They serve no purpose, really; contrary to what the health agencies would tell you. So, easy on the light vegetable oils. Mono- are okay. Saturated fats, --e.g. coconut oil, are the most useful. (Our bodies can introduce unsaturations in saturated fats, if needed; but cannot remove unsaturations (we have no hydrogenation mechanisms). And forget about cholesterol make-believes. HDL and LDL are not, I repeat NOT, types of cholesterol; they are lipo-proteins, which are like containers used for transporting fats in the blood. So, starting from that you can draw your own conclusion how much disinformation we're being fed. Cholesterol is the main ingredient in myelin, the insulation in nerves; it is the precursor of all our sexual hormones, starting from progesterone; it is used by the immune system to suffocate certain pathogens... Many uses. Cholesterol is precious. And its presence in sclerotic plaques is the consequence of artherosclerosis; not the cause. Cholesterol is wrongly blamed. Saying all this because in keto you need a lot of saturated fats, and a lot of eggs; but people often jump when I tell them... "oh! but what about cholesterol?!" ...
Anyways, hope it helps.

[FONZY007]

Since I discovered the keto diet, I've been recommending it to friends and acquaintances, and after some of them got lean there was an explosion, a wildfire of friends of friends going ketogenic, and losing great amounts of fat. About 2 dozen people alltogether. However, most of them, all but one, were not into bodybuilding. My only bodybuilding friend that adopted keto also lost a lot of fat; went from 230 lb to 130 lb over two years, and never gained back an ounce of the fat, that I can tell; but he paid a price in having little or no muscle gains for the two years, in spite of doing a lot of gym work. Well, he would not even consider using steroids; against his religion I suppose. But once he was satisfied with his leanness and reintroduced carbs, his muscles started to grow, and I haven't seen him in many months now (since I left the band in bad terms, long story), but the last time I saw him he was still very lean --skinny almost-- and starting to have decent guns.
The only person I know for whom the keto diet has not worked is yours truly. But I was lean all my life, and very slowly gained an unwanted 20 lb during my late 40's and 50's; and they say hard gainers are hard losers.
In the keto diet you can expect to lose 10 lb in the first two weeks, but that's water elimination, as glycogen is water-soluble, and if you go into strict keto you can expect to deplete your glycogen over a period of 2 weeks, give or take a week. After that, the rate of fat loss you can expect is about a pound per week.
Often people say they tried keto, but didn't really. Keto diet requires that you eat a lot of fats; --nut just cut carbs--; so you have to gobble coconut oil by the tablespoons, drink olive oil, eat avocados and macadamia nuts like there's no tomorrow. I'm speaking only of vegetable sources b/c I'm vegetarian. On a meaty diet it's a lot easier to get lots of fat. Plus a couple of Omega 3 capsules per day. But it is best to avoid poly-unsaturates. They serve no purpose, really; contrary to what the health agencies would tell you. So, easy on the light vegetable oils. Mono- are okay. Saturated fats, --e.g. coconut oil, are the most useful. (Our bodies can introduce unsaturations in saturated fats, if needed; but cannot remove unsaturations (we have no hydrogenation mechanisms). And forget about cholesterol make-believes. HDL and LDL are not, I repeat NOT, types of cholesterol; they are lipo-proteins, which are like containers used for transporting fats in the blood. So, starting from that you can draw your own conclusion how much disinformation we're being fed. Cholesterol is the main ingredient in myelin, the insulation in nerves; it is the precursor of all our sexual hormones, starting from progesterone; it is used by the immune system to suffocate certain pathogens... Many uses. Cholesterol is precious. And its presence in sclerotic plaques is the consequence of artherosclerosis; not the cause. Cholesterol is wrongly blamed. Saying all this because in keto you need a lot of saturated fats, and a lot of eggs; but people often jump when I tell them... "oh! but what about cholesterol?!" ...
Anyways, hope it helps.

Sorry to high jack, would you say keto very similar to anabolic diet?