How many cals to drop 4% bf and lean bulk after

[Riskz11]

My age 22
Height 5 10
Weight 80kg
LBM: 68kg
Bf 13.8

My tdee is 3100 should I be eating 500 calories under or more to loose around 4% body fat ? And I also want to try and lean bulk

[Gallowmere]

500 under is a good place to start. No matter what, you'll have to make adjustments based upon how things progress.

Bulking can be even more loopy. Using myself as an example: I maintain at around 2700 per day, at a bodyweight of 163. As soon as I start adding surplus kcals in the form of carbs, I can't fucking sit still. This leads to a need for further increases to keep the scale ticking upward.

Essentially, just take your baseline, add 250-350 per day, see how things go for a couple of weeks, then move up or down from there.