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    Carb Cycle for Cut 4 weeks prior to Comp

    Right now I am basically cutting for a competition, so far 4 weeks left. Down to about 200# 5% BF and am now carb cycling on/off. On carb I do 150g roughly, then next day 20g (from veggies only) and then repeat. I eat carb sunday and monday back to back otherwise no carb EOD. From what I've researched it seems carb cycling works better when you do 3 days on 3 days off then refeed. What's you guys thoughts? Is the EOD carb method good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    Right now I am basically cutting for a competition, so far 4 weeks left. Down to about 200# 5% BF and am now carb cycling on/off. On carb I do 150g roughly, then next day 20g (from veggies only) and then repeat. I eat carb sunday and monday back to back otherwise no carb EOD. From what I've researched it seems carb cycling works better when you do 3 days on 3 days off then refeed. What's you guys thoughts? Is the EOD carb method good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Post a pic. I have not seen 5% before.


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    You've never seen a single body builder in the world go on stage? Look at my avatar, he's sub 5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    You've never seen a single body builder in the world go on stage? Look at my avatar, he's sub 5%
    To me that is not sub 5%. To each his own I guess. It has been saidthat the top bodybuilder is 3-5%. I do not see that low.
    I see that sub 5 is at the dangerous levels.


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    It is dangerous for sure. Not a place to live at. Anyway this is all completely irrelevant. Even if I was 300% BF the question remains is carb cycle EOD beneficial, or do I need to run it 3 days on 3 days off then refeed?

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    Nobody has any input?

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    Charger just stepped on stage a few months ago so hopefully he will chime back in

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    The amount of carbs on your low days seems too low. I think you may start to get a little flat. When I carb cycle I have one HIGH day which is on leg day, then I have medium days and then on Cardio only days I have my LOW days which is twice a week. 3 on vs 3 off, I just cycle dependent upon my workout routine and it works itself out. As long as you keep the body in Flux it doesn't matter.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK View Post
    The amount of carbs on your low days seems too low. I think you may start to get a little flat. When I carb cycle I have one HIGH day which is on leg day, then I have medium days and then on Cardio only days I have my LOW days which is twice a week. 3 on vs 3 off, I just cycle dependent upon my workout routine and it works itself out. As long as you keep the body in Flux it doesn't matter.......

    Low carb day makes me very flat cant even get a vein to pop in my leg if I took pre workout!! Lol.

    Right now I do HIIT cardio 45min fasted first thing with caffeine pill. Then I go to work. After that I git the gym for 1 hour hard, I try 20 sets of a muscle group and I focus on a progressive style overload. Immediately following I do 40 min on treadmill heart rate about 110 so fat burn style. I train 6 days a week, fasted cardio 6 days and 6 days a week cardio after training.

    I am not sure how I'd carb cycle with this style workout. This my first time ever doing a cut so I am pretty unfamiliar

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    Are you currently on gear? I'd be worried with that amount of cardio it is really unneeded at this point if you were truly 5%, plus you will lose a good amount of muscle. If you have 4 weeks left and at sub 5%, everything should be showing, and I mean everything, at that level the fat pads on your feet might be going and it may hurt to walk.

    If you are truly at that body fat percentage you would do some water deload and you should be good. Sounds like way too much cardio that far off. Its hard to say without photos. What does your coach say??

    If you don't have a coach and you would like a top level one let me know via PM. He deals with alot of Olympians now and he himself won on a national level in natural divisions for years so his diets are perfect.

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    Everyone is different. I usually go high, medium, low and repeat. I am very carb sensitive so I need to be careful with my carb intake or I gain weight. I do cardio all days.
    45 minutes HIIT alone, much less with low carbs is insane.
    Try upping your intensity and lowering your time. What is your HR while doing HIIT?
    Once again, everyone is different but 45 minutes of cardio (LI) was impeding the advancement of my legs. I changed to 20 minutes of HIIT and my legs started growing more.
    I hope to hell that you are on cycle or you are losing a shitload of muscle. Naturally, it is difficult to get below 8%.
    Once again, if you really are below 5%, then you are in the danger zone and should have a real professional help you. I am curious and would like to see a pic.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK View Post
    Are you currently on gear? I'd be worried with that amount of cardio it is really unneeded at this point if you were truly 5%, plus you will lose a good amount of muscle. If you have 4 weeks left and at sub 5%, everything should be showing, and I mean everything, at that level the fat pads on your feet might be going and it may hurt to walk.

    If you are truly at that body fat percentage you would do some water deload and you should be good. Sounds like way too much cardio that far off. Its hard to say without photos. What does your coach say??

    If you don't have a coach and you would like a top level one let me know via PM. He deals with alot of Olympians now and he himself won on a national level in natural divisions for years so his diets are perfect.
    The bf is taken from caliper measurement. Realistically I'd say 7-8%. It was taken with real calipers in 10 different locations and entered into a program to calculate. I do have a coach just not sure at this point its what my body needs... I feel great but am afraid now I am going to burn muscle off with even more cardio than when I was 15% bf. I have lost about 30 pounds in 10 weeks.

    I am on alot of gear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Everyone is different. I usually go high, medium, low and repeat. I am very carb sensitive so I need to be careful with my carb intake or I gain weight. I do cardio all days.
    45 minutes HIIT alone, much less with low carbs is insane.
    Try upping your intensity and lowering your time. What is your HR while doing HIIT?
    Once again, everyone is different but 45 minutes of cardio (LI) was impeding the advancement of my legs. I changed to 20 minutes of HIIT and my legs started growing more.
    I hope to hell that you are on cycle or you are losing a shitload of muscle. Naturally, it is difficult to get below 8%.
    Once again, if you really are below 5%, then you are in the danger zone and should have a real professional help you. I am curious and would like to see a pic.




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    See above quote I responded too. I will try and get a photo today but I will probably be flat as a pancake with no carb today so it'll look shit.

    I feel I am at the point where I could cut water and be good enough.

    My heart rate during fasted cardio is about 120. Bounces from 110 to 135.

    At night my heart rate is 115ish on steady treadmill for 45min.

    I did the food app I am at 1700 calories no carb day and 2300 carb day. Fuck that seems low
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    You need a new coach............someone that knows what he is doing. alot of self proclaimed "coaches" who have not won shit, maybe some local stuff and have no big time clients that win either........

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK View Post
    You need a new coach............someone that knows what he is doing. alot of self proclaimed "coaches" who have not won shit, maybe some local stuff and have no big time clients that win either........
    After 30 minutes of googling and clicking every article it seems the approach given to me is nothing like the others... It seems everyone runs a high, mid, low style cycle and even their low days have nearly 100g. 3x a week I eat 20g carbs and the other 4 days I eat 150g... Could this be why I am beyond starving at all times?

    I apologize I am pretty new to the shred. I bulked for 6 years before doing this... And hired a coach to help me cut but it seems maybe he's not that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Post a pic. I have not seen 5% before.


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    https://imgur.com/a/rkaZOhQ

    After full day of meals. Would most likely look leaner in the AM. I am very lean though as mention probably 7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    After 30 minutes of googling and clicking every article it seems the approach given to me is nothing like the others... It seems everyone runs a high, mid, low style cycle and even their low days have nearly 100g. 3x a week I eat 20g carbs and the other 4 days I eat 150g... Could this be why I am beyond starving at all times?

    I apologize I am pretty new to the shred. I bulked for 6 years before doing this... And hired a coach to help me cut but it seems maybe he's not that good.
    A proper diet and you should not be starving. The carbs are the difference for me. I need to be careful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    After 30 minutes of googling and clicking every article it seems the approach given to me is nothing like the others... It seems everyone runs a high, mid, low style cycle and even their low days have nearly 100g. 3x a week I eat 20g carbs and the other 4 days I eat 150g... Could this be why I am beyond starving at all times?

    I apologize I am pretty new to the shred. I bulked for 6 years before doing this... And hired a coach to help me cut but it seems maybe he's not that good.
    If you would like a guaranteed lock of a coach let me know.

    My carbs are:

    Low: 147
    Medium: 182
    High: 257

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK View Post
    If you would like a guaranteed lock of a coach let me know.

    My carbs are:

    Low: 147
    Medium: 182
    High: 257
    Appreciate the insight. Do you mind sharing your height and weight?

    The numbers you listed are roughly what I was going to change to. I am interested in a new coach, but I am almost finished with this final stretch. After this I will consider it... However, need to recoop money after this run, so damn pricey this go around with the gear and coach.

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    I am 6’4 216lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    https://imgur.com/a/rkaZOhQ

    After full day of meals. Would most likely look leaner in the AM. I am very lean though as mention probably 7%

    Don't want to take away from your accomplishments but from that pic it looks like 8-9% BF just FYi. But rest of frame would paint a bigger picture.

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    Yea as I said 7-8% realistically. Calipers say 5.5%, not those cheap shit plastic calipers either. However, I never believe it but it's what I have to work with. It's hard to get a full photo without giving away too much... Just me being careful is all. From what I understand... the last few percent is basically water weight anyway, is there some truth to that? I know I can shred more fat, but it seems like there's more water than fat right now.

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    Also, about 21 days today from the day I need to be ready. I am 6'1 about 198# right now. Was told to eat M/W/F/Sun - 171g Carb, 87g Fat, 250g Protein (2400 calories). Tues/Thurs/Saturday - 21g Carb, 78g Fat, 227g Protein (1700 calories). I am doing 45 minutes HIIT cardio fasted 6x a week. Workout 6x a week, and low intensity (110 heart rate) 45 minute treadmill.

    I need solid advice how to continue these next 3 weeks. I don't believe I am on the right track and I feel like I am mislead... Anyone have solid advice beside get a new coach, I get that part of it lol. I really want to make sure I finish these 3 weeks strong.

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    Up your carbs and cycle them. You are doing plenty of cardio u will not gain any fat.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK View Post
    Up your carbs and cycle them. You are doing plenty of cardio u will not gain any fat.....
    Thanks, will do.

    I switched them to rotate 3 days. M/W/F 250g carbs. T/Thurs 180g carbs and Sat/Sunday 105g carbs. Let's see how it goes.

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