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    Thumbs up Interesting Question regarding deficit & maintenance ..

    Hi guys .. I have a lil something popping up my mind so the question is to anyone and everyone who participated into this thread and especially >>405<<

    Ok so diet is going just fine, you already know am super lean now and dont especially need to lose any more weight but could do with being extra leaner if you feel me.

    The theory: Could I be on day 1 at 600 deficit (as mentioned earlier) and day 2 just at maintenance - meaning being at "0" or slightly and I mean a slight deficit like -50 be a good approach to get super extra lean and yet retaining the maximum lean mass ?

    Keep in mind: The last meal - at 9pm - taking me from -600 to "0" deficit on day 2 would be 100Gr of Oats + 1 scoop of Whey mixed together with some water + lin seed (these seed lower the IG as you all know), in microwave 5mins to obtain a nice sweet "like cake" substance with a very small (30Gr) scoop of honey spread on top.

    So this way in practice it would be: day 1, day 2, day 1, day 2 and so on ..

    Your thoughts guys Cheers in advance and a "like" for each answer given in of course

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    When I cut, and I am about a month out from doing just that, I generally look at it on a weekly deficit. If I, at the end of the week, end up within the deficit I had in mind I am satisfied and it also seems to work, at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    When I cut, and I am about a month out from doing just that, I generally look at it on a weekly deficit. If I, at the end of the week, end up within the deficit I had in mind I am satisfied and it also seems to work, at least for me.
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    I am really looking for different feedbacks on this one ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    When I cut, and I am about a month out from doing just that, I generally look at it on a weekly deficit. If I, at the end of the week, end up within the deficit I had in mind I am satisfied and it also seems to work, at least for me.
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    Calorie deficits are frequently measured weekly. You essentially are doing ~300 cal deficit that way.
    I personally use diet breaks. Cal deficit for X weeks, then cal maintenance for Y weeks (usually X=Y=2) so to not let my body adjust to the calorie deficit (reset metabolism). Which is what I believe you are aiming for.

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    I design diets with a focus on an 'hourly basis' , 'daily basis' and 'weekly basis'. all three matter. and as has been mentioned where you end up at the end of the week is important.

    so .
    hour basis - as you eat meals every few hours throughout the day you should have a focused emphasis and purpose. my clients whole day will be planned out. some of the meals that they consume will be titled "Lipolytic Emphasis". what this means is that they are trying to keep their body in a lipolytic state where they are primarily burning fat for fuel and not glucose. timing of these meals are very important. THEN at other times during the day some of the meals they consume will be titled "Anabolic Emphasis". what this means is that that meal is an opportunity to store glycogen, promote protein synthesis, and hold onto muscle.. Both fat burning and muscle sparing are important during a cut.

    daily basis - we took both Lipolytic and Anabolic opportunities throughout the whole day in our meal timing and food choices. now the daily macro and calorie count is totaled.. here is where we build the foundation of the plan (the math is much easier doing a daily calc). here is where we may implement carb cycling or fat cycling. some days are re-feed days or higher carb days , some days are high fat and low carb days etc.. daily is also where I make sure to see the 'micro' nutrients accounted for

    weekly basis - this is where we see the big picture calculations . If we have burned more calories then we have taken in overall. as this is ultimately needed for weight loss. this is where our calorie/macro tracking lines up with the weight loss we track on the scale
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    Thank you guys. Very interesting most def ..

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    Your diet is just basically a 2 day calorie cycle.

    In the end all that matters really us that u get enuff protein and are in a deficit.

    There's all sorts of fun diets out there to play with.

    Have u ever heard of lyle Mcdonalds ultimate diet 2.0?

    I did that diet a few times and loved it! I learned a ton about how my body responds to carbs... it is actually intended for people in your current condition.

    I'm pretty sure u can easily find the free pdf.

    If u enjoy thinking and playing with ur diet this is the one for you! U get like 1000-1300g (7000 ish cals) carb refeed every 7 days and still lean out! It's called glycogen super compensation.

    The depletion workouts are Intense you'll be very much challenged with this diet.

    You would want to read the entire book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    Your diet is just basically a 2 day calorie cycle.

    In the end all that matters really us that u get enuff protein and are in a deficit.

    There's all sorts of fun diets out there to play with.

    Have u ever heard of lyle Mcdonalds ultimate diet 2.0?

    I did that diet a few times and loved it! I learned a ton about how my body responds to carbs... it is actually intended for people in your current condition.

    I'm pretty sure u can easily find the free pdf.

    If u enjoy thinking and playing with ur diet this is the one for you! U get like 1000-1300g (7000 ish cals) carb refeed every 7 days and still lean out! It's called glycogen super compensation.

    The depletion workouts are Intense you'll be very much challenged with this diet.

    You would want to read the entire book.
    Peaked my interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Peaked my interest

    Not me. I run from anything with the word "diet" in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    Your diet is just basically a 2 day calorie cycle.

    In the end all that matters really us that u get enuff protein and are in a deficit.

    There's all sorts of fun diets out there to play with.

    Have u ever heard of lyle Mcdonalds ultimate diet 2.0?

    I did that diet a few times and loved it! I learned a ton about how my body responds to carbs... it is actually intended for people in your current condition.

    I'm pretty sure u can easily find the free pdf.

    If u enjoy thinking and playing with ur diet this is the one for you! U get like 1000-1300g (7000 ish cals) carb refeed every 7 days and still lean out! It's called glycogen super compensation.

    The depletion workouts are Intense you'll be very much challenged with this diet.

    You would want to read the entire book.
    well each to their own form of misery I suppose constantly depleting and then re-plenishing on a weekly basis doesn't sound like a fun way to live to me (ie, if your REALLY going through a depletion phase each week, and not just half assing it and pretending you are)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I design diets with a focus on an 'hourly basis' , 'daily basis' and 'weekly basis'. all three matter. and as has been mentioned where you end up at the end of the week is important.

    so .
    hour basis - as you eat meals every few hours throughout the day you should have a focused emphasis and purpose. my clients whole day will be planned out. some of the meals that they consume will be titled "Lipolytic Emphasis". what this means is that they are trying to keep their body in a lipolytic state where they are primarily burning fat for fuel and not glucose. timing of these meals are very important. THEN at other times during the day some of the meals they consume will be titled "Anabolic Emphasis". what this means is that that meal is an opportunity to store glycogen, promote protein synthesis, and hold onto muscle.. Both fat burning and muscle sparing are important during a cut.

    daily basis - we took both Lipolytic and Anabolic opportunities throughout the whole day in our meal timing and food choices. now the daily macro and calorie count is totaled.. here is where we build the foundation of the plan (the math is much easier doing a daily calc). here is where we may implement carb cycling or fat cycling. some days are re-feed days or higher carb days , some days are high fat and low carb days etc.. daily is also where I make sure to see the 'micro' nutrients accounted for

    weekly basis - this is where we see the big picture calculations . If we have burned more calories then we have taken in overall. as this is ultimately needed for weight loss. this is where our calorie/macro tracking lines up with the weight loss we track on the scale
    I hear diet coaches at my gym...

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    You get pretty deep into shit. Wish I had you around my gym. I would pay you as a coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    well each to their own form of misery I suppose constantly depleting and then re-plenishing on a weekly basis doesn't sound like a fun way to live to me (ie, if your REALLY going through a depletion phase each week, and not just half assing it and pretending you are)
    Fun? Def not! Effective? Def so!
    It's not a lifestyle diet for sure... it is a great learning experience though.

    The depletion phase workouts are fucking brutal! I remember feeling close to death a few times

    I don't half ass my work outs..

    There's def easier diets and workouts out there..

    Like I said, though, it's a great learning experience!

    On cycle I can get to 10% ish bf eating fairly well.

    Nowadays I run IF style diet and don't eat meal1 until PWO which is about 130pm.

    Meal 2 around 6

    Meal 3 around 830

    That seems to be the easiest route for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    Fun? Def not! Effective? Def so!
    It's not a lifestyle diet for sure... it is a great learning experience though.

    The depletion phase workouts are fucking brutal! I remember feeling close to death a few times

    I don't half ass my work outs..

    There's def easier diets and workouts out there..

    Like I said, though, it's a great learning experience!

    On cycle I can get to 10% ish bf eating fairly well.

    Nowadays I run IF style diet and don't eat meal1 until PWO which is about 130pm.

    Meal 2 around 6

    Meal 3 around 830

    That seems to be the easiest route for me.
    Love this routine man and keeps you full until mid evening also I sometimes decide to hit the gym later so my 3rd meal is at 2pm and so by 9pm I really gotta obligate myself to get done with last meal ^^

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