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    So you can't eat enough to bulk up

    you can't gain weight cause you can't get enough food in. well here are some tips.

    - make sure your protein is not too high. super high protein diets are for cutting, not for bulking. Protein is both satiating as well as thermogenic. so it makes you feel full easily, and it burns a ton of calories to assimilate.
    for every 100 cals of protein you eat, your body burns through 30 cals to assimilate that.
    so if your eating 1500 cals per day in protein your body is burning up 450 calories in energy just to assimilate that.. heck thats like 2 hours of cardio on the step mill .

    your putting yourself in a deficit, in a way, just by eating too much protein. your digging yourself a deep hole to have to climb back out of.
    whereas with carbs and fats. they take hardly any energy to assimilate. instead of requiring energy, they themselves are energy.

    so if your eating 300g of protein per day during a cut , thats totally fine. but when bulking you need to drop that down to like 220g per day. then up your Carbs and fats.
    if your eating 10oz of meat per meal while bulking, cut that down to like 6-7oz. and leave more room for carbs and fats. you'll get in way more calories and be in s surplus much easier this way.


    - High glycemic fast acting carbs are your best friend. stay away from primarily eating oatmeal, sweet potato, rice, etc.. go for white rice, white bagel, white potato. slow acting carbs are going to slowly digest and slow things down and back up digestion.. fast acting carbs are going to get into the blood stream fast, plus they are going to illicit a much great insulin load as well as have fast gastric emptying which will then stimulate the hunger hormone Ghrelin . after eating fast acting carbs, you may get a spike and then a drop in blood sugar and be ready to eat again in 45 minutes .. thats not going to happen with brown rice.


    - mix up your protein sources within a single meal . its much easier to consume 4 eggs and 4 ounces of steak in a single meal, then it is to consume 10 whole eggs. instead of 10oz of salmon in one meal, eat 4 ounces of salmon with shrimp , eat lean cut pork with your chicken, etc.. mix up your protein pallet

    - Save room for the carbs. don't eat a big steak, then 2 cups of broccoli before you ever get to eating your potato. if you do that you may only get in like 40g of carbs cause you don't eat enough potato cause your already full.. instead eat a couple of bites of steak , but go right to the potato when appetite is high and slam 100g of carbs worth of potato, before ever touching the damn brocolli.


    - eat fruits and veggies for health.. bur restrict them to only certain meals in the day. there is NO need for veggies with every meal. just add them in on certain occasions only. you don't need them taking room in your digestion with every meal. you need to prioritize protein, fats, and carbs . veggies and fruits can be added to 1-2 meals only.
    IF you don't think your getting enough fiber in. then simply take a fiber supplement at the end of the day before bed once your meals are already done.


    - add an occasional cheat carb after some of your meals to get more carbs in. IF you eat chicken and rice and you are full from eating 1.5 cups of rice and can't eat anymore .. then wait 10 minutes after your meal, and you probably will find your not too full to have a bowl of cereal. slam that cereal and you just easily added 40g more carbs when you thought you were full

    - liquid calories. you know how easy it is to eat a chicken and rice meal, get full, and then have a thirst for 8oz of orange juice.. super easy. slam a glass of orange with each meal.
    do that for a week, you just easily with little effort added over 1000 grams of carbs to your diet


    I've got more . thats a long enough post for now though
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    When people ask me how to eat more I tell them to keep eating what they usually eat, but change for a more caloric version, if they eat cheese, pick one with more fats, for example. You can do it with pretty much every kind of food. The downside is that it only works with little caloric variations, if you need to eat a lot more this trick won't work.

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    I love these suggestions GH. I have been employing your hard boiled eggs and Trulife chocolate milk amendments to my bulk diet. I lost 5lbs after getting sick on New Years, but out 7lb back on after a week and a half
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    I like eating peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I like eating peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon
    You don't spread it on pop tarts ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You don't spread it on pop tarts ?
    Don’t mess with me like that while I’m cutting...

    mhmmm pop tarts

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    you can't gain weight cause you can't get enough food in. well here are some tips.

    - make sure your protein is not too high. super high protein diets are for cutting, not for bulking. Protein is both satiating as well as thermogenic. so it makes you feel full easily, and it burns a ton of calories to assimilate.
    for every 100 cals of protein you eat, your body burns through 30 cals to assimilate that.
    so if your eating 1500 cals per day in protein your body is burning up 450 calories in energy just to assimilate that.. heck thats like 2 hours of cardio on the step mill .

    your putting yourself in a deficit, in a way, just by eating too much protein. your digging yourself a deep hole to have to climb back out of.
    whereas with carbs and fats. they take hardly any energy to assimilate. instead of requiring energy, they themselves are energy.

    so if your eating 300g of protein per day during a cut , thats totally fine. but when bulking you need to drop that down to like 220g per day. then up your Carbs and fats.
    if your eating 10oz of meat per meal while bulking, cut that down to like 6-7oz. and leave more room for carbs and fats. you'll get in way more calories and be in s surplus much easier this way.


    - High glycemic fast acting carbs are your best friend. stay away from primarily eating oatmeal, sweet potato, rice, etc.. go for white rice, white bagel, white potato. slow acting carbs are going to slowly digest and slow things down and back up digestion.. fast acting carbs are going to get into the blood stream fast, plus they are going to illicit a much great insulin load as well as have fast gastric emptying which will then stimulate the hunger hormone Ghrelin . after eating fast acting carbs, you may get a spike and then a drop in blood sugar and be ready to eat again in 45 minutes .. thats not going to happen with brown rice.


    - mix up your protein sources within a single meal . its much easier to consume 4 eggs and 4 ounces of steak in a single meal, then it is to consume 10 whole eggs. instead of 10oz of salmon in one meal, eat 4 ounces of salmon with shrimp , eat lean cut pork with your chicken, etc.. mix up your protein pallet

    - Save room for the carbs. don't eat a big steak, then 2 cups of broccoli before you ever get to eating your potato. if you do that you may only get in like 40g of carbs cause you don't eat enough potato cause your already full.. instead eat a couple of bites of steak , but go right to the potato when appetite is high and slam 100g of carbs worth of potato, before ever touching the damn brocolli.


    - eat fruits and veggies for health.. bur restrict them to only certain meals in the day. there is NO need for veggies with every meal. just add them in on certain occasions only. you don't need them taking room in your digestion with every meal. you need to prioritize protein, fats, and carbs . veggies and fruits can be added to 1-2 meals only.
    IF you don't think your getting enough fiber in. then simply take a fiber supplement at the end of the day before bed once your meals are already done.


    - add an occasional cheat carb after some of your meals to get more carbs in. IF you eat chicken and rice and you are full from eating 1.5 cups of rice and can't eat anymore .. then wait 10 minutes after your meal, and you probably will find your not too full to have a bowl of cereal. slam that cereal and you just easily added 40g more carbs when you thought you were full

    - liquid calories. you know how easy it is to eat a chicken and rice meal, get full, and then have a thirst for 8oz of orange juice.. super easy. slam a glass of orange with each meal.
    do that for a week, you just easily with little effort added over 1000 grams of carbs to your diet


    I've got more . thats a long enough post for now though
    This is all answered by drive.
    You cant teach drive. You can't teach fire and hate.
    You will because you have the drive and hate or you wont because you are a pussy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    This is all answered by drive.
    You cant teach drive. You can't teach fire and hate.
    You will because you have the drive and hate or you wont because you are a pussy.
    it doesn't always take "drive and hate" to be smart enough to simply switch from eating brown rice to white rice so you can eat twice as many carbs in a day . its called using your brain. drive alone without technical execution accomplishes nothing.

    you can have all the drive in the world to build a house and hammer nails, but if you don't even know how to use a damn hammer your drive isn't going to accomplish much. you need the drive AND the technical know how

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    it doesn't always take "drive and hate" to be smart enough to simply switch from eating brown rice to white rice so you can eat twice as many carbs in a day . its called using your brain. drive alone without technical execution accomplishes nothing.

    you can have all the drive in the world to build a house and hammer nails, but if you don't even know how to use a damn hammer your drive isn't going to accomplish much. you need the drive AND the technical know how
    Fuckin A !!!!

    Word, Brother!!!

    God damn, GH strikes again... The more I read, the more I realize that I have so much to learn...

    Ongoing process, one might say...
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    OK, so here is my contribution (as feeble as it may be) to the discussion:

    GH / esteemed gents on the forum chime in here please.

    I am 54 (rapidly approaching 55) and when I am cycling I find it harder and harder, as I age, to "force-feed" myself. I don't recall having this feeling of fullness and borderline nausea, when I am eating 7 meals a day. It feels like, as I am getting older, I just can't eat and eat and eat, like I use to 25+ years ago. Any advice? Is it just a question of hunkering down, biting the bullet and shoveling it in?

    I don't have any GI (gastro-intestinal) disorders, so I believe that there isn't a mechanical/medical problem at play here.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    OK, so here is my contribution (as feeble as it may be) to the discussion:

    GH / esteemed gents on the forum chime in here please.

    I am 54 (rapidly approaching 55) and when I am cycling I find it harder and harder, as I age, to "force-feed" myself. I don't recall having this feeling of fullness and borderline nausea, when I am eating 7 meals a day. It feels like, as I am getting older, I just can't eat and eat and eat, like I use to 25+ years ago. Any advice? Is it just a question of hunkering down, biting the bullet and shoveling it in?

    I don't have any GI (gastro-intestinal) disorders, so I believe that there isn't a mechanical/medical problem at play here.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!!!
    as you get older , your body does not assimilate protein near as well as when you are younger. it has a harder time digesting and assimilating it.
    so your going to want to go with easy digesting proteins like Fish, Shrimp, Scallops, Chicken breast, Whey Isolate.. you can add digestive enzymes to each of your meals. combine these easy digesting proteins with easy fast digesting carbs like white rice, white potato, bagel, etc.. and a glass of orange juice or cranberry juice . stick to those basics and you should be able to find you can digest and assimilate more food. add some cheat carbs in on occasion to drive you calories up and change up your taste pallet
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    it doesn't always take "drive and hate" to be smart enough to simply switch from eating brown rice to white rice so you can eat twice as many carbs in a day . its called using your brain. drive alone without technical execution accomplishes nothing.

    you can have all the drive in the world to build a house and hammer nails, but if you don't even know how to use a damn hammer your drive isn't going to accomplish much. you need the drive AND the technical know how
    You should show me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    You should show me.
    100s of examples could be given.

    take the QB Payton Manning. he was not super athletically gifted. but he had the DRIVE to be a great QB. but drive alone wan't going to cut it for him. drive alone would of got him no where.. when he combined his drive with 'smarts' and technical know how of the game and expertise on the X's and O's , then he became a great QB. Drive without precision in doing accomplishes nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    100s of examples could be given.

    take the QB Payton Manning. he was not super athletically gifted. but he had the DRIVE to be a great QB. but drive alone wan't going to cut it for him. drive alone would of got him no where.. when he combined his drive with 'smarts' and technical know how of the game and expertise on the X's and O's , then he became a great QB. Drive without precision in doing accomplishes nothing.
    Its 99% anabolic mastrubation.
    I can find you a pro who swears by any and all things.
    I see guys laying out diets for people like there way is the only way. Diet is the most individual aspect of this. It will be self adjusted and force fed or a man won't be anything at bodybuilding.

    Yes... Even in terms of diet... Drive is everything.

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    And it doesn't take a genius to figure out what foods work best for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    And it doesn't take a genius to figure out what foods work best for them.
    I wonder why there are Phd (doctorate) degrees in nutrition then . looking around your local Walmart at the people there .. obviously most people have no clue how to eat. nutrition is a 'science' . dumb it down all you want, but again there wouldn't be 'doctorates of nutrition' if it were not an advanced subject .

    gains are left on the table, bodybuilders feel like shit, bloated and sick all the time and lethargic and can't breath.. and hit the toilet 5x per day . obviously they can't figure out what foods work for them most the time.
    your giving people too much credit . most people are their own worse enemies and they don't have a clue.
    if eating fast food 5x per day and drinking a 12 pack of beer every night works for you. thats great.. but I wouldn't assume it works for most people. most guys are not genetically blessed with that type of metabolism , no matter how much 'drive' they have or not. they need precision and know how on top of drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I wonder why there are Phd (doctorate) degrees in nutrition then . looking around your local Walmart at the people there .. obviously most people have no clue how to eat. nutrition is a 'science' . dumb it down all you want, but again there wouldn't be 'doctorates of nutrition' if it were not an advanced subject .

    gains are left on the table, bodybuilders feel like shit, bloated and sick all the time and lethargic and can't breath.. and hit the toilet 5x per day . obviously they can't figure out what foods work for them most the time.
    your giving people too much credit . most people are their own worse enemies and they don't have a clue.
    if eating fast food 5x per day and drinking a 12 pack of beer every night works for you. thats great.. but I wouldn't assume it works for most people. most guys are not genetically blessed with that type of metabolism , no matter how much 'drive' they have or not. they need precision and know how on top of drive
    Precision and know how is individually specific. As is metaboism. It will be self adjusted. If tou dont feel like shit as a bodybuilder you're doing it wrong.
    Nutritionists are nearly as big of a joke as psychologists.

    Until they measure and graph the unused nutrients in my feces, over many months, their best guess diet wont be as good as mine. I know me and you know you.
    Yes people are stupid but if feeling good, being happy, and healthy is someones goal they better find a different sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    as you get older , your body does not assimilate protein near as well as when you are younger. it has a harder time digesting and assimilating it.
    so your going to want to go with easy digesting proteins like Fish, Shrimp, Scallops, Chicken breast, Whey Isolate.. you can add digestive enzymes to each of your meals. combine these easy digesting proteins with easy fast digesting carbs like white rice, white potato, bagel, etc.. and a glass of orange juice or cranberry juice . stick to those basics and you should be able to find you can digest and assimilate more food. add some cheat carbs in on occasion to drive you calories up and change up your taste pallet
    THANKS, GH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    as you get older , your body does not assimilate protein near as well as when you are younger. it has a harder time digesting and assimilating it.
    so your going to want to go with easy digesting proteins like Fish, Shrimp, Scallops, Chicken breast, Whey Isolate.. you can add digestive enzymes to each of your meals. combine these easy digesting proteins with easy fast digesting carbs like white rice, white potato, bagel, etc.. and a glass of orange juice or cranberry juice . stick to those basics and you should be able to find you can digest and assimilate more food. add some cheat carbs in on occasion to drive you calories up and change up your taste pallet
    GH:

    I read on here (not this thread) that milk (the guy was specifically praising chocolate milk) is a great source to bulk on and gain protein/carbs... What is your take on milk.

    Thanks for the input.

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    I had such a problem that I couldn't gain weight because I couldn't eat enough. I tried different ways: walk more, don't eat sweets, run more. Nothing helped me. On Canadian Pharmacy Online I read that there are medications to increase appetite. I decided to try, so I bought a jar on this site to try. These medications really suited me. Now I have gained the weight I wanted and I'm happy to go to the gym to pump up
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    I’m always hungry, I don’t know the meaning of force feeding. If I eat as much as I want, I get fat. My cousin can eat 2x as much as me and still remains skinny. Everyone’s different.

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