chemical muscle purity?

[qscgugcsq]

Ok, after all I've read it seems that CM stuff are well dose and good gear.

However, it is pure??

The only thing differencing between UGL and Pharma grade is the purity...

Of course a 99% pure UGL is impossible(while being well dosed)

But we can still expect some good thing. Right??

So Im wondering if anyone tested some CM oil??
Would you run that labs for a TRT protocol??

Thanks

[V-ROID]

I am running CM Test E for TRT but only into it a few pins so I can't really give you any information yet. No idea on the purity (gotta be top 5 ugl) but would be interested in what others have to say.

[BBJT200]

Ok, after all I've read it seems that CM stuff are well dose and good gear.

However, it is pure??

The only thing differencing between UGL and Pharma grade is the purity...

Of course a 99% pure UGL is impossible(while being well dosed)

But we can still expect some good thing. Right??

So Im wondering if anyone tested some CM oil??
Would you run that labs for a TRT protocol??

Thanks

Your post doesn't really make sense. The raws for pharma grade come from the same place UGL's get their gear; it just comes down to the individual lab owner to apply his own quality control measures, whereas pharma grade has mandated qualty control measures.

So...it IS possible to have a well dosed, high purity oil from an UGL.

Basically though, if you require pharma grade, cough up the money for it. You cant demand pharma grade quality from a product that is 5x cheaper than pharma grade.

That being said...CM is great. I've been using it for my own TRT lately and have been happy with it. Labs come back good.

[crazy mike]

Ok, after all I've read it seems that CM stuff are well dose and good gear.

However, it is pure??

The only thing differencing between UGL and Pharma grade is the purity...

Of course a 99% pure UGL is impossible(while being well dosed)But we can still expect some good thing. Right??

So Im wondering if anyone tested some CM oil??
Would you run that labs for a TRT protocol??

Thanks

WTF...is this a real question? I don't even know if it makes sense. It doesn't make common sense to me. ....crazy mike

Your post doesn't really make sense. The raws for pharma grade come from the same place UGL's get their gear; it just comes down to the individual lab owner to apply his own quality control measures, whereas pharma grade has mandated qualty control measures.
So...it IS possible to have a well dosed, high purity oil from an UGL.

Basically though, if you require pharma grade, cough up the money for it. You cant demand pharma grade quality from a product that is 5x cheaper than pharma grade.

That being said...CM is great. I've been using it for my own TRT lately and have been happy with it. Labs come back good.

In bold, now this makes sense to me. What is the question. If anyone wants to know if CM products are good try them. I have done CM's Test E & P , Masteron, tbol, and Tren Acetate and I was very pleased. I have obtained for two friends and have witnessed the results and the results were excellent. I know several people using CM's gear and everyone has complimented the products as well as the ordering procedures thru delivery.
OP do you have some specific concern. At your age you shouldn't even be involving yourself with aas. Enough out of me... ...crazy mike

[qscgugcsq]

WTF...is this a real question? I don't even know if it makes sense. It doesn't make common sense to me. ....crazy mike

Ive seen some mass spec showing that evrn if the gear is sterile and well-dosed their is still impurity in it.

May be heavy metal or some harmless thing.

Between 2 exact same lab with the same exact dose their may be one better than another...

It is a thing to consider, do not tell me that you never considered that aspect...

[OnTheSauce]

I get mass spec done a lot. And pharma Watson actually tested quite poor on the mass spec. As I've said, plenty of ugl have very good purity. You can have great results from a ugl even if purity is crap. But if there are better, cleaner options, why not go for those? I have 5 samples of different gear I'm testing this month, including some home brew

[qscgugcsq]

I get mass spec done a lot. And pharma Watson actually tested quite poor on the mass spec. As I've said, plenty of ugl have very good purity. You can have great results from a ugl even if purity is crap. But if there are better, cleaner options, why not go for those? I have 5 samples of different gear I'm testing this month, including some home brew

Strange that pharm grade purity sucks... Do you have any idea why??

And hes I know the purity do not determine the result, thats why Im asking for the purity of CM.

Thats exactly what im trying to do, if their is better purety, well dosed UGL, ill go for it instead of CM.

Keep us updated with the one you are testing.

Thanks

[truckin001]

The question makes perfect sense to me.

[snowblowjoe]

I get mass spec done a lot. And pharma Watson actually tested quite poor on the mass spec. As I've said, plenty of ugl have very good purity. You can have great results from a ugl even if purity is crap. But if there are better, cleaner options, why not go for those? I have 5 samples of different gear I'm testing this month, including some home brew

Did you get the Watson directly from the pharmacy or from a third party or something else

[OnTheSauce]

From pharmacy. Close friend/lifting partner is on trt. Test e 200.

[BluPhin]

I have not seen any mass spec data on chemical.muscle. However, I can attest that PIP is minimal and "anabolic effect" is prominent. There is no discernible difference in these attributes when comparing chemical.muscle with pharm grade gear I have used.

[BBJT200]

I have not seen any mass spec data on chemical.muscle. However, I can attest that PIP is minimal and "anabolic effect" is prominent. There is no discernible difference in these attributes when comparing chemical.muscle with pharm grade gear I have used.

I havent seen any mass spec data either, but id be curious to see if its out there somewhere.
I agree with you phin, the anabolic effect is not questionable by any means...love it.

[marcus300]

Its total garbage and it's dirty gear. Stay clear everyone

[austinite]

I love it when people claim to see mass spec results.....................................

love it.

[V-ROID]

Its total garbage and it's dirty gear. Stay clear everyone

Hmmm...?

[BBJT200]

Its total garbage and it's dirty gear. Stay clear everyone

Could you please elaborate? I havent heard anything about dirty gear except from you...so if you could please share what you know that would be great.

[austinite]

Could you please elaborate? I havent heard anything about dirty gear except from you...so if you could please share what you know that would be great.

You've been in threads where he was asked to elaborate and he did. Why keep asking? Check your post history. Also, he is not the only person saying this. Again, check your post history because you've posted in the very threads where others had similar opinions to marcus.

[marcus300]

We as staff get a lot of feedback and CM is dirty and are not to be trusted. Your risk but I wouldn't even oil my bike chain with it.

Stay well clear

[V-ROID]

Well that is upsetting news and honestly the first time I have heard that about CM. I notice no ill effects from from the Test E. Others with similar experiences good or bad please chime in. Though at this point I am more interested in hearing about the bad.

We as staff get a lot of feedback and CM is dirty and are not to be trusted. Your risk but I wouldn't even oil my bike chain with it.

Stay well clear

[marcus300]

Well that is upsetting news and honestly the first time I have heard that about CM. I notice no ill effects from from the Test E. Others with similar experiences good or bad please chime in. Though at this point I am more interested in hearing about the bad.

You won't know which members are real or fake rep accounts to boost business. Many are just made up to suck new customers in. It's that obvious and how these dirty labs operate

[JinNtonic]

I'm on CM test and tren E. It's still bit early to tell how good it is. I have started getting night sweats.

[crazy mike]

Ya know I don't care if it someone buys this "CM" or not. I have nothing to gain. But as I have reported I had positive results. Now I haven't had any Pharm grade gear since January. I can't get any, but even with my budget I would certainly get that rather than any Ugl.

At this time I will not stand up for CM or any Ugl for that matter. BUT I address this thing about the staff hearing something we don't. I have heard many say they like it. I haven't hear ANYONE say they didn't. Maybe there are some, probably there are but I haven't. The same who tell the staff, well, who. Where are they publically.

I mean I have nothing to gain, NOTHING. So I have heard misc bad things about Hulk and I did some and it was good. That's all I can say. That is my experience. But what I hear now from STAFF is they know something that has not been publically said. WHY is that?

I do not want to get banned so I will shut up an say no more after this, however I am wondering as one should what's the hush , hush about who , what were and when the product has proved to be, dirty and low dosed.

Naturally I'm my own man. I don't want to start trouble BUT it's a natural question of science as we like to put everything to the test on here, to ask what's up. Because I see lots of people asking for data and ask , hey prove it with some data and or experience. Now one more thing I would ask this about any lab about anything. Blood labs, hey don't use them...well Why what happen to you. Whomever?? ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Let me put this another way. Science proves and majority rules. Now we on this forum go by science first. Then we talk experience and we usually lean toward the more true experience. When most of the members agree on here it almost becomes a dictation or a rule of thumb. most of use then tell what we know to others. If we hear something opposite to the majority we certainly want to know why, how, where's the proof that shows that the MAJORITY is wrong and we don't know right from wrong.

SO I just need to know why I shouldn't or others should maybe throw their stock out. I mean I certainly don't want to inject in MY body dirty anything. I don't want to get sick or waist my money. But I MOST certainly do not want to trash my investment. To me this is serious sh!t.
Should I throw my gear, I have quite a stash? what do I do? ANY suggestions, anyone? ..crazy mike


My PM BOX IS FULL OF WHAT TO DO....cm

[tox2501]

I get mass spec done a lot. And pharma Watson actually tested quite poor on the mass spec. As I've said, plenty of ugl have very good purity. You can have great results from a ugl even if purity is crap. But if there are better, cleaner options, why not go for those? I have 5 samples of different gear I'm testing this month, including some home brew

How much does this cost? How does it work considering your giving the mass spec lab a controlled substance?

[qscgugcsq]

Let me put this another way. Science proves and majority rules. Now we on this forum go by science first. Then we talk experience and we usually lean toward the more true experience. When most of the members agree on here it almost becomes a dictation or a rule of thumb. most of use then tell what we know to others. If we hear something opposite to the majority we certainly want to know why, how, where's the proof that shows that the MAJORITY is wrong and we don't know right from wrong.

SO I just need to know why I shouldn't or others should maybe throw their stock out. I mean I certainly don't want to inject in MY body dirty anything. I don't want to get sick or waist my money. But I MOST certainly do not want to trash my investment. To me this is serious sh!t.
Should I throw my gear, I have quite a stash? what do I do? ANY suggestions, anyone? ..crazy mike

My PM BOX IS FULL OF WHAT TO DO....cm

Great post, agreed with what you said.

and I don't think that a lab trying to raise his rep is necessarely a bad sign.

If I had a lab who is total bunk, I would say that my stuff is good to sell it.
thos who try my stuff would say its crap. So their will be mixed review.

if I had a great lab with great product, I would still try to raise the rep of my lab to make people buy it and comment about the quality.
they will say good thing and all the review will be good.

so even if Chemical Muscle have multiple account. those who actually tried it still liked it.

However, I trust TR, and I also would like to know where these bad reviews come from.
does bad review are more trustable than good one?? Other lab can still try to discredite other labs...

Just saying.

p.s. : never used CM, was in my "To Try list". Just curious about what I may use...

[austinite]

^ You're 19. You really shouldn't bother with any of this stuff anyway...

[truckin001]

Im with crazy mike on this one. If u know something that could possibly be harmful from using chemical muscle gear then we should be informed.

[Fcastle357]

What the fvck. If this is true i I have some problems. I don't know what to do now. I have two cycles worth of cm. I heard they were good. I know I took my chances on a ugl but this is a big blow.

[truckin001]

Im beginning to think this is all bs. Obviously if there are serious issues with the gear we would have proof. I dont see shit.

[BBJT200]

yeah...I would have to agree with you truckin. I see no proof of anything...and questions are not answered when asked. I call bullshit.

[brazuka]

I am currently using chemical muscle and into my first week. Running their test E and liquid dbol, it's been 5 days and so far I am up roughly 6lbs (I attribute this to the dbol being legit hence the water weight early on). My strength and recovery have increased a pretty good amount already. The PIP I get is about 3 to 4 on a scale of 10 being the most pain (Although I may be experiencing this slight discomfort because I front loaded my first two shots with a 25g needle so my hands were not 100% still when injecting). My order arrived within 2 days of making payment and was very well air-tight sealed, and the communication I had with the owner was excellent. Up to this point I am very satisfied with everything and have not heard anybody say one bad thing about chemical muscle besides marcus.

So marcus if you are reading this I want to let you know that in no way is this calling you out or attacking you in any way. We all have a lot of respect for you this is the reason why despite only hearing good things about them we definitely have our concerns when you say it is dirty gear and garbage. You see we would all like to take your word for it however many of us have invested in chemical muscle or have been using them for months with great results. If money was not involved and I and others did not already order from them already your posts would have me 100% staying clear of them because we do trust your word. But for us who have spent money and have a stock and investment in them we would like to know why you say these things about the lab. Because if the gear really is dirty and garbage I would be more than glad to throw out all of my stock and say this isn't worth the money. But that's not the case here I have not heard from anybody else anything bad about this lab and people who have been using them for months seem to be satisfied so this is where it is tough for all of us.

Again I would like to say that in no way is this a personal call out or attacking you, just want to show our perspective on things. Because your word here is like us looking up to a role model, we respect it. Just wanting some elaboration on the whole situation and if I have broken any rules please PM me so I can edit this post or remove it all together. Thanks

[marcus300]

Ive had a lot of information about CM and all I am doing is letting you guys know, if your happy carry on buying it but this is how UGL's work they pull you in. If no one wants to take it on board then fair enough.

[JCFobsession]

Wow well I can say I'm glad this is still being talked about!!!!!!

IF ANY MOD/ HALL OF FAMER/ VET /
100% knows for a fact CM is bad tell us all. WHY AND HOW you know this!!!!

We all know there are good ppl with honest reviews and all know there are boosters who are fake users repping a ugl!!

If CM is bad I'd think they WOULD-be blasted on ever site and forum out there... and ppl would know there garbage!!!

[JCFobsession]

Ok here we go everyone this is what it looks like!!

I'm not worried about any ugl being fake gear I'm worried about contaminated gear and the sterilization of it. I'm ok getting ripped for a few dollar bills and learning a lesson and.moving on.

[austinite]

Ok here we go everyone this is what it looks like!!

I'm not worried about any ugl being fake gear I'm worried about contaminated gear and the sterilization of it. I'm ok getting ripped for a few dollar bills and learning a lesson and.moving on.

Probably not so sterile in the restroom....

[BBJT200]

Ive had a lot of information about CM and all I am doing is letting you guys know, if your happy carry on buying it but this is how UGL's work they pull you in. If no one wants to take it on board then fair enough.

Another post saying literally nothing but "it's bad"
How about telling us some of this information you've received...

[JCFobsession]

Probably not so sterile in the restroom....

Lol that was for the photo only!

[JCFobsession]

Probably not so sterile in the restroom....

Its from my private bathroom in my office! Lol I alcohol swab entire contents then put in my sterile area where I keep everything

[austinite]

Its from my private bathroom in my office! Lol I alcohol swab entire contents then put in my sterile area where I keep everything

You should clean that bathroom. Nasty stains.

[probuild42]

This thread is contaminated! Take it or leave it.