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12-11-2005, 10:23 AM #121
Ok guys...I'm about to start a very high dose(160 mcgs) LR3 IGF-1 cycle.
Right now I'm cruising on low dose Test/Deca /HGH.I'm going to run the IGF cycle 30 days,and then go right into a mini Test suspension cycle(6 weeks) with another strong androgen as well.My thought/logic behind this is the IGF at this dose will create some decent hyperplasma and by following it up quickly with an anabolic cycle,this will sprurt growth to the newly created muscle cells/tissue.
With that said.Here's how I thought of running the dose protocol.
60 mcgs AM
HGH 4 iu's 2pm
100 mcgs PWO
Seem logical to you?Or would you split the dose into ample amounts 3 x during the day?
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12-11-2005, 10:36 AM #122
If it were me, I'd split the GH up too, I know guys that run GH only on workout days to save dosage and $$. So for example if you workout M/W/F do a:
60mcg IGF/4 IU GH am
100mcg IGF/4 IU GH PWO
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12-11-2005, 10:45 AM #123Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
I see the point in regards to the HGH.I know guys that run it like that also.I usually run 9-10 iu's ED.I don't see the need for the higher dose when running IGF at this level.I could be wrong,and I'm very open minded,so I'll consider upping the HGH dose.
You don't think it's a good idea to run the IGF every day?Or are you suggesting an alternative to saving cash.Bear in mind,I have enough IGF to run 160 mcgs every day. I like the idea of cutting back on the HGH though,since it is a pricy suppliment.
~Pinnacle~
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12-11-2005, 10:49 AM #124
That was a workout day dosage. I should have been more clear. On off days stay with IGF1. Yes it was to save $$ for the peeps who cant afford GH in abundance. The guys I know bring preloaded syringes right to the gym and hit it right before they take their pwo shake.
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12-11-2005, 10:57 AM #125Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
I'm thinking of switching up HGH protocol though.I've been on for years straight,so I think it's time to give my pituitary a chance to recoup,if it can.So 3 days a week seems appe****g to me.
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12-11-2005, 11:03 AM #126Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-11-2005, 02:12 PM #127
bump, lets keep this goin. Good stuff.
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12-11-2005, 03:17 PM #128Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-12-2005, 04:09 AM #129Senior Member
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12-12-2005, 10:24 AM #130
In regards to HGH, it seems that if you take supraphysiological doses ed, your serum IGF-1 will decrease. I have seen this with not only my own bloodwork, but with others as well.
do you guys find that higher doses at fewer days/week is more effective? I want to keep my IGF around 400-500ng.
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12-12-2005, 11:45 AM #131Originally Posted by anabolicbruce
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12-12-2005, 11:58 AM #132Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
I've started my 160 mcg run today.
Also,I'm trying Mike's suggestion with the HGH.
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12-12-2005, 11:59 AM #133
Wowsers!!! lol Keep us posted! BigMike, your theory sounds good, wondering if I should try it on my next go in a couple months. SO if you were going to take 6IU 5on2off, with your way would you take 8IU on workout days only, or stick with 6? Thx.
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12-12-2005, 01:16 PM #134
As requested Paul Borresen's shock receptor blasting,
These cycles are only for the advanced bodybuilder who as reached his genetic potential and under no circumstances should this method be used unless you have trained and used gear for numerous years and your body is finding it harder to get a response to grow new muscle mass with the standard cycling.
I would also like to state that this type of cycling doesn't work for everyone, which is probably the normal when we are using chemicals in the body, there are no set rules!!
Paul's method is used at a top pro level and is and does have a place in modern bodybuilding, it has built huge men, Dorian/Dillett were big fans of this type of cycling/training.
The duration of these cycles is between 3-6 wks and there are many different methods and its worked out for the individual who knows his own body ie- knows which compounds work best for him and mixtures, a typical example of a 21 day stack would be using fast acting compounds of between 500mg-1000mg of main test per day, which is similar what some people use in a week, the body is hit hard for 3 weeks and 3 weeks off then repeat, Paul states you shock your receptors and body into growth before any bad side effects appear,
A typical 6 week cycle would be hit slightly different, you would use more longer acting compounds only 2 at a time, so for 2 wks you would use up to a 1gram a day of the main test the switch it for the next 2 wks and switch to another for the last 2 wks(which would normally be a fast acting test), there are variations to this methord and it all depends on the individual and history and experience of using chemicals when designing cycles.
This is a example of a cycle Paul designed for my individual needs-
500mg SUS ED for 10 days
500mg Primo/deca ED for 10 days
500mg Prop/winny ED for 10 days
i was also running HGH while i was on this cycle at 8ius ED
I know alot of you will be thinking deca???? but this was designed for me and at this time i was running deca at a low dose because of the training and to help my joint pain,
i ran this for 30 days and then had 5 weeks off and i repeated a similar cycle using different compounds, i kept all the gains and even produced more while i was in the off period,
Now its not just designing a cycle to make this theory work, there are many other factors to consider and implement to get the most from this blasting, example if your on a 3wk shock cycle you would increase the intensity of the training to a level what you can only physically be maintain for about 3-4 weeks, an example of this would be- warm up fully- max weight 6-8reps +forced-then drop set to failure- then dropset failure- then dropset to failure, this type of training and cycling needs to fuelled with the correct diet which means its a 24hr lifestyle, all this coupled with enough rest,will and does force your body beyond its normal range of growth, after the 3 wks your body is screaming to recover so a maintaining training program is needed and at this stage your body actually still builds muscle mass to compenstate,
The body can gain large tissue gains for short periods of time but it cant keep maintaining this for weeks on end, it is possible to gain a 1lb a day for 3 wks but it cant for weeks on end, this is nature and we can learn from it,if your advanced enough and you know how to combat the side effects this is amazing way to push yourself past any sticking point, if you have the right enviroment for the body it will have rapid fast growth can be obtained by this method,
Any thoughts or commets?
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12-12-2005, 01:30 PM #135Anabolic Member
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interesting theory... but u right, too advanced for me..
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12-12-2005, 01:45 PM #136Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
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12-12-2005, 02:05 PM #137
It has been covered a few times before, but I am interested in staying on AAS year around. the reason being is that after a year off AAS my test levels wouldnt break 400ng. since I compete,instead of going on TRT I figured i would do somthing similiar to Pinnacles regime-bridge with 250mg test.
Any other insight to year around cycling and long-term effects?
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12-12-2005, 02:45 PM #138
[quote=marcus300]any thoughts?
[quote]
Like I stated above,I just started an IGF cycle.Now how much hyperplasma will occur at that dose?I have no idea,but I'm certain it will be minimal.
BUT,what I'm going to do is running a very high dose(2.5g')suspension cycle as sooon as this cycle is complete.My thought is that the anabolics will grow the new cells created by whatever amount of hyperplasma that will occur during the IGF cycle.
I like Pauls theory on the mini burst type cycle.I just don't agree with the long ester drugs he suggests in his approach.My thinking is that it would be much better to use esterless gear for the quick,high dose cycle.I might be off on his logic?
~Pinnacle~
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12-12-2005, 02:56 PM #139
[QUOTE=Pinnacle][quote=marcus300]any thoughts?
I like Pauls theory on the mini burst type cycle.I just don't agree with the long ester drugs he suggests in his approach.My thinking is that it would be much better to use esterless gear for the quick,high dose cycle.I might be off on his logic?
~Pinnacle~
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12-12-2005, 05:00 PM #140Originally Posted by marcus300
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12-12-2005, 09:41 PM #141
bump!
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12-13-2005, 01:19 AM #142Originally Posted by JamesC
how does your friend respond to this type of cycling? how long has he been training and using gear?
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12-13-2005, 04:00 AM #143Originally Posted by marcus300
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12-13-2005, 04:14 AM #144Originally Posted by JamesC
Last edited by marcus300; 12-13-2005 at 04:28 AM.
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12-13-2005, 04:44 AM #145Originally Posted by marcus300
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12-13-2005, 05:01 AM #146Originally Posted by JamesC
thanks for your imput
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12-13-2005, 05:33 AM #147Originally Posted by marcus300
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12-13-2005, 12:11 PM #148Originally Posted by JamesC
James, elaborate on your HCG approach mid-cycle if you don't mind. Thanks.
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12-13-2005, 01:19 PM #149
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12-13-2005, 04:33 PM #150Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
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12-13-2005, 05:40 PM #151Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-13-2005, 10:19 PM #152
^^^^^^
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12-13-2005, 10:36 PM #153Originally Posted by JamesC
I have gone over 200 mgs and I felt lethargic,and extreme loss of appetite.Basically I felt like shit.
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12-14-2005, 07:22 AM #154
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12-14-2005, 11:01 AM #155
bumpety bump
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12-21-2005, 04:45 PM #156
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I'm drug free.
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A little bump for those in need of good readin!
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