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06-03-2002, 10:53 AM #1
Studies prove we may be wrong about HCG post cycle
this was dug up by doggcrapp off animals board.
The Study: Two hypogonadal former anabolic steroid users were studied. Normal levels of LH are >3.6 IU/L and Testosterone are 300—1000 ng/dl. Former anabolic steroid users often have suppressed levels of both.
The Results: Subject #1 is a 6', 206lb former user of 500—2000+ grams per week of anabolics. His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=191ng/dl. This suject underwent a 32 day treatment of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=5.2IU/L, Test=1072 ng/dl.
Subject #2 is a 5'10", 184lb male who used 400 mg per week of nandrolone . His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=45ng/dl. This subject's 32 day treatment consisted of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. There was no change. He underwent another treatment consisting of 60 days of 5000 IU of HCG every 4 days for 4 injections, then 2500 IU every 4 days for 4 injections, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. Still, no change. For the next 32 days, this subject received 5000 IU of HCG every other day for 6 injections, then 2500 IU every other day for 6 injections given with 150 IU of menotropins, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex 2 times per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=9.8IU/L, Test=507 ng/dl.(20)
Comments: The authors of this paper have presented some very interesting data that the medical community needs to learn from. When dealing with former androgen users, there may be better ways to increase Testosterone than the standard patch treatment (which will only prolong the problem of decreased T production.) Hypogonadal former androgen users need a treatment, not a band-aid. If you need to jump start your Testosterone after an androgen cycle, this combination of HCG, Clomid, and Nolvadex may be just what the doctor ordered.
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06-03-2002, 10:55 AM #2
notice what deca did the subject #2's HPTA and how long it took to recover it.....good reason to avoid it if you ask me.
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06-03-2002, 10:55 AM #3Junior Member
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Good Info Kizer
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06-03-2002, 11:52 AM #4Member
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Wow, i knew deca shut you down hard but had no idea it too THAT LONG to recover from it....good post kizer_soce...
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06-03-2002, 11:55 AM #5Originally posted by johan
When I read it to me it sounds like it is the menotropins that gets them going again.
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06-03-2002, 12:07 PM #6Originally posted by johan
what kind of sides does menontropins have??
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06-03-2002, 01:04 PM #7Originally posted by kizer_soce
notice what deca did the subject #2's HPTA and how long it took to recover it.....good reason to avoid it if you ask me.
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06-03-2002, 01:21 PM #8Originally posted by Dizzy
Exactly....I'd like to see a study like this done with equipoise as well. Until I do...I'm sticking to fina.
i wonder what the results would have been like with just the clomid and nolva w/o the hcg ... i also wonder how the test levels responded post hcg treatment...
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06-03-2002, 02:50 PM #9
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# 2 does not say if he was using test with it. I wonder if just doing deca shuts things down or if using with test will keep things going?
Damn studies, You just never know what to think.
I am still going to keep doing my deca.
That will keep my test level low too.
BTW my doctor told me that the deca will not make the test level go up or down that much. hmmmmm.
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06-03-2002, 04:29 PM #11
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06-03-2002, 04:33 PM #12Originally posted by Dizzy
How about eq?
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06-03-2002, 04:47 PM #13Originally posted by Dr.Evil
i don't know
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06-04-2002, 01:25 AM #14
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06-04-2002, 09:12 AM #15
Hey Doc I think you are right on with the assumption that fina is even worse than the deca both being nandrolone derivitaves.......I am now of the opinion that if you are to run fina in a cycle it should be done closer to the beginning rather than the end so it has more time to clear your system.
I have gotten great results using arimidex and clomid post cycle...not much for mass but I got some really good strength gains post cycle....and that was after using test fina winny and no ester eq for 6 weeks. Also I know a friend of a friend (yeah sounds stupid but it is a guy I really trust) who put on 12lbs post cycle using HCG with clomid. I am thinking of doing the same thing after my current cycle except taking out the nolva and adding arimidex in it's place, I will let you guys know how it turns out (minus blood work) in a couple months when I get to it.
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06-12-2002, 08:34 AM #16Originally posted by Dr.Evil
tren may shut you down longer than anything else...
i wonder what the results would have been like with just the clomid and nolva w/o the hcg... i also wonder how the test levels responded post hcg treatment...
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Kizer - thanks for posting that mate but you wouldn't happen to know the origin of it would you? I know you mentioned 'Animals' board - one with which I'm unfamiliar - could you elaborate? Even better would be the abstract/journal reference. Just that I'd like to find the full article and give it the once over.
Cheers.
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06-14-2002, 09:02 AM #18Originally posted by BigLad
Kizer - thanks for posting that mate but you wouldn't happen to know the origin of it would you? I know you mentioned 'Animals' board - one with which I'm unfamiliar - could you elaborate? Even better would be the abstract/journal reference. Just that I'd like to find the full article and give it the once over.
Cheers.
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