***Prohormone OTC Chart***

[HawaiianPride.]

I've noticed a lot of PH questions that could be answered by reviewing this chart. Keep in mind this was BEFORE the big ban, so a lot of these products are unavailable.

Nomenclature/Chemical naming info:

For reference:

etioallocholan = 5a-androst = 'a skeleton' or 'a isomer'
etiocholan = 5b-androst = 'b skeleton' or 'b isomer'
17beta-hydroxy = 17b-ol
estra = 19-norandrost

1-AD (1-androstenedione) 1-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-dione

1-AD (1-androstenediol) 1-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-diol

4-AD (4-androstenedione) 4-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-dione

4-AD (4-androstenediol) 4-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

1,4AD (Boldione) 1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione

M1,4AD (Dianadiol) 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol or 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

19-Tren X (Pro-Dienolone) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione or estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione

Max LMG 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

Orastan-A (Furazabol THP) 5a-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether

Orastan-E (Stanozol THP) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17b-tetrahydropyranol

Halodrol-50 (Turinadiol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

Promagnon-25 (Methyl-Clostediol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

Propadrol 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene-17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate

11-OXO (Adrenosterone) 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione or 11-oxo-androstenedione

Methoxy-TRN 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

Methoxy-TST 17b-methoxy-trienosterone

19-Nor (19-norandrostenediol) 19-nor-4-androsten-3b,17b-diol or 19-norandrost-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3b,17b-diol

M5AA (Mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstanediol

3-Alpha (3-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3alpha,17b-diol

M1T (Methyl 1-Test aka 17aa-1-testosterone ) 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol

Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol

Pheraplex (Madol or DMT) 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Ergomax LMG (Ergo Matrix) 17a-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

Epithio (Havoc or Epistane) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

Methyl-D (Methyl Dienolone) 17a-methyl-19-Norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9(10)-diene-3-one

M4OHN (Methylhydroxynandrolone) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one

4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one

MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one

Below is information such as estimated half life and A:A ratio's on certain compounds. I'll update more as I find further info as much of it is compiled from original manufacturer claims and as such this should be used for reference purposes only. If anyone sees anything they can add or change please let me know.

Anabolic to Androgenic ratio's based on original manufacture claims and Vida info. Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds. Q-Factor is the anabolic # divided by androgenic #. Some anabolics are listed with a 'range' for the most accurate possible estimate. Methyl Testosterone is the oral of which all other orals are compared, just as IM Test is to other injectibles:

It didn't copy and paste some of it but here is the link.

Credit- Ziquor of CEL.

[livingwithdoms]

damn lots of good info for ph users

[BOBfromfightclub]

nice post

my favorite of all time would be epi if it didnt dry out the joints

DMT as in the spirit molecule?

[BOBfromfightclub]

totally jk about the dmt

[panntastic]

Stickie that for the ph users good information bro

[bodybuilder]

Great post HP

[40plusnewbie]

So which are the few most powerful anabolically and overall will produce most muscle that are still legal at the moment. I'm taking supertest at the moment with var ane pepties but would like to throw another one in before I run a test cyp and adrol cycle.

[D7M]

Nice work, HP

[lucyluciano]

Nice Post. Sticky this!

Currently running Cel's H-drol-75 mgs with S-roid 10 mgs pulsed on top EOD.

[BOBfromfightclub]

So which are the few most powerful anabolically and overall will produce most muscle that are still legal at the moment. I'm taking supertest at the moment with var ane pepties but would like to throw another one in before I run a test cyp and adrol cycle.

ive been on the bodybuildingdotcom forums and they talk about PH more then any thing else. it seems that superdrol is the strongest...

[lucyluciano]

superdrol, all the way. Some compare 20 mgs daily as the equivalent to 1000 mgs of test per week.

[D7M]

superdrol, all the way. Some compare 20 mgs daily as the equivalent to 1000 mgs of test per week.

I find that hard to believe....

[HawaiianPride.]

Superdrol was great, but it didn't really compare to Test in terms of weight gain and physical appearance. Strength gains were similar.

I don't believe 20mg = 1000mg of Test. Not a chance.

[BOBfromfightclub]

I've heard of 15-20lbs in 3 weeks on SuperDrol
I've also heard its SuperToxic

OT but is that your forearm?

[HawaiianPride.]

No it's Frank Mcgrath's.

[Reed]

Crazy how high the anabolic /androgenic ratios are on these legally obtainable compounds compared to test, deca , eq etc

Superdrol is very strong but a lot of clones are going around and who knows what is what and to be honest in some of the products they sell as such if you are even getting "superdrol"...

The VERY original compound is no longer available but its 2nd generation tweaked clone is still legal, don't thinks its quite as strong tho....

[Reed]

I really think this should be sticked here or in the Supplement section.

This is very valuable to those that are into this market and can realize that possibly it is wiser to stick with your basics like test as you are STILL using ANABOLIC STEROIDS regardless if its legal or not.

[HawaiianPride.]

The VERY original compound is no longer available but its 2nd generation tweaked clone is still legal, don't thinks its quite as strong tho....

I don't think so either. I've had some of their clones in the past 3 years and it doesn't stack up to the original.

[40plusnewbie]

Thank's a lot for the feedback re: Superdrol being the strongest legal one right now. I think I'll add it into my var, supertest, ghrp-2, and cjc I'm taking right now.

[BOBfromfightclub]

Thank's a lot for the feedback re: Superdrol being the strongest legal one right now. I think I'll add it into my var, supertest, ghrp-2, and cjc I'm taking right now.

just wondering why?

your already taking 4...isnt that enough?

[HawaiianPride.]

BTW these are the available PH's that I'm familiar with. Just to keep you guys informed on which ones are still attainable...

Helladrol, Beastdrol, RPN Havoc, LG Methyl-Masterdrol, AMS 4-AD, LG Trifecta Stack, AMS 1-Androsterone, Iforce Testabolan, EST Hemadrol, Epistane, CEL H-Drol, CEL, M-Drol, XPN AndroXtreme-D, all still available.

[FireGuy]

Great info HP!

[40plusnewbie]

just wondering why?

your already taking 4...isnt that enough?

I'm addicted. Some dude who has seen me every other day for the past week (how long I have been on var, less for the others) asked me how long I have been on. I said a week and he was like "A WEEK?" Are you shitting me? You need to hook me up man!

Right now i'm having a pain in the ass b/c I know of lots of places to get powders (for example I can get 10grams of A bomb) but in looking around in domestic sites they were out of test cyp and test prop. I have powder test prop and everything to brew it but am kinda lazy to do it at the moment and would like to continue with a few orals and the peptides. Hopefully they show good results over time, if so I think life will be good!

Hell, I wish there was a site where people could go down together to make purchases, for example i have 10g's for tomax and 10g's of torem and won't use it all. Going in for 100g purchases and splitting it up would be sweet, I don't know if it would be against the rules and it would be risky of course but I have bought stuff off of people from sites before. And if the person who makes the order fronts all the money and buys a popular product there is no huge risk they are gonna get stuck b/c it can get moved at a local gym or something.

I know I"m off on a tangent, sorry. Please delete if it's not appropriate stuff to be saying here. I'm just thinking out loud re: ways we can benefit each other besides sharing sites privately.

Then again maybe it's a bad idea in case a cop gets involved. Things have to be completely anonymous with green dot cards in other people's names, po boxes in other people's names, or having payment sent to a friend or relative out of the country, and of course keeping all dna off everything and making sure your not on vid survailance of some 7-11 or check cashing place or whatever.

I don't like risks that have severe consequences unless I know my ass is covered 10 ways to Sunday.

[HawaiianPride.]

New updates...

PP has discontinued all pro-hormones. This includes the following products –

Dermacrine Topical (excellent recomp agent)
Dermacrine Liqua-Vade (excellent oral recomp agent)
1-T Topical (liver safe mass builder)
1-T Liqua-Vade (liver safe oral mass builder)
Formestane Liqua-Vade (our strongest anti-estrogen)
Turinabol Liqua-Vade (our strongest mass builder)
AndroHard Liqua-Vade (prevents gyno and hardens muscles)
... and ALL stacks of the above products



Yes, you read that correctly. PP has officially discontinued ALL current pro-hormone products.

How long until all these products are gone?

As of this posting, our final batches of pro-hormone products are being manufactured. We estimate most (if not all) of our pro-hormone products will be sold out in the next 7-14 days, perhaps even sooner.

If you have never tried our pro-hormone products, or you want to stock up for future cycles, now is the time to act. Once these products sell out, they are gone for good.

Why are we discontinuing our pro-hormones?

This discontinuation sale will allow us to raise extra funds for future innovation. The revenue generated from this sale will be directly invested into new products and technologies for the future.

Rest assured that these products are the same high quality products they always have been. We guarantee the best price and 100% SATISFACTION on all purchases.

[BOBfromfightclub]

sry about bumping an old thread.

the part about EPI being chemically similar to DMT and causes a sense of euphoria has spark interest.

DMT as in Dimethyltryptamine?

[warchild]

who is PP?

[HawaiianPride.]

primordial performance

[Ashop]

Real nice chart. Thats something thats been needed for some time.

[azz10]

love your work there HawaiianPride! very clear details about PH.

[bcaasdirty]

thumbs up HP...one of teh better (if not best) OTC roid threads on here!

[supersetman]

damn great info for the PH users on the board, very complete.

[IMunchRoidz]

damm 1-ad seems very good. whats the major disadvantages of that?

[lucyluciano]

I love H-drol Superdrol cycle I am currently running. Lean dry gains with super pumps.

[karatekarn]

uhhh lucy thats a very toxic combo you be running some liver support and get some taurine ready those pumps will be excruciating...

[HawaiianPride.]

Bump

[dec11]

so are some of these products really as potent as using say adrol or tren ? i just find it hard to believe they are that strong and good

[HawaiianPride.]

They are very strong and toxic.

[dec11]

They are very strong and toxic.

so liver protection is an absolute must then and how long would you stay on any of these for? i might give one of the 'euphoric' products a go.

[HawaiianPride.]

Depends on the product you are using and what the label reads generally.

[dec11]

Depends on the product you are using and what the label reads generally.

ok, so your saying to follow the label , ther isnt a 'real world' duration or dosage for heavier body weight or cycle experience? cheers