YOUNG hrt patients

[Wawa_Rules]

This post for only for hrt users that are considerably "young" and are on it because of aas. At what point did you realize that you really needed help? I don't wanna think im in denile, but i need help facing the fact. I had bloodwork done a while ago and it came back normal but i timed it poorly as it was taken too close with me taking novedex xt. With this, and the fact that my libido is horrible, i suspect the results only came back "normal" because of the novedex xt. I recently finished pheeno's pct and it sure brought test levels up (i broke out) but the testes are still soft and not as large, not to mention the horrible libido. Any input/support would be greatly appreciated.

Ps. How should i go about finding an endo in NJ that actually has experience with or specializes in this type of thing?

[toolman]

How long has it been since your last cycle ended?

[Kale]

And what did your last cycle consist of. ? And how long ago did the PCT end ?

[Teabagger]

Finding an endo that has hrt knowledge...good knowledge...is gonna be tough. My suggestion is call around to several and somewhat interview one of his nurses. Ask if he has hrt patients. Since you're on the phone, block your number, ask if he has experience with bb that have suppressed hpta because of aas use. Also check out urologists, they are another group of specialists that deal with this. I'm afraid you'll have to educate many of them and that is not easy to do with the usual ego of md's. I have heard that it can take as long as 6 months for natty test levels to rise. Good luck man.

[Wawa_Rules]

The cycle that really did a number actually m1t. I was young and uneducated and didn't properly pct, only used 6oxo, and have never been the same since. That was 2 years ago. I've done a superdrol cycle since then and decided id give pheeno's 8-16wk pct a try. I'm at the end of that pct taking only .25 of arimadex...still have pimples from that pct so i know it raised test levels. The thing is i feel lethargic all the time like i am low in test. It's just my lack of sex drive that is driving me crazy...i can still do it and all it's just that i don't desire it like i used to.

[Teabagger]

A lot of shit can affect your libido bro, as I'm sure you're aware. Even at your age it will begin to be affected by non-physio issues, ie: stress, diet, depression, other meds, etc...

[mmaximus25]

I don’t have personal knowledge anymore of how to go about finding a (AAS aware Physician) doctor it’s been too long and my friend of a friend's Dr. has moved away... But I don’t understand why you need a specialist to get prescribed Testosterone cream...

I have a friend that had his blood work done by his regular physician and was able to get a cream prescribed due to his below Testosterone level...

My first question is what does superdrol contain in it...? I have never hear of that Anabolic /Androgenic mix.

Are you eating high fats (saturated)? (high fat consumption is just allowing higher number of estrogen receptor sites)

If you have a slow metabolic rate eating high refined sugars with starch is just as bad as the high fats… Ex cake, cookies… the larger percentage of starch is being stored as adipose tissue while the sugars are being used as fuel, glucose and some glycogen storage…

Are you doing any training and more specific Leg training...?


To get back on track your HPTA connection needs your additional support besides you PCT... I think you may need a low level test boost (I will contact my friend that went to a regular physician), low fat diet and to once a week begin shocking your nervous system with a heavy leg training day...

Have you also tried a couple HCG treatments, not as a proponent in HPTA connectivity but as a normality card... Until that HPTA connection is more so solidified you need your boys to be functional.

Can you get your hands on Proviron ? I know people like liquidex/armidex and what not... In my experience those don’t compare to Proviron as the libido kicker...

[Wawa_Rules]

Superdrol is some proprietary designer blend...My diet is pretty clean and i work out 5 days a week, every week. I read that hypogonadism can be caused by even the slightest disturbance of the hpta, so I'm guessing it was when I did that M1t when I was younger. I can't get hcg or proviron ...only stuff that come in research chems. I think what it comes down to is i need a blood test. But my question is how long should i wait after pct to get accurate results.

[mmaximus25]

Superdrol is some proprietary designer blend...My diet is pretty clean and i work out 5 days a week, every week. I read that hypogonadism can be caused by even the slightest disturbance of the hpta, so I'm guessing it was when I did that M1t when I was younger. I can't get hcg or proviron...only stuff that come in research chems. I think what it comes down to is i need a blood test. But my question is how long should i wait after pct to get accurate results.

6mo to a year... I'm sorry but it varies per person... I am a little curious because it sounds like you took a prohormone and you didn't really cycle a synthetic testosterone or a derivitive of Test…

But There should actually be less of a problem talking to a doc because these products are not steroids but sound more like a prohormones that if taken at heightened levels will convert or change but mimic an androgen or change into a particular androgen.

I've contacted my friend about what and how he asked his regular doc about getting a blood test but in order to find out his T levels... He should call me tomorrow morning

[Wawa_Rules]

well prohormone or not, m1t is one molecule from being real test, which is enough to disturb ur hpta. im only 20 and this shit has got me really depressed, and i haven't broken it to my parents yet. i found an endo that im gonna call tommorrow and set up an appointment but im just not sure when i should schedule the bloodwork because i don't want any pct to affect the results. i've decided for now to just take cialis every other day and just end the pct because the pct i did was overkill for superdrol anyway and it would have done all it could do by now. i'll keep everyone posted after the visit and bloodwork.

[mmaximus25]

well prohormone or not, m1t is one molecule from being real test, which is enough to disturb ur hpta. im only 20 and this shit has got me really depressed, and i haven't broken it to my parents yet. i found an endo that im gonna call tommorrow and set up an appointment but im just not sure when i should schedule the bloodwork because i don't want any pct to affect the results. i've decided for now to just take cialis every other day and just end the pct because the pct i did was overkill for superdrol anyway and it would have done all it could do by now. i'll keep everyone posted after the visit and bloodwork.

Don’t be afraid to tell the Doc what you've taken, just don’t act like it was a mistake... You be the authority...

Simply say you've taken some Pro-hormones and would like a blood test to see what your test levels are at along with cholesterol, liver enzymes and so forth...

My friend finally called me back... He didn't go to a specialist... One reason he said is because they are not aware of the Steroid and Prohormone before and after effects... They are more likely to begin a slew of tests just to understand how and where your body's state is currently at hormone wise.

HE recommended a general practioner... How they get requests for blood work all or much more in a simpler fashion (My friend is a Pharmaceutical rep) more often... Simply state the above... You took some pro-hormones and you want to make sure your testosterone levels are at an average level... and If not you would like HRT until they return to normal... I can’t stress the issue you’re going over board by going to an Endo... They see patients that have Lupus, AIDS, Cancer, Kidney dysfunction, liver dysfunction... I don’t mean to belittle your situation but dude your test levels aren’t going to come back as quick as many may think,,, The younger you are when suppressing such hormones actually takes a long time to come back... Your hormones verses mine is like slowing down a train with 15 cars behind it that weight 1 ton each Vs a Tractor trailer that has has one or two hitches... Which one do you think is going to get back up to speed faster...?

Your body is in a high production time, mine is not... It’s much easier coming back to an already lower production hormonal environment than coming back to a high production one... On top of that you will not come back 100% to that same level... That is why it’s recommended (not to sound like I'm swaying young men) if you’re under 25 that GH or IGF-1 in place of synthetic testosterone is much more heathly to your endocrine system...

That way you don’t fuk with you natural T but can grow amazingly from the hormones that wont effect you body's natural T levels (GH, IGF-1 LR3)


please PM for futher discussion Lad...
Just edited... I forgot you cant PM... I sent you a PM though with my email address. Calm down dude you're gonna be ok... I'll help you

[mmaximus25]

Also I need to know what you think your Body Fat is... Regardless of if your eating clean... Do you have a High amount of Body Fat?

[Wawa_Rules]

Thanks for your positive outlook and support on this mmaximus. I like your idea of going to a general practitioner over an endo because at this point all I need is the bloodwork, and if I in fact should see an endo my guess would be he would refer me to one. My bodyfat isn't that high...I'm 5'5 at 173lbs...but i've got a lot of muscle. I'm not sure what my bodyfat would be but to give you an idea, if i dropped about 10 lbs of fat i would have visible abs when flexed.

[mmaximus25]

Thanks for your positive outlook and support on this mmaximus. I like your idea of going to a general practitioner over an endo because at this point all I need is the bloodwork, and if I in fact should see an endo my guess would be he would refer me to one. My bodyfat isn't that high...I'm 5'5 at 173lbs...but i've got a lot of muscle. I'm not sure what my bodyfat would be but to give you an idea, if i dropped about 10 lbs of fat i would have visible abs when flexed.

Well I'm about 9% BF and I have abs when I flex, it’s not until under 9% do I not have to flex... I don’t wanta base myself to figure yours out... but add ten pounds of fat, water and I say I was about 13-15% BF


So I want you to get lower... See your abs... Decrease your BF as much as possible. You need to remove Saturated fat (Absolutely NO fried food) and all refined sugars and refined sugars mixed with starch (cake, candy, pie) during the week days... If you need a quick diet I'll PM you...

Second thing after you get your blood work... You are in a different situation that most I try and help... Most guys are more like they did a cycle and did a PCT but then went right back on... a couple of times... so We are trying to bring back their natural hormones from a very knock out stage... Even though you are not like the bros that I have helped you can still benefit from another PCT except with much different components... I don’t use Clomid... I don’t even think it’s necessary anymore with out a doubt...

I want you to read the Post in this Forum section by JokersWild... It’s an article by Anthony Roberts one in which I was going to send you and another fellow... Which is very similar to an Article by William Llewellyn...? Many do not agree with what they have published... well I do... Now after using my own method of PCT and cycling Year long before coming back from no production to reasonable production I won’t let any one sway me or contend with what their conclusions are the least bit...

Mine is a little different but I run nolva thru out my whole cycle... I don’t ever use Clomid... Started out because I couldn't get it then became obvious what I was doing works, so don’t screw with it...

I use Proviron in place of the Aromasin and add B6 along with Vit E... I also Use HCG somewhat similar to Anthony's Hooker's PCT but I run HCG in the middle or thrids of my cycles to make sure my gonads remember how to work... I do 250ius a day not 500 in tha middle... the end it very close to the way I run also…

Anyway read the article if for nothing the info at least... I will PM you with more info

[suckysucky]

mmaximus, just want to tell ya that it is great how you are sharing your knowledge with this individual. He should be really grateful you are taking all this time to help somebody out.

[mmaximus25]

I wanted to add that your natural state will be regained much faster if you increase your metabolic rate... It is "key" in causing your hormone production to function properly... By losing BF you will effectively raise your BMR... http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ns421/BMR.html


If you are not able to obtain HCG , Proviron and Nolvadex ... You still need to up the Vitamin intake you should already be taking if your training... 99% of all 18-23yrs do not take the Vitamins they need to grow properly... I'll be blunt if 20% more of the US male population that's 18-20 yr olds took Vitamins in amounts directly correlated with the type of training... We would see a shit load of muscle bound fuks running around...

In order to get your hormone function back faster, take your vitamins... Sounds so simple yet many don’t and even worse while training hard and killing them selves in the gym and still don’t realize they are growing slower and at their lowest potential... I was this stupid kid once a short bus if you will... Dont be a short bus...

Go to this web site and just read the researched descriptions... I need to look at the Animal Pak ingredients but I use it and I also recommend you start taking it in conjunction with losing BF by diet and improved training...
http://ods.od.nih.gov/Health_Informa...ct_sheets.aspx


Your Vit E and B6 need to elevated more so... so adding and additional 500mg of E and B6 to what you should or are already taking will be fine

You need to start looking at how to lower estrogens while trying to regain your Natural T... so use The Brewed Nolva you can get and look into those sports creams like http://www.biogenesis.co.za/pi-estrogen-blocker.asp
or make the vitamin arsenal your self...
Vit E,C, Vit B6 , Passiflora Coerulea, DIM - Di-indolylmethane - Pro-Brassica, Uritca Dioca, Omega-3 (fatty acid), B-complex, Magnesium, Calcium

Your T levels will come back naturally... It is very rare that after one or even two cycles of AAS (not what you took) that your T never comes back at all...
Be patient and stay focused

[Wawa_Rules]

goin to a urologist on may 23rd. then i go on my trip to the bahamas the next day! woooooo! when i get back, the results will undoubtedly be in so i'll get everyone up to date then. if results come in clean, im starting a 1ad 4ad cycle. months later i'll be startin test e.

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

Your problem sounds exactly like mine bro. I originally did a very uneducated cycle of 1-test (similar to 1-AD I believe) back when I was 17 and andro was legal. If there is anything I could do, I would go back and NOT take that cycle because I was ignorant to PCT and just went off, undoubtably screwing up my test levels since then. I am now 20 and have a mild case of ED much like you have. My advice from all this would be to make sure to get the test results back. I saw a doctor last year and he simply said "yep your fine" and dismissed the issue after "ordering" blood tests. Most doctors will just blow you off due to your age because they are unknowledgeable about steroids and the after-effects.

[Wawa_Rules]

wow our cases are very similar. im curious as to ur test levels on the blood work. if this doc says no and my test is lower than 400, i WILL find a doc that accepts my insurance that'll put me on it

[testosterona]

i'm 20, and i asked my doc to check blood for low test and such. i told him i took prohormones for football and i thought i might have scweed up my production. before we even saw the results he was already talking about gels and injection of test. the fact that i was young didn't seem to fase him at all. semmed like a cool guy. i think you just need to find the right doc, ya know.

[mwolffey]

i'm 20, and i asked my doc to check blood for low test and such. i told him i took prohormones for football and i thought i might have scweed up my production. before we even saw the results he was already talking about gels and injection of test. the fact that i was young didn't seem to fase him at all. semmed like a cool guy. i think you just need to find the right doc, ya know.

damn...thats a good doc

[Wawa_Rules]

well it's been a while and i've seen the urologist twice. i've gotten the bloodwork back and fortunately my test levels aren't screwed up (720). Problem is that i STILL have no sex drive. He's gonna get a blood flow test for me because he obviously wants to put me on cialis/viagra to help in the short term (like i couldn't easily get that anyway). Luckily after that he said he's gonna do whatever it takes to get me right.

[Oasis]

Viagra and Cialis are not for SEX DRIVE. They help you get it up but do nothing for helping you actually want to have that drive to do it. If that is your problem that you need those drugs you may have ED as well. I would have your doctor check your estrogen levels as well. They might not be high enough to cause gyno but may just be slightly off to disrupt your sex drive. Also Total testosterone is really somewhat meaningless on the blood test if you do check other things. Just because your test level is at 720 you need to know how your body is using it: Free Testosterone, Estrogen, or possibly having a high SHBG. You could be producing all the testosterone in the world but if it all converting to estrogen it will really do you no good. I think you need to do more testing. Just my thoughts.

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[mmaximus25]

interesting... I wonder if the doc would prescribe you proviron ?
I dont think its a fix but as a form of therapy it can be very effective.

I dont believe I any libido issues but I do take proviron while off an androgen cycle too. I like the boost in libido it offers as well as the effect on aromatase.

[Wawa_Rules]

i know free test was recorded, not sure about the other though, i'll let you all know when i get the copy of the bloodwork i requested

[Wawa_Rules]

what happens when/if all the bloodwork reveals normal levels but i still have a low sex drive and a low volume ejaculate

[Wawa_Rules]

well fortunatly everything came back normal even above average with total and free test. as of now i am scheduled to get a full scrotal ultrasound to see if there are any problems. i was also put on meds for a prostate infection. i'm supposed to soak in hot water 30 min a day too ugh. so at least the journey towards recovery has begun and i guess this thread isn't too appropriate in this section anymore...

[Badgerman]

well fortunatly everything came back normal even above average with total and free test. as of now i am scheduled to get a full scrotal ultrasound to see if there are any problems. i was also put on meds for a prostate infection. i'm supposed to soak in hot water 30 min a day too ugh. so at least the journey towards recovery has begun and i guess this thread isn't too appropriate in this section anymore...

Do you take any blood pressure med, benadryl for allergies, or anti-depressants??

[Wawa_Rules]

do take the anti-depressants...it's getting looked into

[Mobligator]

well fortunatly everything came back normal even above average with total and free test. as of now i am scheduled to get a full scrotal ultrasound to see if there are any problems. i was also put on meds for a prostate infection. i'm supposed to soak in hot water 30 min a day too ugh. so at least the journey towards recovery has begun and i guess this thread isn't too appropriate in this section anymore...

When I read you were going on meds for prostate infection I went back and read all of your previous posts in this thread and I didn't see anything that would indicate that you had a prostate infection. As a rule the symptoms of prostate infection are very similar to the symptoms of the clap (gonorrhea), which was what I thought I had the first time I had a prostate infection. You'll know something is wrong if you have prostatitis! The best Rx you can get for prostate infection is a combination drug called "trimethoprim & sulfamethoxazole", which is generic for "Septra" and "Bactrim", but the brand names cost a lot more and are exactly the same thing. Some MD's prescribe "Cipro" which is also expensive and doesn't work any better. I had chronic prostatitis for about 15 years and it's hard to get rid of. However soaking in a tub of hot water won't help it. Thats an old time remedy, "very old!!" There are only two ways a doc can determine if you have prostatitis; if it shows up in a urine test or he can do a smear test of the prostatic fluid after massaging your prostate with his finger, the ol digital exam. If he's doing a full scrotal ultrasound he's looking for something else, which in all probability you don't have but thats how they cover their asses.

[Wawa_Rules]

well he's doing the scrotal exam because sometimes my balls ache after ejaculation

[Badgerman]

do take the anti-depressants...it's getting looked into

anti-depressants cause major sexual side effects.......especially the common SSRI class like paxil prozac etc....effexor is a bad one two.....all of them lower sex drive and make orgasm difficult......especially in women.

[Badgerman]

also effexor causes difficulty in urination........and all have nasty withdrawal
symptoms

[Mobligator]

also effexor causes difficulty in urination........and all have nasty withdrawal
symptoms

anti-depressants cause major sexual side effects.......especially the common SSRI class like paxil prozac etc....effexor is a bad one two.....all of them lower sex drive and make orgasm difficult......especially in women.


You're right about that Badgerman, they're all nasty and can cause low libido and ejaculation problems. They all work in a similar fashion too, i.e. to block the re-uptake of serotonin in the brain and once you start screwing up the natural working of the brains neurotransmitters it seems to cause more problems than it helps. My wife tried them for a while and I had her change MD's and he weaned her off of them. You can have real bad side effects if you go off of them cold turkey. The only thing she takes now is an occassional Xanax for anxiety.

[Wawa_Rules]

well i talked to my psychiatrist and he thinks that it's the depression and not the meds that are the reason for low-libido so he upped my dosage. i won't be able to see the effects of that though for about another 2 weeks. it's really like a double edged sword here cause depression can cause low libido yet so can the meds and if he's got me on a bunch of different meds, there are just too many variables. if the ultrasound comes back normal, aside from whatever the urologist has planned, i'm going to have to suggest hcg even though my hormone levels are fine and even though he said my testicles seemed normal. the reason for this is because im almost positive when i was younger, they were just a big larger, denser, and more "mobile" (you know like when ur taking a crap and you see them movin around) cause they don't move much now. i just wish i had some kind of solid information/documentation that i could bring in so i don't come off as a young punk that doesn't know what he's talking about. all i usually see for hcg is during trt but maybe one of you's can help. the ultrasound is on the 14th, the follow-up visit to the urologist is on the 24th, and the next visit to the shrink is on the 27. so this will be an interesting month...

[UpstateNY]

It's GREAT to see how everyone with experience is helping here!!!! This is why I became a member. WaWa, you're on the right track and getting lots of good advice. Stay the course, these guys will help you to get to the right info and Dr. and get your quality of life up. I've only been here a few month and just from reading and asking, gotten far. I've got a long road yet, but I feel inspired and so should you!