went to the dr...low test! Gel??

[jeepman]

Hello…was wondering if I could get some input on this….

I went to the dr for mainly loss of sex drive. I am dating new smokin hot chick, and I could care less about hittin it with her. That's when I knew something was up...defiantly not normal for me.

I told him my problems, and he has a few questions, like if I am tired and such. And then he mentioned testosterone levels and that by the looks of me he doubted I was low on test, but it would do the blood work anyways and go from there. I was asked to come back in a week so we could discuss the results. So…went back a week later…test levels were on the low side of normal he said…and if I remember correctly I read 319 on the chart. He suggested that I start some hormone theory and that he would go that route as long as I was ok going with the topical route. He really didn’t ask a lot of questions…he told me the compound pharmacy to pick it up at and how to use it, and to call when I needed more. And that’s really about it.

I have now been putting this stuff on for a month now, and I have seen no results. Right at first I thought things were better the first few weeks...but that was probably just the placebo affect. How long should I be taking this before I start to see some positive results?

Anyways…the bottle states..” 75 MI testosterone 2.5% C-Gel” and I am supposed to use 4 pumps in the morning, rubbing into chest and shoulders. What excatly am I taking and what is the dosage? I was wanting to do some reading here, and it's kinda hard to read about your taking, when you really don't even know what it is...or at least what the slang terms are.

After some reading here...it sounds like I would be better off going to an endo. With my insurance...i would have to be referred to one. What's the best way to get my dr to refer me? I also called him today because I am about out of the gel, and for some reason I didnt' get any refills. I also told the nurse that I haven't really noticed any improvements while on this stuff. So far I haven't heard back from him. I only have about a days worth of stuff left...I hope he gets back to me soon.

[zaggahamma]

hey jeepman...i'm fairly new to the forum, too....but you can just ask you doctor to refer you to an endo....or if you say your ins. is really good, you don't need a referral unless some endo's demand them, then your doc will fax them a referral...no prob....endo's are USUALLY the best route to go...they are very familiar with the hormone system, etc. So you didn't get a copy of your blood test?...but you remember around 300 something....just on the range of normal, but not anywhere where you want to be....sounds like you want to do more than just a little blue pill from time to time...as you have seen from checkin this site you can learn a lot here. Just wanted to chime in and make you feel welcome, man....they'll be more news coming

[BOOST]

319 how old are you. I tried the cream, it sucked and I got nothing.

[jeepman]

319 how old are you. I tried the cream, it sucked and I got nothing.

I am 34. so far this cream is doing nothing. I am going to give it another couple of weeks and the go back and ask to be re-tested, and then ask for something else. hopefully he'll just refer me to an endo.

I would still like to know extacty what I am using now, and what the dose is.

[Anabolios]

get the 10% gel..i know almost nothing about gel's but from reading everyone says 2.5 is junk but youll notice with the 10

[zaggahamma]

yeh, I'm feeling better with 10 mg androgel daily

[BOOST]

I am 34. so far this cream is doing nothing. I am going to give it another couple of weeks and the go back and ask to be re-tested, and then ask for something else. hopefully he'll just refer me to an endo.

I would still like to know extacty what I am using now, and what the dose is.

I am 34 also, I was on the 1% 50mg Test cream daily from my doctor for 60 days. I thought it sucked and I got nothing from it. My Test levels are about the same place yours are. If you are looking for a HRT replacement the cream is okay, but if you are looking to grow and build muscle, you need the real deal
I know they have 20% cream, but I have never tried it. It is like putting cum, alcohol and perfume on your body all at once lol.

[jeepman]

I am 34 also, I was on the 1% 50mg Test cream daily from my doctor for 60 days. I thought it sucked and I got nothing from it. My Test levels are about the same place yours are. If you are looking for a HRT replacement the cream is okay, but if you are looking to grow and build muscle, you need the real deal
I know they have 20% cream, but I have never tried it. It is like putting cum, alcohol and perfume on your body all at once lol.

I am not looking into this just to build muscle. The main reason is I feel like crap all the time and hardly ever am intrested in Sex, slow to get an erection if I can even get one. The fact that I may add some muscle and lean up some, is just a plus.

[BOOST]

I am not looking into this just to build muscle. The main reason is I feel like crap all the time and hardly ever am intrested in Sex, slow to get an erection if I can even get one. The fact that I may add some muscle and lean up some, is just a plus.

Then try the cream, my sex drive was a little higher. I was waking up with wood everyday

[Mobligator]

AndroGel 5 mg or 10 mg will work very well but if you really want the best results I'd suggest using the injections of either testosterone enanthate or cypionate. I used them for over 12 years and kept my testosterone level around 500-600 ng/dl. The normal range at my lab was 300-1000. The normal maintenance dosage is 100 mg a week or you can take 200 mg every two weeks , which is what I found to be more convenient. You will start feeling much better about 7-10 days after your first injection of 200 mg. Also the injectables are a lot less expensive than the Gels. Your "smoking hot chick" will start looking even hotter and will love you for the changes testosterone will make in your life.

[gooroo]

I am interesting in making my own. I have posted that numerous times on teh forum and no one really responds to me. What gives? Hate to hijack, but the pharmacy here in town make their own gel at whatever percent and it comes in a pushout tube, they can do it in an hour. I want to know how thats done adn how to do it myself.

[Lavinco]

Hello…was wondering if I could get some input on this….

I went to the dr for mainly loss of sex drive. I am dating new smokin hot chick, and I could care less about hittin it with her. That's when I knew something was up...defiantly not normal for me.

I told him my problems, and he has a few questions, like if I am tired and such. And then he mentioned testosterone levels and that by the looks of me he doubted I was low on test, but it would do the blood work anyways and go from there. I was asked to come back in a week so we could discuss the results. So…went back a week later…test levels were on the low side of normal he said…and if I remember correctly I read 319 on the chart. He suggested that I start some hormone theory and that he would go that route as long as I was ok going with the topical route. He really didn’t ask a lot of questions…he told me the compound pharmacy to pick it up at and how to use it, and to call when I needed more. And that’s really about it.

I have now been putting this stuff on for a month now, and I have seen no results. Right at first I thought things were better the first few weeks...but that was probably just the placebo affect. How long should I be taking this before I start to see some positive results?

Anyways…the bottle states..” 75 MI testosterone 2.5% C-Gel” and I am supposed to use 4 pumps in the morning, rubbing into chest and shoulders. What excatly am I taking and what is the dosage? I was wanting to do some reading here, and it's kinda hard to read about your taking, when you really don't even know what it is...or at least what the slang terms are.

After some reading here...it sounds like I would be better off going to an endo. With my insurance...i would have to be referred to one. What's the best way to get my dr to refer me? I also called him today because I am about out of the gel, and for some reason I didnt' get any refills. I also told the nurse that I haven't really noticed any improvements while on this stuff. So far I haven't heard back from him. I only have about a days worth of stuff left...I hope he gets back to me soon.

Did you just get done taking steroids and forgot to take your pct?

[jeepman]

Did you just get done taking steroids and forgot to take your pct?

uhh...no, haven't done any steriods...ever.


I did go back to the dr. today and told him it didn't seem to be working. He didn't do any additional testing, but he switched me to androgel, and told me to give that a try for about a month or so. So...we'll see.

[UpstateNY]

Jeepman,
I started out at 5g androgel and noticed a difference in how I felt and my sex drive in about 7 days. It was very noticable for me. Due to my labs, I was moved up to 10g but my insurance switched me to Test E. injections. The downside is that my doc has me taking 100mg every 2 wks and I don't feel as good so far. I've only had the one injection bu the way I feel is noticably different. Less sex drive, less energy, etc. Seems each peson may react differently to each product, dose and time frame. Give your Dr copies of the articles at the top of the page(stickies) or ask to be referred to an Endocronologist. Hopefully you have one experienced in HRT locally. I like my Dr. but I found another who specializes in HRT. I'm waiting for a consult!
Best of luck and please keep us posted!

[Ufa]

Blood work= good.

[Teabagger]

I am interesting in making my own. I have posted that numerous times on teh forum and no one really responds to me. What gives? Hate to hijack, but the pharmacy here in town make their own gel at whatever percent and it comes in a pushout tube, they can do it in an hour. I want to know how thats done adn how to do it myself.

I don't know bro....Check the lab forum if you haven't already.

[jeepman]

alright...here is an update.

found a new dr. and she agreed that androgel is pretty much worthless, and put my on 50mg of testosterone tabs, twice a day. I place these tabs under my tongue and let dissolve. I did bloodwork, and go back and three weeks.

anyone know anything about these tabs?

[Sta11ion]

50 mg testosterone tabs, that doesnt sound right tell me which ones they are that seems extremely high and also they dont use tabs for hrt. I know of only creams and injectible unless I am wrong.

[Teabagger]

alright...here is an update.

found a new dr. and she agreed that androgel is pretty much worthless, and put my on 50mg of testosterone tabs, twice a day. I place these tabs under my tongue and let dissolve. I did bloodwork, and go back and three weeks.

anyone know anything about these tabs?

No bro I haven't. Orals are pretty much out of favor because they are hard on the ole liver....is it a prescription, natural, what is it? I'd be careful with orals...if the gel wasn't working how you liked I'd demand injectibles and if she won't do it, find a doc who will.

[Ufa]

No bro I haven't. Orals are pretty much out of favor because they are hard on the ole liver....is it a prescription, natural, what is it? I'd be careful with orals...if the gel wasn't working how you liked I'd demand injectibles and if she won't do it, find a doc who will.

Yea! Tell your Doc you are concerned about your liver. They will understand.
Orals and gells are worthless. Before your next blood test don't put any
gel on. Your test will be almost zero.

[jeepman]

50 mg testosterone tabs, that doesnt sound right tell me which ones they are that seems extremely high and also they dont use tabs for hrt. I know of only creams and injectible unless I am wrong.

The bottle states "Tab testosterone 50mg tab trit." and then directions are take two daily, let disolve under tongue.

The dr. stated that she was going to put me on a dose 10x what the other dr had me on with the androgel stuff. She said she will take me to the point of being aggressive and then back down. I've been taking the tabs now for 6 days, and I thought the first few days things were looking better. I was waking up with some of the meanest morning woods I can remember ever having. And now the last two days...back to nothing. I really think part of my problems steam from my gym workouts. The days I wake up with no wood, are the days directly following a heavy workout.

[jeepman]

OK....back to the dr. today.

First we went over lab results...and I have included link to those below. Keep in mind these test were taken while on 10mg does of androgel.

Basically she didn't say a whole heck of a lot...pointed out the things that are low or high on the test, and a simple explanation as to why. She has prescribed something else from the compounding pharmacy and I have listed the ingredients to that out as well. Anyways...just looking for input. I am still tired all the time, no sex drive, no morning wood...then with the help of cialis I am able to perform...but takes forever to reach climax, and even on the cialis it still takes a long time to achieve a full erection.

She also mentioned that my white and red cells counts where low, and that would be a lack of iron, and that she would add something to the perscribtion to help with that. Well..what I don't get...is why would my cell count be low because of iron...I take a good multi everyday, as well as ZMA every night before bed. Seems like I would be getting plenty of zinc.

Here is what the lable says on what I am taking now...

test75 /D25 /MT5 /ZN25MG /SEL10MCG (take one cap, twice a day)

lab results...

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[balin]

Your estrodiol levels are pretty low as well which can have an adverse effect on libido. As well as your cholesterol levels, are they in a good range.

[jeepman]

Cholesterol was on the high side for the bad...I think it was 145. I will double check that when I get home. I don't understand that either...I have a good diet, and work out 4-5 times weekly.

[Ufa]

Looks like an expensive blood test!

[zaggahamma]

Looks like an expensive blood test!

they're all expensive...we're still waitin on that lab you're going to open and give all of us a break

[Ufa]

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[Oasis]

As for your estradiol level is exactly where you want it to be. The opimal level for estradiol in a male is between 15-25. Saw in a previous post that estradiol being low would have a adverse effect on libido and that is only if the estrogen would be high. If it were high what is happening is that your body is turning the testosterone that you are supplementing with to estrogen which doesn't seem to be your case. When estrogen levels are low this tends to effect bone density. This is also good because from the method gels and creams that you are using tend to convert to estrogen easier but are more preferred by most doctors because of keeping constant levels of testosterone. Free testosterone also looks good. You may be used to a higher level of testosterone that is why you may not be responding that great. You may also want to add some DHEA or Pregnanolone to your program to help stablize the levels a little more.

On a side note not to side track the post or take away from the information Ufa we do all of the testing for $260 which covers what you got done and more through LabCorp.

[jeepman]

Thanks everyone once again...

I would have to say that I do feel a little better. Morning wood was kinda present, and I feel I like I would probably be able to arise to the main event if needed. Don't know about actually reaching climax, but hopefully I'll test that out tomorrow, if I get a chance to spend sometime with the little woman.

I do still feel tired all the time...and lots of time I just wonder if me being tired is takes away from the disire for anything else. hell...if I am tired, I don't feel like doing much of anything. This week I have noticed that I am really really tired...and more so than normal, and no desire to hit the gym. I went to bed last night around 10ish, and slept solid until 8, and still felt tired most of the day. However, it's also very very hot this week 100+ and I kinda think that plays a big part as well.


As far as the tests go....all of this is covered on my insurance, so at this point I just go where the doc says and let the insurance handle the rest.

Also...I think the latest cocktail she has me on contains DHEA...I remember her saying she was going to add two other hormones to it. She didn't explain a whole lot, but the phar tecgh did a pretty decent job. I was hoping the lable would have a little more on it...but it lists out the following....

test75 /D25 /MT5 /ZN25MG /SEL10MCG (take one cap, twice a day)

[Mobligator]

test75 /D25 /MT5 /ZN25MG /SEL10MCG (take one cap, twice a day)

Looks like Testosterone 75 mg; DHEA 25 mg; Melatonin 5 mg; Zinc 25 mg; Selenium 10MCG. You can get the DHEA, Melatonin, Zinc and Selenium from WalMart at the best prices but I'd suggest the Vit E with Selenium. Sometimes a lack of Vit B-12 will also cause a person to be tired, i.e. providing your B-12 is low. You might want to ask about it.

[Oasis]

I agree with the last post about the B Vitamins. HRT has been know to deplete them and is always good to supplement so you do not become deficient. As for the DHEA yes you can purchase at Walmart but for quality purposes you are better off getting it from the pharmacy that you are using.

[boxingbean]

really?? a gel??? wow, my buddy went to his doc because of same reason...and the doc prescribed him test CYPIONATE n shoots him up...but its a low low dose i assume cus its been 7 months and he not bigger...not fatter..nothing..

guess he had a decreased hormone level or sum shit

[zaggahamma]

really?? a gel??? wow, my buddy went to his doc because of same reason...and the doc prescribed him test CYPIONATE n shoots him up...but its a low low dose i assume cus its been 7 months and he not bigger...not fatter..nothing..

guess he had a decreased hormone level or sum shit

yes, even if the doc gives injects like cyp, the doses on TRT are usually very low and are designed to get low test levels up to 500-600 and not really meant for quick growth. My script is for 200mg every 3 weeks. But I jab myself

[boxingbean]

ahh...i can see clearly now...cuz i always said "bro....go WORKOUT n get huge while ur on it...but eh...that xplains alot..

but yet n still..i dont see how a gel can work..

well..yohimburn worked for me a lil....hmm....very lil...

[jeepman]

what are the chances that this product could be causing some of my problems?

https://www.xandrox.com/X15%20FAQ's.htm

it's a topical scalp solution.

[Ufa]

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[Teabagger]

I'd say about 80%. Be careful of the over the counter stuff and
make sure what you take does not interact with other meds.

Why? Explain...are you familiar with this compound?

[jeepman]

yes, please explain. and it's not an over the counter product.

From all the reviews on hair forums and such, this is a great product, and the Dr. that produces this product is very respected in the industry.

thanks.

[Mobligator]

[QUOTE=jeepman]OK....back to the dr. today.

First we went over lab results...and I have included link to those below. Keep in mind these test were taken while on 10mg does of androgel.

Basically she didn't say a whole heck of a lot...pointed out the things that are low or high on the test, and a simple explanation as to why. She has prescribed something else from the compounding pharmacy and I have listed the ingredients to that out as well. Anyways...just looking for input. I am still tired all the time, no sex drive, no morning wood...then with the help of cialis I am able to perform...but takes forever to reach climax, and even on the cialis it still takes a long time to achieve a full erection.

She also mentioned that my white and red cells counts where low, and that would be a lack of iron, and that she would add something to the perscribtion to help with that. Well..what I don't get...is why would my cell count be low because of iron...I take a good multi everyday, as well as ZMA every night before bed. Seems like I would be getting plenty of zinc.

Here is what the lable says on what I am taking now...

test75 /D25 /MT5 /ZN25MG /SEL10MCG (take one cap, twice a day)

lab results...

jeepman,

I just went over your very thorough blood work and I'd be willing to give my left nut to get the same results you have. However I believe your doc ought to take another look at your RBC because it is not low; 5.07 in a range of 4.2-6.10. Your WBC is low but only .5 (five tenths) and that can be easily corrected by taking some Folic Acid. Take one or two tabs of 400 mcg folic acid every day until your next blood work and I'll guarantee you your WBC will go up to normal. A lack of iron doesn't affect your white count inso far as I am aware but it would affect your hemoglobin which just happens to be very much in the normal range. Your hematocrits are only one tenth of a point low and is nothing to worry about. Hematocrits are the percentage of the amount of blood that is occupied by red blood cells that are packed together. Your MCV and MCH are normal so the crits might be just an anomaly. The day before and the day of your next blood test drink a lot of water and it should bring up the volume of blood enough to make up one tenth. You could try taking some iron tabs a couple, three days a week for awhile but unless you have a "serum ferritin"test that shows you are low on iron you probably don't need it. Once your body gets enough iron, it stores it up for quite a while so you don't want to over do it. If you up your testosterone to 100 mg it will most likely put all of your blood work in the normal ranges, maybe even raise your RBC to the high end of the range.
You might want to have the blood flow to your penis checked if you're having erection problems, esp while taking Cialis. Also some of your symptoms sound very similar to depression. FYI, Check out the following site: http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/...sfunction.html

[Ufa]

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