Test/Deca Bloodwork results...

[zaggahamma]

I did bloodwork after being on Test Cyp 200mg/wk and Deca 150 mg/wk for
2 1/2 weeks... I was looking for a mid range total test level because I've been hearing that the deca will bring your test level down.

Total test was 1022

This is down from the 1300 that i was at on 300mg Test without the deca where I was also high on estro (65).

Unfortunately the estro on this most current bloodwork will be a few more days.

One question I have is which is a better anabolic dose 400mg Test alone (but with an estro blocker) or 200mg Test/150mg Deca? Or is it not just that simple?

Any opinions are greatly appreciated

[doublefister]

You are on TRT being on such low doses am I correct? If you do 400mg test then you will be doing a cycle and if you are trying to gain mass then thats the way to go instead of doing TRT dosages.

TRT dosages will just keep you normal and keep you from having side effects of having low test levels. I would also always use an AI to keep estrogen buildup in everything you do that includes test.

[Spyke]

What are your goals here? If you wanna do a cycle then 400mg of test with an AI would be the way to go.

In any case, this would not be a good long term HRT plan but would work as a cycle to make some gains.

[zaggahamma]

What are your goals here? If you wanna do a cycle then 400mg of test with an AI would be the way to go.

In any case, this would not be a good long term HRT plan but would work as a cycle to make some gains.

No doubt I'll need TRT til the cows come home....so I am yes interested in the best way to get 5-10 lbs of LBM to increase my metabolism to shed 10-15 pounds of FAT.
Since I've started TRT about 41/2 mos ago, I have lost about 10 lbs and increased strength slightly....and feeling leaner, but still feels gradual....back to a post I just saw about patience I guess.
So either way I go...more test with AI or test and deca (which I'm doing now) I am not going to keep that as my TRT forever. Once I achieve my goal as stated above I would be happy to maintain.
Think I covered everything...thanks again

[UpstateNY]

Just remember, Test in it's true form is an androgen. You'll get only so much growth from it without high levels, based on what I've read. It's the other benefits that come with it that are so helpful for those of us with low natural levels of test. Genetics will play a role especially with Test only.

[bringndaheat]

Everything I have read say's Deca helps solidify gains made on Test. Everyone I know will not run a compound without Deca in it. I use deca in mine because the way it reacts with the joints..... Makes u feel like you got a lube job!

As for free test levels that can vary depending on several factors. First off how long have you been on??

[zaggahamma]

today makes 3 full weeks

[Ufa]

I did bloodwork after being on Test Cyp 200mg/wk and Deca 150 mg/wk for
2 1/2 weeks... I was looking for a mid range total test level because I've been hearing that the deca will bring your test level down.

Total test was 1022

This is down from the 1300 that i was at on 300mg Test without the deca where I was also high on estro (65).

Unfortunately the estro on this most current bloodwork will be a few more days.

One question I have is which is a better anabolic dose 400mg Test alone (but with an estro blocker) or 200mg Test/150mg Deca? Or is it not just that simple?

Any opinions are greatly appreciated

I forgot to ask; How long after last shot did you get blood tested?

[rtpassionz]

Just curious, how much do the blood tests cost to check all these stats?

[rtpassionz]

Wondering, because I'm interested in doing it also. thanks

[zaggahamma]

I forgot to ask; How long after last shot did you get blood tested?

hey bro....i took this blood test right smack dab in the middle of just starting this dose (200test/150deca)....wanted an accurate figure....so since i'm jabbing every 4 days now it couldn't have been to far away from the last shot...
i'll prob have the estro back tommorrow, too
what do you think will give a better anabolic effect good hearty dose of test with AI or test/deca ?

[zaggahamma]

Wondering, because I'm interested in doing it also. thanks

no prob bro....i have been lucky enough for mine to be covered with my insurance i'm sure that's due to having been diagnosed with hypogonadism
($15 copays each is all)...this last one is with a new insurance co. that my wife's job got switched with and they have a deductible so I might get socked on this one but it goes toward the total deductible that has to be paid anyway...
but oasis just posted on another thread if you don't have insurance they write scripts for a big list of blood tests for $260....not sure if you have to be30 years old to get that done or not...i think that is a requirement to be a patient anyway....there is another place that gives you a better deal than paying lab prices..heres the link ....
http://www.healthcheckusa.com/
hope this helps bro

[bringndaheat]

Jpkman I really believe they have a synergistic effect. I don't know the right answer but my body really loves the deca . But then again I heard that deca can really mess up your bloodwork. Keep us posted.....what is important is how you feel. HOw are your pumps in the gym. ARe you hungry while on the compounds. Sex drive better....... Has your overall sense of well being changed??

[Ufa]

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[Teabagger]

What is your diet like? Test alone will help you achieve some physical benefits without doing anything. You get more benefits if you exercise and lift, but to get the full bang for the buck, tweek up your diet and lift. Look at the diet forums. There is a thread about how to put on some mass, and lose some fat...hard to do...but over the long haul, for most of our goals it can be done. Before upping test, or continuing Deca ...I'd just play with diet for about 4 weeks and see what happens. Always remember with any compound whether its aspirin, vitamins, or AAS, you want to use the least amount possible to gain the desired results...your organs will thank you.

[zaggahamma]

The Deca , But, if high estro levels come back protect your self from gyno.
I read that the ratio os test to estro is most important. (keeping in mind
a little estro is good.)

thanks for chiming buddy....ESTRO IS BACK....just got it today...holy fvkin skyscrapers batman....estro 78! WTF!
Higher now with the deca...I stayed after with the nurse and discussed this elevated girly hormone and asked her to help prevent me from the dreaded manzier (gyno in case any didn't get that one)
one of the nurses went back to the doc and came back with a paper once again with 60X0 writtten on it and saying this is a good otc med for this....i told them i can't afford that shiat...i want a RX for 'dex as my insurance covers this for 90 days where i pay 50.00....ran out of time and had to go p/u my chillin from school...so they are working on getting the doc to write that...wish me luck
btw aside from the good test level and bad estro level....i really have been feeling ok on a wellness/health point of view...little tired mid day...but don't think sleep is great and attribute the tiredness to that...wood not worth braggin about...maybe improve when estro comes down
thanks ufa

[DSM4Life]

Test Cyp 200mg/wk and Deca 150 mg/wk for
2 1/2 weeks

Let us know when you start a cycle

[zaggahamma]

What is your diet like? Test alone will help you achieve some physical benefits without doing anything. You get more benefits if you exercise and lift, but to get the full bang for the buck, tweek up your diet and lift. Look at the diet forums. There is a thread about how to put on some mass, and lose some fat...hard to do...but over the long haul, for most of our goals it can be done. Before upping test, or continuing Deca...I'd just play with diet for about 4 weeks and see what happens. Always remember with any compound whether its aspirin, vitamins, or AAS, you want to use the least amount possible to gain the desired results...your organs will thank you.

thanks for chiming TB....actually diet to be honest not so great....poor right now and trying to get buy on cheap shiat...oats/tuna my strong point...as they go a long way and i love oatmeal, oatbran, cream of wheat, but my protein macros are not to be mentioned and even ....i'll be straightened out soon and be adding salmon, tilapia, other lean meats in the mix....right now i'm following more of a food pyramid type diet and my calories are averaging around 2700-2800 a day and I am 6'3" 239 probably 16-20% BF....i actually wanted to lose weight/fat the whole time since I started TRT(4 mos ago) and before....when I started trt I was 250....so I think I'm getting there gradually oh and i do lift and have gotten slightly stronger ew while losing weight...ultimate goal at this point is probably 220-230 lbs and or 10-15% BF
thanks again TB

[zaggahamma]

Let us know when you start a cycle

you mean a bit more juice?

[DSM4Life]

Just seems like a waste. You aren't running a lot of test and your diet as you put it is "poor ." How can you expect to gain anything ?

[zaggahamma]

Just seems like a waste. You aren't running a lot of test and your diet as you put it is "poor ." How can you expect to gain anything ?

oh, i thought at first you meant i wasn't running a real cycle and being sarcastic and i didn't think i posted my diet until after your first post..
and actually i wasn't complaining of not seeing any results..i stated i had lost weight and gained strength....my main topic of the thread was asking opinions on what would bring a better anabolic dose....do you have an opinion on just the two doses?

[DSM4Life]

oh, i thought at first you meant i wasn't running a real cycle and being sarcastic and i didn't think i posted my diet until after your first post..
and actually i wasn't complaining of not seeing any results..i stated i had lost weight and gained strength....my main topic of the thread was asking opinions on what would bring a better anabolic dose....do you have an opinion on just the two doses?

You say you want to gain weight "5-10lbs" then you say you want to lose weight. Seems like a dog trying to catch his tail. Make a goal and cycle around it. If you want to gain you do a bulk diet and "gain cycle". To use weight you use different gear with a totally different diet. I think you are jumping into this way too fast. I been there too so i am not just trying to chew your eat off just looking out for you man, goodluck.

[zaggahamma]

You say you want to gain weight "5-10lbs" then you say you want to lose weight. Seems like a dog trying to catch his tail. Make a goal and cycle around it. If you want to gain you do a bulk diet and "gain cycle". To use weight you use different gear with a totally different diet. I think you are jumping into this way too fast. I been there too so i am not just trying to chew your eat off just looking out for you man, goodluck.

preciate it bro....i've came along way with my diet already and it's getting better and i know that/how impo it is but i am still gradually leaning out without having to bulk first...the thought of gaining weight first really terrified me with being 250 and probably over 20%....so coming from there i have to be satisfied....already got me some whey now and got some money coming in now for some good whole foods/protiens...already had enough oats...lol....i've got good things to look forward to....thanks for the approach
now how about the dose i'm already taking...looks like i need an AI either way anyway...so I guess it's looking like TB said and you know....probably shouldn't up the test....just improve diet and add the AI

[zaggahamma]

lucky dog i was today....good stuff approved...ARIMIDEX 1 MG ....30 day supply with 3 refills...30 days if i take 1mg every day which brings me to my question...

What dose do you guys reccomend I should be taking. I was actually told at first that 'dex won't bring my estro down but it will keep it from causing the negative sides that come with the high estro....then he said it might make it come down? I guess either way...it's going to do me good....but just looking for suggestions or insight thanks

[Ufa]

lucky dog i was today....good stuff approved...ARIMIDEX 1 MG ....30 day supply with 3 refills...30 days if i take 1mg every day which brings me to my question...

What dose do you guys reccomend I should be taking. I was actually told at first that 'dex won't bring my estro down but it will keep it from causing the negative sides that come with the high estro....then he said it might make it come down? I guess either way...it's going to do me good....but just looking for suggestions or insight thanks

This is scientific link about arimidex. What was your estrogen level??
arimidex will increase test--check out link--

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...85/7/2370#SEC2

[zaggahamma]

This is scientific link about arimidex . What was your estrogen level??
arimidex will increase test--check out link--

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...85/7/2370#SEC2

bro it was up to 78 on the test200/deca150....got my stuff though can u belive he wrote it same guy that only gave my the otc 60X0 recommendation last time when estro was 65...so happy bout that bro...shiat is expensive w/o insurance.....hope it's my missing link....think i can bump the test again now i got it? or stay steady
also weird thing lately with my computer...seems like AR is the only website that isn't fvcked up on my computer....keep having to run fvckin debugs and anti V's and shit....my freakin pc needs TRT
but i read the profile here and have researched it here b4 and my insurance company has a profile on it....i think the guy at the clinic had it mixed up with another estro product cuz when i went back to check it said it reduces
estro by 50%.

[zaggahamma]

bump on a reccomended dose for my 'dex

[bringndaheat]

quote "Just seems like a waste. You aren't running a lot of test and your diet as you put it is "poor ." How can you expect to gain anything " DSM4life. These are the ignorant remarks I am talking about. Anyone that says running 200mgs of test is not enough must be just flat out ignorant. The guy is on HRT his goal is not to be the next Arnold. Stick around bro and see the effects that small doses can have on a person. These doses put him over a 1000 on test levels. Are your receptors so messed up that 1gram of test won't get you over a 1000 on test levels??

Originally Posted by DSM4Life
You say you want to gain weight "5-10lbs" then you say you want to lose weight. Seems like a dog trying to catch his tail. Make a goal and cycle around it. If you want to gain you do a bulk diet and "gain cycle". To use weight you use different gear with a totally different diet. I think you are jumping into this way too fast. I been there too so i am not just trying to chew your eat off just looking out for you man, goodluck.

Bro, he is not on a cycle. What planet are you on....... The DR. is not giving him a choice of 100 different types of gear. When he says he wants to gain weight it's lean body mass. When he talks about losing weight he means body fat. Also before you talk about somones diet understand where they came from and where they are....... Rome was not built in a day. A person that used to eat butterfingers all day that now eats three good square meals a day is making great progress...... everyones diet can be better but it called progress not perfection.

Anyway JPKman take 1mg a day for the next 15 days and then get tested. I would really like to know how that works out for you. Also please tell me if you start to get tired for the increase in Arimidex ......as I did. I took it at 1mg a day on my docs advise. Best of luck and keep us posted.

[zaggahamma]

quote "Just seems like a waste. You aren't running a lot of test and your diet as you put it is "poor ." How can you expect to gain anything " DSM4life. These are the ignorant remarks I am talking about. Anyone that says running 200mgs of test is not enough must be just flat out ignorant. The guy is on HRT his goal is not to be the next Arnold. Stick around bro and see the effects that small doses can have on a person. These doses put him over a 1000 on test levels. Are your receptors so messed up that 1gram of test won't get you over a 1000 on test levels??

Originally Posted by DSM4Life
You say you want to gain weight "5-10lbs" then you say you want to lose weight. Seems like a dog trying to catch his tail. Make a goal and cycle around it. If you want to gain you do a bulk diet and "gain cycle". To use weight you use different gear with a totally different diet. I think you are jumping into this way too fast. I been there too so i am not just trying to chew your eat off just looking out for you man, goodluck.

Bro, he is not on a cycle. What planet are you on....... The DR. is not giving him a choice of 100 different types of gear. When he says he wants to gain weight it's lean body mass. When he talks about losing weight he means body fat. Also before you talk about somones diet understand where they came from and where they are....... Rome was not built in a day. A person that used to eat butterfingers all day that now eats three good square meals a day is making great progress...... everyones diet can be better but it called progress not perfection.

Anyway JPKman take 1mg a day for the next 15 days and then get tested. I would really like to know how that works out for you. Also please tell me if you start to get tired for the increase in Arimidex......as I did. I took it at 1mg a day on my docs advise. Best of luck and keep us posted.

Thanks for chiming BDH...actually that's what the script is wrote for (to take 1 mg ED) I thought it was a bit much coming from my regular uro doc and called my HRT clinic and was advised to take 1 mg 3 times a week so I thought I would get a few more ppl here to chime in some of the guys in HRT that have been on for a while and have good results with their own personal doses and then decide 4 myself....thanks for your .02 always appreciated
was hopin for a few more suggestions as well
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[zaggahamma]

also wanted to update...i might have labeled my diet at the time as poor and probably should have said more like almost clean i guess i was too hard on myself as i see some of the diets that are followed by the BB's on this site....not sure if i'll ever NOT drink milk or cut out fruits, etc.
But as of yesterday diet will be even better now in terms of being able to add whey and whole lean proteins as well....probably where the diet was lacking before was my protein macros were probably only 20-25%....I'll probably be able to get them around 40 now. Since I WAS seeing gradual weight loss with my prior diet with added strength I will be looking for a little better now...If not maybe I'll get a little more detailed in the diet forum and get some help there...thanks again...but
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[Ufa]

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[zaggahamma]

jpkman-- I assume the estro of 78 is not Estrodial or E-2.

78 on estro is not bad (the scale I got was and thing under 130. Are you
sure you are not talking about estrodial or E-2. Because the doses would
be a lot different. For a E-2 reading of 78 (mine was 15) you are gonna
need 1mg per day. If the 78 is estrogen you really don't need it at all.
Or at best a small amount. I'm confused.

sorry bout confusion...i thought they were the same animal...no IT IS ESTRADIOL and it's 78 (out of range).... 54 being the high....
so 1mg ED til next blood or for a couple weeks then i can taper to EOD?
thks ufa

[Ufa]

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[zaggahamma]

I take .5 mg arimidex ED and my estradiol is 15. Take a whole one. It
will make you feel so dam good. Estrogen sucks. The ratio of test to
estrogen is as high as 50:1 in young teenagers. Get young.

You get your blood tested so frequently I don't think you will have any
problems. Don't worry about the worry warts that will try to scare you
into taking a sliver every few days. You might also consider taking zinc.
I take 50 mgs every day. Sometimes test will aromatize into estro with a
zinc defficiency.

PS. I've been off Deca and Anvar for almost a month. Just test and GH.
Might go off GH for a month. I might go off test after that. I would like
to see what my ' natty level' is.

cool bro...thanks again...that's 2 that said 1mg ED for my condition...anyone else please...no more than 1mg, right?
and ufa about your estradiol of 15 and your dose....was it higher at some point that you know of and you got it down with that dose of just took it all along and that's where you're level stays? 15 is not too low? you think i'll notice a BIG difference in a week?

[LuckyDragon]

Had a question. Does taking an additional steroid affect your testosterone level, if you are already on TRT? Im taking Trenbolone right now, but with only 120mg of test a week and am wondering if it will make the test level look lower or higher on the blood test(or not affect it at all). Thanks

[zaggahamma]

good ?....i was told that deca would lower my T or possibly anyway but when i was on test 300mg a week by itslelf my T was at 1300....now i'm on test 200mg a week and deca 150mg a week and my T was at 1000...so i'm not sure if the less dose of test or the added deca caused the lower T and i have no knowledge about tren other than it is supposed to be powerful stuff

[Ufa]

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[zaggahamma]

I posted a link. 1 mg per day is not going to hurt any body. Especially
someone who get their blood tested as frequently as you. Next time
you get blood tested wait one week from last injection. You are skewing
your results. It will be easier to get a baseline fit you get bloodwork done
a week after. Yes you will feel results almost instantly. (with in a few
days). My estrogen level was 257. This stuff will work.

thanks again ufa...i took it 1mg ED so far today will be day 3....i'll stay ED for now....but I know i used to get bloodwork often but i'm not sure if i'll be able to do that with the new insurance so i'll need to get a really good accurate one the next time when i see my family doc so you say to wait 1 week for the blood test....so since i jab twice a week, i guess i should just skip one inject....ok....i thought it would have been more accurate if i did it right in the middle of my doses....it seemed pretty close since i was at 1300 with 300mg Test and then 1000 with 200mg...but what were you thinking that the deca should have brought it down more?
how you feelin since being off most everything?