Whats considered High Estradiol levels for males? Mine is 40....

[Billytk03z]

I am 33 year old male, 6'0", 185lb, 6% bf (thats me in avatar) I have had low libido/sex drive for the past year (no problems with erection just low libido).... I have recently had my blood work tested and my test came back-

testosterone (serum) 745, free (20.3)... very good
Leutinizing Hormone- 3.7
Dhea-s- 206
Estradiol- 40..... (ref> 0-52)


***my cortisol levels are out of whack too (Low AM/noon cortisol, High evening/late nite cortisol), doc thinks I may have adrenal fatigue

I was told that my E2 levels are kind a high for being so low in Body Fat...... and that could be giving me my libido probs..... any ideas?

[Kale]

Its possible. High Estrogen will cause libido issues but yours is in range. You could try 0.25mg of Arimidex every two days and see if that helps, that will drop your estrogen down to about 15 or 20 I reckon. Given your test levels are great thats about the only advice I can give you. What is the Dr suggesting you do for the Estrogen ?

[Kale]

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[Billytk03z]

nothing!! The doc actually wants to give me some more testosterone believe it or not to help with the libido! LOL!!! I declined.....

Also I think my test levels are artificial...... I have always had low normal test in 300/400's for as long as I can remember ( 389 serum as of 4 months ago) but recently prior to this past blood test which was a month ago I used vitrix (trib ter) stacked with zinc and amazingly my test levels rose to the 700's..... anyway Ill give the arimidix a try... how long do I use arimidex for?

[Kale]

nothing!! The doc actually wants to give me some more testosterone believe it or not to help with the libido! LOL!!! I declined.....

Also I think my test levels are artificial...... I have always had low normal test in 300/400's for as long as I can remember ( 389 serum as of 4 months ago) but recently prior to this past blood test which was a month ago I used vitrix (trib ter) stacked with zinc and amazingly my test levels rose to the 700's..... anyway Ill give the arimidix a try... how long do I use arimidex for?

Give it a go for a month and see if it makes a difference... You knocked back free Test from a Dr ? Bad Boy

[Billytk03z]

I can still get the test easy and anytime, she always keeps offering it to me when I go in for appts.... the reason why I did turn it down is because that within the last 2 months my hair started thinning/minaturizing pretty quickly and I dont know if its cuz of the rise in test from the trib (I dont care what anyone else says about tribulus terestris but My sex drive shot up using it and so did my test levels) Also I dont know if the adrenal fatigue or estrogen levels playing are playing a part in my hair probs...... Worried about the hair.... LOL

What about Novaldex? how is that compared to arimidex......

[Kale]

I can still get the test easy and anytime, she always keeps offering it to me when I go in for appts.... the reason why I did turn it down is because that within the last 2 months my hair started thinning/minaturizing pretty quickly and I dont know if its cuz of the rise in test from the trib (I dont care what anyone else says about tribulus terestris but My sex drive shot up using it and so did my test levels) Also I dont know if the adrenal fatigue or estrogen levels playing are playing a part in my hair probs...... Worried about the hair.... LOL

What about Novaldex? how is that compared to arimidex......

They will both work but Arimidex is way better at it. Read about Arimdex here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199820 and Nolvadex here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199821 Also if you are worried about the hair you can try Propecia it blocks the DHT that is created by Test that causes the hair loss. Proscar is the same thing but five times stronger.

[Ufa]

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[Billytk03z]

Ufa,

so you think my prob wit libido may be from the estrogen? Im gonna take Kale's advice and hop on arimidex.......

[Ufa]

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[lowt]

My estogen level is 325, I have just started on arimadex, hoping it makes me feel good.

[Ufa]

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[Billytk03z]

doesnt Arimidex increase your test levels while decreasing your E2 levels...

[Kale]

doesnt Arimidex increase your test levels while decreasing your E2 levels...

Yes it can, is that an issue ?

[Billytk03z]

not a problem...............

[Billytk03z]

heres a wierd thing that has happened to me that I cant figure out....
that is me in Avatar, about 6% bf....... anyway in the last couple months I developed "crease lines" in my stomach from when I sit or bend for an extended period of time... I have never had that before.......I get a crease line that runs across the belly button and I get another that is about 6-7 inches above the belly button... its annoying as hell... after waking up in the morning from sleeping my stomach is nice and tight with no lines, but after I sit down and then stand the creases form from where my skin bends... I have had no weight fluctuations at all in the past 3 years, I have always been ripped around 5-6% bf, these crease lines are something new that has started within the last 4-5 months or so..... could this have something to do with estrogen????????

If I decide to request and get the test from my doc, which test supp should I ask for? she pretty much gives me anything I want......

[Kale]

heres a wierd thing that has happened to me that I cant figure out....
that is me in Avatar, about 6% bf....... anyway in the last couple months I developed "crease lines" in my stomach from when I sit or bend for an extended period of time... I have never had that before.......I get a crease line that runs across the belly button and I get another that is about 6-7 inches above the belly button... its annoying as hell... after waking up in the morning from sleeping my stomach is nice and tight with no lines, but after I sit down and then stand the creases form from where my skin bends... I have had no weight fluctuations at all in the past 3 years, I have always been ripped around 5-6% bf, these crease lines are something new that has started within the last 4-5 months or so..... could this have something to do with estrogen????????

If I decide to request and get the test from my doc, which test supp should I ask for? she pretty much gives me anything I want......

Can answer thr wrinkle question, but I would bet both testicles, as old and wrinkly as they are, that it was not caused be Estrogen.
Ask for Testosterone Enanthate, she will only give you HRT doses though which should be 100mg per week minimum. Dont let her do it once every two or four weeks as you wont get the real benefit.

[cozz]

I would recommend not taking any test from the dr, as with your current levels it doesnt look as low test is the problem (unless you want to stock pile it for a cycle ). If you take exogenous test it will only shut down your HPTA - 100mg a week will put your levels to around the same as you are getting naturally.

You should get some more tests to determine possible causes - it could be adrenal fatigue or possibly thyroid - both can affect libido.

[Billytk03z]

I was told that I have adrenal fatigue according to my salive cortisol test results......

my libido is in the crapper............ I still think 40 estradiol is too high tho!!

[cozz]

I was told that I have adrenal fatigue according to my salive cortisol test results......

my libido is in the crapper............ I still think 40 estradiol is too high tho!!

Ask your Dr for a 24hr cortisol test - it will determine adrenal fatigue. For Thyroid - get blood tests for TSH, Free T3, Free T4 & post your results.

Estradiol could be slighty elavated - most guys feel best between 10-30 ...ultimate 20, although varies by individual

[Billytk03z]

getting new blood work will post results.........

[Billytk03z]

got my latest bloodwork back and my estrogen went up 3 points from 40 to 43.... my doc put me on arimidex 1/2mg every 3 days........

my DHEA-s is low... it dropped from 206 to 180.... doc wants me to take 10mg DHEA a day.......

[zaggahamma]

got my latest bloodwork back and my estrogen went up 3 points from 40 to 43.... my doc put me on arimidex 1/2mg every 3 days........

my DHEA-s is low... it dropped from 206 to 180.... doc wants me to take 10mg DHEA a day.......

that's interesting bill...you made me look back at some of my blood work and i actually had dhea on one of my earlier pre hrt tests and it is also low (174)...i was taking it a while back with my hrt test doses and didn't notice any difference and stopped taking...how important do you think that level is...i guess we're still in range but on the low side?

[Billytk03z]

from what my doc told me is that DHEA is the mother hormone of all other hormones...... She suspects that DHEA can affect libido, test and Estrogen, cortisol, etc.....

Im afraid of taking it because of the big chance of e conversion but since I am on arimidex I may give it a go.....

but from what I gathered on these boards about Dhea is that most people didnt notice anything from it or had acne problems....so am I kinda confused right now.....

One thing is that my cortisol levels are out of whack and that will suppress dhea production... doc thinks I am adrenal fatigued

[zaggahamma]

thanks again billy...i'll at least finish the bottle and go from there i had not even noticed that i was low even when i was taking it...guess my cortisol was ok i had it checked because i couldn't lose body fat esp. central and thought it could be the prob but the test/'dex has helped already...

take care

[ironaddict69]

so, billy, what are you gunna do for your adrenal fatigue?
i have it too i have to take cortef till my adrenals heal.

[bigsteve33]

Could one of you guys briefly describe what adrenal fatigue is? symptoms? effects?

[Billytk03z]

my doc prescribed cortef to me... told me to take it 3 x day at 5mg doses...... I havent dropped off the script yet.... my workouts suck, no stamina... I did the taboo recently, I took ephedra and caffeine the last few days and my gains and workouts have been far better... I am not feeling the great energy effects of ephedra like I use to because of the adrenal fatigue but I am getting a decent stimulatory effect to push me through my workouts....

"Vaso-constriction - Cortisol contracts mid-size arteries. People with low cortisol (as in advance stages of adrenal fatigue) have low blood pressure and reduced reactivity to other body agents that constrict blood vessels. Cortisol tends to increase blood pressure that is moderated by calcium and magnesium" ***this is why ephedra/caffeine lost its total effects on me

ironaddict, does the cortef help you energy wise and mood at all?

bigsteve, adrenal fatigue is when your adrenal glands that produce cortisol become over worked... symptoms are extreme fatigue, loss of strength, insomnia, low libido, dry skin, thin wispy/thinning scalp hair, decrease in auxillary body hair, etc... also adrenal fatigue will usually induce hypo thyroid symptoms.... when adrenally fatigued the body doesnt use hormones properly or effectively....

heres a link that explains it all..
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_do...al_fatigue.cfm

[bigsteve33]

Thanks Billy - that helps! I'm gonna get my blood work done and see if my symptoms are actually adrenal fatigue.

[Ufa]

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[Billytk03z]

Ufa,

so does 1/2mg every 3 days sound about right for taking arimidex....

[zaggahamma]

It's the relationship between test and estro that makes all the difference
in the world. Lower your E2 (estrodial) to 20. Mine is 15. You will then
become "king of the jungle". I take arimidex. What ever works for you or
what ever you can get. Good luck.

Ufa...did you see my level at 41...that was taking 1mg every day with the 300 test...off 17 days b4 the blood work...you think that my estro could have rebounded up as well as my test going down to 550?
cuz a few days this last week i took 2mg..think that's a bad idea or what?

[scott2393]

Food for thought - a Dr. I am familiar with, Eugene Shippen, is doing some good research into this and he feels that anything over 30 is too high and as others have said, yeah 20 is better, and also the test:estradiol ratio is important, and it should be like 20:1 or something. Slips my mind at the moment. He has a book out, "The Testosterone Syndrome" and it's more geared towards older guys who may feel they don't have the lead in their pencil they used to, but I think it is interesting for most anyone. He's really into zinc and soy (not sure I agree with him on the soy) and vit C to prevent aromatization. Also he's using testosterone pellets that are implanted in the buttocks. Now this is to get test levels from normal low to normal high, not to anabolic/athletic levels. Apparently this method cuts down on side effects because of the gradual release of test, and also it seems that less of the test aromatizes when compared to injecting it. Can't add my 2 cents on the dex because that's a bit out of my budget right now. Spent all my pharmaceutical budget elsewhere. But I've always heard good things about arimidex.

[zaggahamma]

Food for thought - a Dr. I am familiar with, Eugene Shippen, is doing some good research into this and he feels that anything over 30 is too high and as others have said, yeah 20 is better, and also the test:estradiol ratio is important, and it should be like 20:1 or something. Slips my mind at the moment. He has a book out, "The Testosterone Syndrome" and it's more geared towards older guys who may feel they don't have the lead in their pencil they used to, but I think it is interesting for most anyone. He's really into zinc and soy (not sure I agree with him on the soy) and vit C to prevent aromatization. Also he's using testosterone pellets that are implanted in the buttocks. Now this is to get test levels from normal low to normal high, not to anabolic/athletic levels. Apparently this method cuts down on side effects because of the gradual release of test, and also it seems that less of the test aromatizes when compared to injecting it. Can't add my 2 cents on the dex because that's a bit out of my budget right now. Spent all my pharmaceutical budget elsewhere. But I've always heard good things about arimidex.

yeh, i got to finish that book...thanks for chiming in and welcome to AR scott